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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:14 pm

Kingfisher doubles agent payout to 10%. Link:
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The fare war in the domestic skies is rapidly turning into a full-fledged battle for the flying Indian, with airlines trying every trick in the book to grab passengers. Jet Airways and Air-Sahara cut fares last week.

Kingfisher Airlines, the newest entrant in the Indian domestic airline scene, has responded by doubling commissions offered to travel agents. The travel trade is a major channel for ticket sales for the full service airlines and the Vijay Mallya-promoted airline has hiked commissions to an unprecedented 10%.

Kingfisher fares remain unchanged and the airline hopes to push sales through enhanced commissions. About 60% of its tickets are sold by travel agents, with the remaining being sold through direct channels including the net.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:47 pm

Once a business man, alwas a business----smart of him to think from the other side.

Also i hear he is gonna implement a Business class on the "owned" 320s that will be delivered to him probably within 5 months time.

Also they have relesed their FFP known as King Club.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:52 pm

I have heard news circulating that Indian airlines will be allowed to fly overseas after completion of one year of operstions. This has been reported in the print edition of the Times of India, BLR edition. This is good news for DN, IT and 0S. DN has been flying for over two years now. IT and 0S will be completing one year in April/May 2006.

Opening up of competition in international flights out of India will result in a wider choice for passengers at a reasonable fare. This is a step in the right direction. There were no such limits for foreign airlines flying into India. It made no sense at all restricting Indian airlines from flying abroad.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:25 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 2):
news circulating that Indian airlines will be allowed to fly overseas after completion of one year of operstions. This has been reported in the print edition of the Times of India, BLR edition. This is good news for DN, IT and 0S. DN has been flying for over two years now. IT and 0S will be completing one year in April/May 2006.

Opening up of competition in international flights out of India will result in a wider choice for passengers at a reasonable fare. This is a step in the right direction. There were no such limits for foreign airlines flying into India. It made no sense at all restricting Indian airlines from flying abroad.

Agreed this is indeed a step in the right direction, why should'nt our DN be allowed to compete with the likes of JetStar on the BLR-SIN route.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:34 pm

That is because the government wants to increase competition on the international sectors - however given that NG paid the amount of money he did for S2 I guess he intentended to build up an international network before the others could start. I'm sure 'friendly' phone calls will be made to Sharad Pawar and PeePee - because this can get very political. The decision will be stalled for some time, and even if carriers get the go-ahead, there are no aircraft to start with unless carriers start taking leases on old 767's. So Jet with the A333's they'll get this year might still have the upper hand.
On another note, the evil commies are smarting real bad after their airport defeat.
And has anyone found out where the fifth 777 is coming from?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:48 pm

And another strange aspect to the doubling of agents commissions. KF is actually finding it difficult to get high-yield passengers - especially now with 9W and IC drastically cutting fares as the summer low season is about to start. I wonder how the other LCC's will cope through this summer. And the biggest beneficiary of the agent commission increase will be makemytrip which sells over a quarter of KF's tickets.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
The decision will be stalled for some time, and even if carriers get the go-ahead, there are no aircraft to start with unless carriers start taking leases on old 767's. So Jet with the A333's they'll get this year might still have the upper hand.

I am sure VM will be able to match Naresh wing to wing on phone calls that made to the minister, lets not forget that VM is Rajya Sabha MP.

As far as aircraft availability is concerned, yes that will definitly be a problem, but lets not forget that 320s/738s can easily make SIN/BKK/KUL easily---also Middle eastern routes[but for now they are reserved for AI/IC].

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
And has anyone found out where the fifth 777 is coming from?

ALFACO a Kuwait Leasing firm----which has probably bought it from SQ.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:14 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
As far as aircraft availability is concerned, yes that will definitly be a problem, but lets not forget that 320s/738s can easily make SIN/BKK/KUL easily---also Middle eastern routes[but for now they are reserved for AI/IC].

Yes, but then the 738's that are flying the SE Asia routes right now have low-yield passengers as compared to what MH,TG and SQ get on bigger planes - and also minimal cargo yields. Just because you get to fly abroad doesn't mean you start minting moolah!

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
I am sure VM will be able to match Naresh wing to wing on phone calls that made to the minister, lets not forget that VM is Rajya Sabha MP.

