dartland
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Discussion On TPA

Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:14 am

I was wondering about TPA. I've never been there, but keep hearing what a nice airport it is and fairly unique to be in a decently large city with significant O&D traffic but no 1 dominant airline (kinda like BOS, actually, with a lot less attention on A.net!)

Question: What non-hub destinations are served from TPA? What international destinations? Any hope for TPA becoming more of a major airport w/o a dominant airline or is there an airline that will become dominant there in the near future?

Would love to hear peoples thoughts.
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:22 am

I lived in Tampa, FL for 5 years and when I left TPA for New York(2 years ago) they were in the process of making major renovation to the airport. I can especially speak for the Terminal that DL uses and it was supposed to look like a golf course when it was finished. DL already upgraded their facilities there 3 years ago I guess and it was nice and clean. However I too am curious about the progress of the renovations.

Quoting Dartland (Thread starter):
What international destinations?

BA flies their 777 there, but I doubt its daily, I'm thinking more like 4X a week.I'm sure someone will clarify this.

Quoting Dartland (Thread starter):
Any hope for TPA becoming more of a major airport w/o a dominant airline or is there an airline that will become dominant there in the near future?

When I was there DL and SW was pretty dominant actually of course now B6 too, but if I'm not mistaken TPA has more of DL service like a lot of the southeast airports.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:30 am

Im a ramper for B6 in TPA...

I know that the HCAA is planning on adding another runway this year..

WN has about 80 flights daily in and out of TPA... International.. I think DL does some, AA, BA does a TPA-Gatwick 3 or 4x a week.. I've seen LTU a few times... I think its a charter though..

Rumors have it that we'll (b6) be up to about 17 flights daily this year..
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 2):
I think DL does some, AA, BA does a TPA-Gatwick 3 or 4x a week.. I've seen LTU a few times... I think its a charter though..

DL doesn't fly international from TPA for sure. AA could be flying to the caribbean or LatAm but I seriously doubt that too when they have the MIA hub within a short hop of a flight. I know for a fact BA flies there though.
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FLALEFTY
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:10 am

http://www.tampaairport.com/index.asp

Here's TPA's official website that is full of good info.
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:23 am

Delta (Chautauqua) does TPA-NAS (well until its dropped this month). Eagle also does this route on the ATR. Cayman is in Tampa. BAs 777 is daily the time is just varied slightly some days.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:41 am

Westjet and Air Canada both provide TPA with daily services to Canada.

The TPA-LGW flight has an interesting history: In the late-1970s, Laker introduced the service with DC-10s. After their demise, Arrow Air attempted the route using DC-8s. The route went dormant for years until British Airways started it back up (I believe in the late-1990s).
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 1):
BA flies their 777 there, but I doubt its daily, I'm thinking more like 4X a week.I'm sure someone will clarify this.

BA currently operate 5X weekly (Not on Monday or Wednesday) LGW-TPA with a 777.

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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 6):
The route went dormant for years until British Airways started it back up (I believe in the late-1990s).

Somewhere around 1990 it was resumed. Initially, the flight was routed LGW-BDA-TPA using a mix of DC-10 and L1011 aircraft.
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:16 am

International destinations are Nassau, Toronto, San Juan, London, Montreal, Grand Cayman

http://www.tampaairport.com/flights/schedule/feb_dp_city.pdf

complete departure city info for february.

most traffic is hub based, but with so many airlines going there, that covers a great deal of the country, and then there are also some P2P that covers more. Also some focus cities get service, like DL TPA-LAX for instance. TPA and LAX aren't DL hubs, but both are focus cities.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:33 am

Hmmmm, I know BA used to fly the 747 into TPA as well.
I even have a picture of it that I took with my little 110 camera when I was a kid.
AC brought in the L-1011 and 747. Northwest used to bring in DC-10's and the 747. Pan-Am had the L-1011, A-300(310?) and 747 in TPA. Ahhhhh the good ol days.....
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:08 am

The first TPA-London service was TPA-LHR served briefly by National with a DC-10-30, I am thinking 1979-1980 right up to the merger with Pan Am. Not long after the merger Pan Am for several years operated a 747 TPA-IAD-LHR and return. It often had a light passenger and fuel load and I remember fondly watching it depart 36L often being airbourne in 3000-4000 feet and surprising many others watching, ah the memories !

