ramerinianair
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Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:22 am

I am traveling to Europe for pleasure this summer. I have some pretty cool routings within Europe. I will be on almost all the European SkyTeam carriers this summer and I wanted to know if any of them will allow me to ride in the cockpit jumpseat?
I know DL, CO, and NW won't but, will KL, AF, AZ or OK let me in?
Thanks!
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:31 am

I very much doubt it, I know at my airline you need to be flying staff or fit certain other criteria to be able to do it.

My advice would be to take a flying lesson then you will get to go in the flight deck - of a smaller plane mind!  Wink
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:48 am

Yes they are still allowed however if you don't know anyone the most you can hope for is a cockpit visit. Different airlines though, have different policies. Your best bet is with the smaller regional carriers. In fact, a lot of times they don't even close the cockpit door so if you're sitting in 1st row it's almost like riding jumpseat  Smile
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
Yes they are still allowed however if you don't know anyone the most you can hope for is a cockpit visit.

Actually in most contries they are no longer permitted except in a very limited set of circumstances, which would never allow passengers onto the flightdeck.

In the UK the rule is basically company employees on duty travel only, plus CAA staff in the course of their duties. Passengers, off duty company employees and employees of other airlines on duty travel are no longer allowed flightdeck access.

Regards
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:09 am

Not like this helps you in your Europe case, but I've never had a problem flying jumpseat on AeroMexico...those senor's in the cockpit have always been welcoming and enjoyed having some company up there for a change. So, if you're going down to Mexico, or just really want a jumpseat ride, book a trip with them.

Hint, bring some cigarettes...you'd be amazed, most every Mexican pilot I know smokes in the cockpit...technically it's allowed by their laws, so it's not uncommon for the Capt and FO to kill a pack on a 4 hr trip.

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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:31 am

My experience is - presuming the country's law allowed non-pilot/outsider visits to the flight deck - first you need airline contacts (the best contacts are connected to operations/management or even pilots/captains can do) and secondly the captain on the flight like getting visits to the flight deck (the captain has the final word on all visits). There are a couple more things you can do, but they are business secrets.  Wink

The result can be like this:
http://www.plane-spotter.com/Jpegs/OSL-TRD-OSL/SK4152/15-32-40.jpg

The full report from the flight can be seen here

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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:33 am

at captain's discretion, but still common on AF network, just a friendly ask at the chief purser should make it ; just introduce yourself as an aviation enthusiast.
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:35 am

"Ningun Problema" in Ecuador!



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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:35 am

Air France allows it, I've been invited several times.

Swiss as well, but that's not SkyTeam.

Lufthansa does not allow it, but not SkyTeam either.

Others I don't know/haven't tried.

Good luck!
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europ

Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:41 am

KL doesn't allow it.

AF allows it.

Have fun with your trip

[Edited 2006-02-06 22:41:43]
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
"Ningun Problema" in Ecuador!
Soren   

Hmm, itnresting, was that TAME F28 or Icaro? You still around here Soren?

And yeah, iNE urope Ive jumpseated two times in LH A340-300 on ym way to CCS. And in Ecuador, ive lost count.
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting Avro85 (Reply 9):
KL doesn't allow it.

Unless you are on a CityHopper flight.
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
AeroMexico...those senor's in the cockpit have always been welcoming and enjoyed having some company up there for a change. So, if you're going down to Mexico, or just really want a jumpseat ride, book a trip with them.

Needless to say, I was turned down for an in-flight cockpit visit when I flew AM on a Mexican domestic flight about a year and a half ago...

Anyone know if LOT or OS allows it?

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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting Avro85 (Reply 9):
KL doesn't allow it.

I've jumpseated on KL, after 9/11...... no contacts, no nothing, asked a question and got invited.
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:25 pm

Cool! I doubt that on my AF JFK-CDG flight I will be able to sit in the cock-pit. I want to know if they will let me sit in there for a CDG-ATH, FCO-CDG? How do you go about this? I am a private pilot but, I feel like it would seem akward - especially if you get turned down.
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 12):
OS allows it?

AFAIK you have to know at least a FO or a Captain, with whom you are flying on the flight itself.
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:26 pm

OA will let people occupy the jumpseat but the captain always has the final word.
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:30 pm

Quoting Mozart (Reply 8):
Lufthansa does not allow it, but not SkyTeam either

A colleague of mine just came from LIS to FRA on LH's A300 and was assigned the cockpit jumpseat, along with a BA employee. They were traveling with sby-tickets and the cabin was full to the last seat.

Finnair still allows jumpseat travel in cockpit and cabin, but generally for AY employees only, providing there are no empty passenger seats left in the cabin.
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europ

Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:55 pm

Last year I had a wonderful jump-seat landing in Spain with Spanair MD-80...
Just asking the crew saying that I'm a student of aeronautical engineering...

[Edited 2006-02-07 10:56:11]
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:08 pm

KLM allows it, but it's at captain's discretion. He has cockpit permits wich he
can distribute to anyone he sees fit. Basically that means you have to know
someone from the crew, but who knows on a certain day if you have the
coolest purser and captain working the same flight, you might get lucky!
Just ask it, you've nothing to lose!!
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:52 pm

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 19):
KLM allows it, but it's at captain's discretion. He has cockpit permits wich he
can distribute to anyone he sees fit. Basically that means you have to know
someone from the crew, but who knows on a certain day if you have the
coolest purser and captain working the same flight, you might get lucky!
Just ask it, you've nothing to lose!!

hmm never seen the "cockpit permit"....
But indeed you can always ask. I know some captains will allow you, but you have to be lucky (it`s always gamble for the captain because he is responsible) With KLM it was never a problem for me (dad flying for HV, me on the KLM Flight Academy) You have a bigger chance when you are related to an airline or if you are also in the bussines.

And what exacly do you mean by jumpseat?
Just a few minutes behind the captain during cruise?
For me it only counts from T/O till landing  Wink
 
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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 13):
I've jumpseated on KL, after 9/11...... no contacts, no nothing, asked a question and got invited.

Today I saw some guy on the jumpseat on my KLM flight, I don't know if he was KLM employee or just some passenger who asked.

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RE: Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europ

Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 15):

AFAIK you have to know at least a FO or a Captain, with whom you are flying on the flight itself.

Dang...anyone here at OS want to vouch for me?  Wink (just kidding!)

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