I don't think so, anyway I guess the ministry is just making these noises right now, I doubt it will go thru.


I knew the plane was coming from ALFACO but I wanted to know where they got it from. I don't think SQ is withdrawing 777's as yet - they're just withdrawing 744's as far as I know. ALFACO owns one 777 that is in service with MH (and half of another) but MH isn't cutting back services either (plus their 777's are RR powered, that way SQ's are PW powered). I was just curious as to where the plane is coming from, since even the usual suspects (UA and RG) don't have spares around.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Kingfisher doubles agent payout to 10%.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 1):
Once a business man, alwas a business----smart of him to think from the other side.

Smart, my foot. He's driving in another nail into his own coffin.

1. Yields in India are not high enough to sustain operations at his kind cost.
2. 9W, IC and the others are not going to sit still and let him eat the cake. Besides they are bigger with better market coverage and infrastructure than KFA and also enjoy some economies of scale which KFA does not.
3. ATF prices are still abominably high in India for any domestic airline to be breaking even.
4. To top these his 320s have weight penalties of a couple of tonnes due to the IFE systems on board
5. And now doubling commissions to travel agents.

You dont make money either in the short or in the long term by having so many cost cards loaded against you. Its a battle of attrition to see whether VM produces beer faster or his airplanes drink fuel faster. Its amazing that nobody.. least of all these so called smart businessmen even consider the old adage: Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. And here he is playing Russian roulette with the Airline business.

The pity is that the common man gets carried away by VM and his showmanship. Its like, if Vijay Mallya - worlds 2nd largest liquor baron - is doing it, it must be right. Well no. And he'll bite the dust in half the time that the other showman did with Sahara.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 8):
You dont make money either in the short or in the long term by having so many cost cards loaded against you. Its a battle of attrition to see whether VM produces beer faster or his airplanes drink fuel faster. Its amazing that nobody.. least of all these so called smart businessmen even consider the old adage: Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. And here he is playing Russian roulette with the Airline business.

You see, VM in beer also is dubious - the man claims only 1.5% profit margins (great for airlines mind you) on BEER! That is one-tenth the global norm and evn if you say the die are against you in India (taxes, distribution, low consumption) if you boast that you're the world's #2 booze maker, scale itself should mean at least 6-8% profit margins.
But then you see his lifestyle and wonder, hmmmm, where does all that money come from. Which is why when you talk to a stock-broker or analyst in Bombay about UB they laugh. Loudly. People have to be mad to invest in that company.
I think the doubling agent commissions is a sign of desperation. 9W has just improved scale and is pouring in money essentially to see off Kingfisher, keep in mind, Naresh Goyal wasn't born yesterday and there is a lot to be said about quiet, low-profile businessmen. I've got a funny feeling that it was Naresh Goyal who talked Captain Gopinath out of the so-called anti-Jet alliance (even though Gopinath and Goyal had their issues once upon a time).
Yeah, having a TV isn't bad, but for a 90 minute flight, its overkill (on a transcopn US flight its great). And the airline that VM modelled Kingfisher on, JetBlue has recently declared its latest results and they made a loss, and VM has a crazier fleet plan than anyone else in India. Also instead of getting the minister's ear for international flights, IC wants more than the Rs 120 crore that KF paid them last year, lots more and if KF suddenly have to set up their own tech centre in India, things can get real bad, real quick.

What I think will happen. In five-six months before the bottom starts falling out of the market - Jet would have started getting their new Airbus A330-300's and would have bolstered their domestic opns with the new 737's, Kingfisher will go public. VM will sell off a large part of his stake in the offering at a Kingfisher that was fantastically valued, thus pulling his own money out of the airline and leaving the public (either directly or via MF's) to sink.

Either that, or someone will get smart real soon.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:35 am

Was going thru this link which was posted out here.Quite Interesting news Articles.
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Any idea whose the Editor.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):

which article are you referring to.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
What I think will happen. In five-six months before the bottom starts falling out of the market - Jet would have started getting their new Airbus A330-300's and would have bolstered their domestic opns with the new 737's, Kingfisher will go public. VM will sell off a large part of his stake in the offering at a Kingfisher that was fantastically valued, thus pulling his own money out of the airline and leaving the public (either directly or via MF's) to sink.

I worry more about Indian airlines as their net profit margin is about 1%. Between the price/commission wars, I expect them to start losing money which in turn will affect their IPO valuation.
The 10% commission is not a bad idea if your load factor is very low which I do not think is the case for Kingfisher. I remember reading that on certain routes they have a 90% load factor. Given that 60% of their sales are through agents, their operating margins will decrease by about 3%.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:01 am

British Airways offers return tickets to London @ Rs 14,500. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1403051.cms

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British Airways on Monday announced offering return tickets from Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai to London at Rs 14,500, with option to travel to other European destination for Rs 3,000 more. A British Airway World traveller (economy class) return ticket from Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai to London will now cost Rs 14,500 (plus applicable taxes), the airline said in a statement.

By paying an additional amount of Rs 3,000 plus taxes, passengers can also extend their journey to any destination in the UK, Munich or Frankfurt. Passengers can also travel to any online destination in the US for Rs 35,000 (plus taxes).

To avail of this offer, British Airways passengers must commence their journey before May 31, 2006 and complete their ticketing procedure before February 28, 2006.

From now till March 31, passengers can avail of discounts in FIRST cabin, Club World and World Traveller Plus to London. Passengers travelling from Chennai to UK/Europe/USA/Canada in the FIRST cabin can get up to 50 per cent off on the current fares. To avail this offer, passengers return travel must be to Chennai and all travel procedure completed before March 25.

Passengers can also avail of a special fare package on their tavel from Bangalore to UK/Europe/USA/Canada. A 30 per cent off on current published fares is being offered on return travel to Bangalore, the release said.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:05 am

Anil Ambani to acquire DTDC Courier? Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/others/reliance-dtdc.asp

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Recent media reports have indicated that the Anil Ambani-owned Reliance Capital is planning to acquire 44% stake in DTDC Courier and Cargo. Quoting agency reports, DNA and Financial Express reported that the privately-held DTDC is up for sale, following a disagreement between the two brothers who jointly own the company now.

DTDC is owned by Subhashish and Debashish Chakraborty, who own 56% and 44% stakes respectively. The reports suggested that the stake would change hands by the end of January, but that has not happened yet. The bulk of DTDC's revenues are generated by its franchisees across the country. Its last annual revenues stood at Rs 125 crore, with a net profit of Rs 8.6 crore, reports said.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 14):
Recent media reports have indicated that the Anil Ambani-owned Reliance Capital is planning to acquire 44% stake in DTDC Courier and Cargo

What does DTDC use to ship their cargo? Will this see Ambanis entering into Cargo business. Smart move I'd say considering they have interests in Core industry.
What are GoI's regulations regarding private cargo operators? Will it allow them to fly international? Was wondering why no new player in that segment. I'm sure it must be attractive.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
And has anyone found out where the fifth 777 is coming from?

ALFACO a Kuwait Leasing firm----which has probably bought it from SQ.



Quoting Cricket (Reply 7):
knew the plane was coming from ALFACO but I wanted to know where they got it from. I don't think SQ is withdrawing 777's as yet - they're just withdrawing 744's as far as I know. ALFACO owns one 777 that is in service with MH (and half of another) but MH isn't cutting back services either (plus their 777's are RR powered, that way SQ's are PW powered). I was just curious as to where the plane is coming from, since even the usual suspects (UA and RG) don't have spares around.

OK Cricket finally some information on this------THERE IS NO 5TH 777,

i recieved an email from someone named Sanjay[Thx btw] who said that the ALFACO 777 is VT-AIK already flying since Dec,2004.
Check out their aircraft fleet and you will realise that they purchased the 772 from the American market.for 75 mil USD.

So no additional T7, here is the link.

http://www.alafco-kw.com/tabid/84/Default.aspx
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:21 am

HC won't stay airport work, but will speed up hearing. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1403535.cms

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The Delhi High Court has put the litigation over modernisation of Delhi and Mumbai airports on ‘fast track’ and declined any interim stay. Noting that the project was of national importance, a division bench comprising Justices TS Thakur and Sanjeev Khanna on Monday said that time-consuming procedures would be relaxed for a quick decision on the petition filed by Reliance Airports Developers, an Anil Ambani Group company, seeking cancellation of the decision to select GMR-Fraport and GVK-South African Airports as private sector partners for Delhi and Mumbai airports, respectively.

The court has given time till Wednesday for the respondents — the government, GMR and GVK — to file their written submission in response to the Reliance petition. To respond to these submissions, Reliance has been given time till Saturday — the deadline for all written submissions, replies, affidavits and counter-affidavits.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:31 am

Interesting comparison of aviation markets in India, China, and USA. Link:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1618918,00120002.htm

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At the time of Independence, there were around 450 airports in the country, many of them dirt tracks, but operational. Air transport had the potential to become mass transport. But the sector was shackled by nationalisation. Consequently, air transport became synonymous with the elite and the privileged, while the masses were advised to either minimise travel, or risk their lives and limbs during each journey in overcrowded and dilapidated vehicles and trains. So, today, in a country of over one billion, barely 40 million passengers can afford to take to the skies. This is, of course, a big improvement on the 10 million who could afford this luxury 12 years ago, when private airlines were first permitted to fly again within India.

While the entry of competing private airlines has opened the Indian skies for many people, the public sector monopoly of Airports Authority of India (AAI) — which operates airports and regulates the Indian sky — has remained. The Left claims that AAI is a profit-making public sector. But it ignores the fact that these profits come because of its monopoly status, and consequent ability to squeeze airlines and the paying public for every paisa, without any particular commitment to service. In this country, only 60 odd airports are operated for commerce today.

Civil aviation in India can fly to much greater heights, if only the deadweight of restrictive policies and AAI control is removed. Compare India with the world. Barely 4 per cent of all Indians would have flown last year, even if we make the unlikely assumption that each flier took only one flight each.

In the US, over 700 million passengers took to the skies in 2004. This is two-and-a-half times its entire population. This is made possible by a network of airports that maps population density. For instance, in the state of New York alone, there are 19 primary commercial airports, over 90 operational airports and a total of about 150 airports — all this to service a population of less than 20 million.

If New York is too far away, consider China. Around 120 million Chinese flew in 2004. The country has 197 airports, of which 132 are commercially available. Forty-eight airports, including 25 trunk line airports and 23 regional and tourism airports, were built or renovated in the last five years. The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has in recent years turned 93 airports over to local governments. It has allowed investment, including foreign investment, worth over US $ 10 billion in the development of airports. It is estimated that by 2020, the size of civil aviation in China will be second only to that of the US, rising from its present fifth rank.

In contrast, since opening the Indian skies to private Indian airlines, it took us eight years to start the construction of the new Bangalore airport. Five years were taken to approve the plan to allow private sector participation in the modernisation of Delhi and Bombay airports, expected to be completed by 2010. With only the Kochi airport operational under private management, and Hyderabad airport being built with private participation, it is legitimate to ask, can Indians really take to the sky?

Aircraft could be used for mass transport with a few basic policy changes. One, complete deregulation of airlines, airports and services like air traffic control, so that there is open competition among the various service providers. Two, allowing local and state governments to operationalise the hundreds of dormant airports that dot the country. Three, reforming the land laws in the states, so that private investors can freely decide whether to set up large or small airports, say within or surrounding the NCR, or create a new regional hub.

Investors would then be able to decide on the size of their airports, attract airlines operators who could then decide on the size of their aircraft and fleet, depending on whether there is a demand for a national, regional, sub-regional or local traffic.

In such a deregulated and competitive environment, passengers could no longer be held hostage by any airline or airport. Consumers would be empowered with much greater choices in terms of services and price. Finally, such bottom-up reforms would allow the spread of manpower skills, from management to pilots and ATCs. Competition in all spheres of air transport would make flying within reach of the masses. There would be no reason for the Delhi to Thiruvananthapuram air fare to be as expensive as that of Delhi to London.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:35 am

Qatar Airways to launch services from Nagpur. Link:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/sho...details.asp?id=242093&cat=Business

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Qatar Airways will soon launch regular flights to link Maharashtra's Nagpur and Qatar capital Doha, a top official of the airline said Monday. "We see a lot of traffic in this untapped sector and with just a few airlines serving in this region, this industrial belt has a lot of potential," said Akbar Al Bakar, the chief executive officer of the airline. Qatar Airways will offer three flights every week with about 340 seats each.

"Nagpur is underserved both domestically and internationally by air carriers," Bakar said. "But this extremely resource-rich region of Maharashtra offers tremendous opportunities as it is one of India's largest containers hubs." The city is currently connected by low cost domestic airlines Air Deccan and GoAir.

Nagpur will be the sixth gateway in India for Qatar Airways, which currently operates 30 flights every week from five Indian cities. "We are looking forward to permission for operating from at least 11 cities in the country," Bakar said.

The Indian government has recently started promoting the Maharashtra city. Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel has recommended US aircraft major Boeing to set up in Nagpur its maintenance and service hub for which the company has committed $100 million. The government, too, is setting up a new pilot training institute at Gondia near the city.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:39 am

British Airways offers package on London-India routes. Link:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/sho...42102&n_date=20060207&cat=Business

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In an announcement that could further boost overseas travel, British Airways Monday offered an unprecedented fare package between cities in India and London. A British Airways world traveller (economy class) two-way ticket from Chennai, Mumbai and New Delhi to London will now cost only Rs. 14,500 (plus applicable taxes). This is the most competitive economy fare being offered on the direct India-London route, a press release of the airlines said here.

By paying an additional amount of Rs. 3,000 (plus taxes), Indian passengers can also extend their journey to any destination in Britain, or Munich or Frankfurt in Germany. Passengers can also travel to any online destination in the US for Rs. 35,000 (plus taxes). To avail this offer, British Airways passengers must commence their journey before May 31, 2006 and must complete the ticketing procedure before Feb 28, 2006.

"At Rs. 14,500 inclusive of the return fare, we are now offering the world renowned British Airways premium quality experience at a price that is perhaps the most competitive in India", said British Airways commercial manager in India, Alok Sawhney. "Our intention is to provide maximum flexibility to our passengers and to offer as many options as possible to fly direct to London to the discerning Indian traveller."

From now till March 31, passengers can also avail discounts in First, Club World and World Traveller Plus to London. "India is a very exciting market for British Airways. We have seen a lot of growth in the aviation sector and have always maintained that there is a huge potential in this country", Sawhney added.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:19 am

Air One to start Mumbai-Kolkata flights. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/launch/airone-bangalore.asp

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Air One, a Bangalore-based airline will start its operations with a direct flight to Kolkata from Mumbai. The operations are likely to start by next month. The airline may also operate between Pune and Mumbai. Air One will be using 50-seater Embraer ERJ-145 jets and will have an all-economy seating. In the beginning, tickets will be available only on the Internet.

Air One has booked slots at the Pune Airport. The flight timings are not known yet. The airline will operate the two plus one variant of the Embraer Jet on the Pune route. Air One fleet now has one aircraft, but plans to increase it to five soon.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:57 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 21):
Air One will be using 50-seater Embraer ERJ-145 jets and will have an all-economy seating. In the beginning, tickets will be available only on the Internet.

What happened to their B737 plans.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:05 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 21):
Air One, a Bangalore-based airline will start its operations with a direct flight to Kolkata from Mumbai. The operations are likely to start by next month. The airline may also operate between Pune and Mumbai. Air One will be using 50-seater Embraer ERJ-145 jets and will have an all-economy seating. In the beginning, tickets will be available only on the Internet.

So I take it that they'll overnight in CCU? But isn't a E145 too small a plane for this sector - CASM on such a plane is far higher than on a 737NG or A32X and yields that are already low (even for large carriers) would be negative for a new player.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
OK Cricket finally some information on this------THERE IS NO 5TH 777,

i recieved an email from someone named Sanjay[Thx btw] who said that the ALFACO 777 is VT-AIK already flying since Dec,2004.
Check out their aircraft fleet and you will realise that they purchased the 772 from the American market.for 75 mil USD.

Hmmm, this is what I got from their website (below), this essentially states that AIK which came onboard sometime late last year is going to be with AI for five years, $75mill for a six year olf 777-200ER ain't a terribly bad price if you ask me (can we use the 'rustbucket' word here?  Silly). Shucks so we'll have to wait til' Feb 07 for #5.
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Kuwait, 28 January 2006 : The Chairman and CEO of ALAFCO, Aviation Lease And Finance Company, Ahmad Abdullah Alzabin stated that the company leased Air India a Boeing B777-200 by virtue of a five-year contract lately signed by the two parties to increase the dealing volume between them to five leased aircraft of both Boeing and Airbus main types.
Alzabin pointed out, in a press release, that the aircraft was purchased by ALAFCO from the American market at the amount of US Dollars 75 million and it is deemed an important qualitative addition to the company’s fleet of 12 aircraft; it is also the second aircraft of this important type it owns while the Malaysian Airlines leases the other aircraft.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 19):
"Nagpur is underserved both domestically and internationally by air carriers," Bakar said. "But this extremely resource-rich region of Maharashtra offers tremendous opportunities as it is one of India's largest containers hubs." The city is currently connected by low cost domestic airlines Air Deccan and GoAir.

And what about IC, 9W and Alliance Air who have been operating to Nagpur for quite some time now....??
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:08 am

IC seems to have received offers of A310 and A330 aircraft for dry lease.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...02/08/stories/2006020802850900.htm
Worlds Only Reputable Airline Air India! Some Of The Least: BA, Jet (9w), Kingfisher!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:14 am

 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:35 am

Spicejet on its way! BFI-YQX right now (early hours zulu of 8 Feb). VT-SPF in full c/s with winglets.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:51 am

Following on from my post above, it's using VTSPF as callsign and here's the blurb about it on Boeing's site :

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q1/060207c_nr.html

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:36 pm

Air India Express to launch domestic service

AIX intends to start full scale domestic air services by next year.

AI X Domestic Services

Quotes from Business Standard:

With Air-India (A-I) planning to launch its full-fledged domestic operations by next year, the battle over the Indian skies is all set to be intensified.

While Thulasidas was reluctant to specify the timeframe for the launch, industry sources said the delivery of aircraft would be completed by mid-next year and, hence, its domestic service would start by that time.

A-I’s domestic operations would mean a direct competition to the Jet Airways-Air Sahara combine, national carrier Indian Airlines (IA) and Kingfisher Airlines.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:44 pm

AI Express may commence international service from Mangalore

AI Express intends to start service on Mangalore-Sharjah sector if the immigration and customs services are set up at Mangalore by then. Mangalore airport has a new runway too.

For details:http://www.aviationinfo.co.in/
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Air India Express may operate a direct flight to Sharjah from Mangalore by May 7, provided the required facilities such as Customs and immigration counters are ready at the airport by that time. There is also a possibility of Air India Express operating a flight on Thiruvananthapuram-Mangalore-Sharjah route from May second week, if these and other required facilities are in place at the airport.

A seven-member team of Air India visited the Mangalore airport for a preliminary inspection. Operation of flights to international destinations, especially to West Asian countries, is one of the major demands of Mangaloreans working in those countries and the trade industry bodies here. Their demand is for a direct flight from Mangalore to West Asian countries, which will bring down the cost and time of travel.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:17 pm

Quoting Airish (Reply 25):
IC seems to have received offers of A310 and A330 aircraft for dry lease

5 A330s are excellent ---where are they coming from
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 27):
VT-SPF in full c/s with winglets.

Great news.Delayed by a Forthnight.Now its 7.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:48 pm

An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:42 pm

Sweeeeeet..... Now just the wait for AIX's first wingletted craft. Is 9W expanding its winglet installations across their owned 738 (85R) fleet?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:45 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
"At Rs. 14,500 inclusive of the return fare, we are now offering the world renowned British Airways premium quality experience at a price that is perhaps the most competitive in India",

BA has also released a circular into the market offering 10% discount on all published IATA fares. This means that you can get a BA ticket for a net net fare of INR 12400 exclusive of taxes in Economy class. Fyki the BA deal came on the heels of a LH offer of INR14500 to Europe and INR 31500. These fares are all commissionable at 5% and has other reducibles like productivity linked bonuses, interlining (with UA) etc.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:41 am

Coimbatore airport traffic picks up. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/airport/coimbatore-boom.asp

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The textile industry and engineering manufacturing sector in the city is giving a momentum to Coimbatore’s civil aviation arena. The recent traffic growth at the airport here is also attributed to the expansion efforts taken by the Airports Authority of India (AAI).

The statistics of passenger and aircraft movement at the Coimbatore airport reveal the increasing volume of traffic. The monthly aircraft movement through the airport is now 1028. The peak passenger traffic at the airport in December 2005 is 62,275.

The new facilities at the airport have attracted new operators, including low-cost airlines. The new operators include Air Sahara, Air Deccan, Paramount Airways and GoAir. The services of the low-budget airlines is expeted to trigger a passenger volume boom. Coimbatore's vibrant economy is also reflecting on the city's aviation sector. Business travellers to the neighbouring export zones such as Tirupur and Karur also use the Coimbatore airport.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:48 am

Lufthansa flights from Nov to Kolkatta likely. Link:
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.new...clid=22&theme=&usrsess=1&id=105852


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Lufthansa, the German airline, may operate a Kolkata-Frankfurt flight from this November onwards. The chief minister said Lufthansa officials have shown interest in starting services from Kolkata. Mr Werner Heesen, general manager, passenger sales, India and director South Asia, said today: “We met the CM and chief secretary today and will meet the business community, chambers of commerce and state industry and commerce minister before initiating the flight from the city.”

He said they were conducting in-house surveys about traffic and the number of passengers from the city and whether business would be viable.
The airline might start operating flights in November 2006 but it would depend on the availability of flights, he added.

But he declined to comment on NSC Bose Airport virtually collapsing during the strike. However, he said modernisation of Mumbai and Delhi airports was long overdue. “We are happy that the modernisation process has started in these airports,” he added
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:50 am

Lufthansa's new Hyderabad flights. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/launch/lufthansa-india.asp

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Germany's Lufthansa announced that it is planning to start new services to Hyderabad this year. There will be four new flights from Hyderabad, India every week.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:21 am

Indian Airlines may fly to new overseas destinations. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/launch/indian-overseas.asp

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State-owned airline Indian, formerly Indian Airlines, is to commence services to Europe and Australia and is in the process of leasing seven wide-bodied medium capacity aircraft. The airline is yet to commence services, owing to a shortage of aircraft, even as it got clearance to fly on these sectors in December 2004. The airline has now got proposals for leasing five wide-bodied Airbus A330 and two Airbus 310s aircraft and is in the process of finalising the deal. The company is expected to evaluate the proposals furnished by the leasing companies in the next two-week period, before finalising the deal.

Indian expects to operate flights to Europe and Australia by early June. The airline was planning to dry-lease upto 12 wide body aircraft for period ranging between five to seven years. The government has designated IA to operate flights to Australia and the US. Besides, the airline has received permission to commence operations to UK.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:16 am

Interesting article in the Hindu today about the interiors for the new Air India planes. Does AI plan on having a premium economy section for the 773ER/772LR/787?

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...02/09/stories/2006020902380700.htm
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:03 pm

Does anybody know, where IC is leasing the A330s and A310s from?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:11 pm

Airport Revamp on New Course

Link:
Airport
Revamp


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In the case of other 35 airports on the modernisation list, the government will follow a public-private partnership (PPP) model.

�These airports have to be modernised. The SPV model seems to be one that suits us the best. The government had even considered this model for Delhi and Mumbai airports at various stages,� said a senior civil aviation ministry official.

This move comes at a time when the government is under pressure to drop Kolkata and Chennai from the list of airports to be privatised. Kolkata and Chennai are part of the long list of airports � which includes 35 non-metro airports � that the government plans to modernise in phases.

As per the model under consideration, foreign airport companies, domestic companies and financial institutions will be allowed to be a part of the SPV. These companies will have an equity stake in the SPV.

However, the government is yet to fix the equity stake the private and foreign companies can have in the SPV.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:34 pm

Anyone having the Newslink of last forthnight about the IC Mx staff accidently trigerring the Highjack Distress button.
I'm struggling to convince the Mods that a Highjack Alert button exists on IC Aircraft.This is in addition to the Transponer code manually being set to 7500.
Somehow the mod in question thinks Im joking.

This button activation erronously has occured a few times in the past.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:35 pm

IC leasing A310's - I mean even AI doesn't want to lease any more of those old tubbies anymore. And what version A330's are these? Are they the early model A330-300's - those would find India-Europe a stretch - a big stretch. All we know is that some bureaucrat has said that someone has answered their tender - thats it. That said, I guess a A330 will look decent in the new livery.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:37 am

Airline unions to come under one banner. I hope ATC employees are not allowed to join. Link:
http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/s...iationpolicy&whichstory=n&id=29662

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Nearly 20 unions representing employees in state owned airlines are coming together to form one group to take on the government. "All the employee unions of the Indian civil aviation industry will come under one common umbrella," said Nitin Jadhav, Joint General Secretary, AAI.

The new group is also asking employees of private airlines to join the gang and first off the block are employees of Jet owned Air Sahara. They have formed their own union and are seeking the Left Front's help to keep their benefits. "Employees of private airlines face similar problems when one airline buys out other. We are supporting the Air Sahara employees group and will make sure that Jet Airways does not throw them out," added Jadhav.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:16 am

VT-SPF should be arriving at VIDP shortly, if it hasn't already done so.

Another Indian on delivery is Sahara's VT-SJG (as N164LF), with left Boeing Field a couple of hours ago heading for Keflavik.

N164LF

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:02 am

Just read in Indian Express(North American edition) that CO is offering EWR-DEL non-stop for $769, and so is AA for ORD-DEL. Furthermore, AA has offers to DEL from various other cities at rates ranging from $769 to $920.

The article points out that there has been a 50% increase in capacity on US-India sector and downward pressure on prices will continue. It will be interesting to see how much lower the peak season pricing this summer will be.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 47):

I once did a mock search and found CO's YYZ-EWR-DEL cheaper than AC's YYZ-ZRH-DEL  Confused There was no mention of AA's ORD-DEL
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:09 am

4 new low-cost airlines waiting in the wings. Link:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/feb102006/index2018200629.asp

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Bangalore-based Air One, feeder carrier Jagson Airlines, Chennai’s Premier Air and East West Airlines will cruise into the domestic skies to compete with other existing players.

Air One, consisting of former employees of Indian (formerly Indian Airlines), will be the first carrier to take off. The launch flight will be between Bangalore and Delhi after which the third Bangalore airline company (following Air Deccan and Kingfisher Airlines) will spread its wings to Mumbai and prominent cities in south India.


Air One boss K W Lobo wanted to launch the airline in February but it has been postponed for a while. “We will start in any case before March 17,” the airline’s managing director told Deccan Herald. The budget carrier with low frills will operate initially with two ERJ-145 and plans to increase the fleet to five of the same make within a year. The former Indian employees and a group of businessmen from South India will hold a 74 per cent stake while the rest will be held by the promoters.

East West, which had withdrawn from the Indian skies under a cloud in mid-1990s, is eager to join the sky war. Its director Faisal Wahid, told this newspaper from Mumbai: “We will launch within three months with five leased Boeing aircraft. We will service Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Delhi and Nagpur. Our engineering base will be either in Hyderabad or Bangalore. Later on we will operate to Category II and III (smaller) airports. Basically we will operate to all airports we were flying to earlier.” According to Mr Wahid, the all-economy flights will serve food.

Feeder airline Jagson said it would launch its low-frills service in May with an initial investment of Rs 250 crore and by acquiring 19 Airbus aircraft. The company, which has been flying from Delhi to hill resort destinations in Himachal Pradesh and to Rajasthan, has appointed Uttam Kumar Bose, who earlier headed Air Sahara, as its president and CEO. Delhi-Bangalore will be the launch sector for this airline too. Jagson plans to lease six Airbus aircraft and connect Delhi, Bangalore, Mumbai, Goa, Kolkata, Jaipur, Guwahati, Patna and Dibrugarh. Jagson now operates three 18-seater planes and two helicopters.

Meanwhile, Chennai-based construction and real estate development company Premier is all set to launch a new private domestic airline between April and June this year. The no-frills airline, floated by US-based NRIs, will start operations with five leased Airbus A320s connecting all metros from Chennai and later link south Indian cities. Premier will be the second LCC to start from Tamil Nadu — all-business class Paramount Airways was the first to hit the skies in October, 2005.