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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:45 am

hey hey guys,

i live here in tampa, well seminole...about half hour west....i love going to TPA its one of the cleanest and best run airport i have ever been to and i get around alot for a 16 year old about 10-12 times a year...anyways BA's 777 lately well like this time last year was served by like mid atlantic charters or something its there 767..but thats during BA's troubled times....I remeber a few years back when southwest just started becoming a larger part of TPA doing 20 30 flights daily, i would always fly to ISP to visit family...the best memory i have of TPA is DL and there 777's about once a week they would fly down to do a TPA-ATL route and the flight would always be empty...now we have air tran and ted united jet blue southwest all sorts...i cant wait for the final plan to go through...new terminals runways all sorts i stoked about it...

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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 11):
The first TPA-London service was TPA-LHR served briefly by National with a DC-10-30, I am thinking 1979-1980 right up to the merger with Pan Am.

IIRC this flight was actually routed TPA-MIA-LHR, plus, it sometimes had that "same flight number, but equipment change enroute" trickery that was popular with major airlines in that day.
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 2):
I know that the HCAA is planning on adding another runway this year..

I know...JEEZ! Why the **** do they need another runway? They use one at half capacity. And they've got a third runway that is usable.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 11):
Not long after the merger Pan Am for several years operated a 747 TPA-IAD-LHR and return. It often had a light passenger and fuel load and I remember fondly watching it depart 36L often being airbourne in 3000-4000 feet and surprising many others watching, ah the memories !

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Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 13):
IIRC this flight was actually routed TPA-MIA-LHR, plus, it sometimes had that "same flight number, but equipment change enroute" trickery that was popular with major airlines in that day.

LGA777, I think he's right. BUT, did National have a TPA-FRA?
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
And they've got a third runway that is usable.

36R and 27 have noise abatement issues. 9 has an obstacle clearance issue (The Hyatt Westshore).
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:59 am

Used to have Condor not too long ago.

I remember flying DL L1011's on the TPA-ATL route. A fun ride for a short trip! probably one of the last routes for the DL L1011s.

Also, if anyone in the area is interested, the Collings Foundation B17 and B25 are in PIE Thursday and Friday.


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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:01 am

TPA is the most spotter friendly airport in the immediate area. MCO has gotten really bad. JAX closed the spotting park. SFB will castrate you if you try to stop and get anything. GNV is dead as far traffic during many times of the days.



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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:21 am

I remember flying DL on an L-1011 Non-stop from DTW to TPA back in the 70's. I also remember flying into the old airport non-stop from DTW on a DC-8 and flying out of the new TPA a week later right after it opened. Was neat. It is a nice airport to get around in. Better the MCO or DTW.
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:56 pm

In there master plan there are plans for a runway parallel to 36L to the west that will be about 11000ft and also an extension of 2000 Ft to runway 18L.
Tampa has one of the most user friendly airports in the world along with Paris Orly airport same design.WN passed DL last year of being the largest operator out of TPA. I DL does the connection flights CHQ to various cities like DAY, PNS, RDU, BHM and COM to GSP just to name a few. TPA will always have good numbers because they can rely on tourists, however MCO remains more attractive with chronic business due to the theme parks. I see TPA staying about where it is for the next few years. They are the 4th largest in terms of passengers in the state, MCO now being the first followed by MIA then FLL. I would like to see TPA become a focus city for an airline besides WN but I don't see it in the near future.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:20 pm

I know DL does: ATL,CVG,JFK,SLC,BOS,BDL,LAX,LGA with mainline and FLL,TLH,PNS,EYW,CMH,RIC,GSP,BHM on connection and maybe a few others that I may have forgot. DL recently heavily cut back on Florida RJ runs though.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 3):
DL doesn't fly international from TPA for sure. AA could be flying to the caribbean or LatAm but I seriously doubt that too when they have the MIA hub within a short hop of a flight. I know for a fact BA flies there though

AA flies non-stop to San Juan from TPA. I'm not sure but I believe it's daily. They are currently using a 757 for the service. Last time I flew it was in December and it was full there and back.
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:05 pm

Yep, AA use the 757 for San Juan.
As for other intnl:
Cayman 737 to Grand Cayman
AA Eagle ATR to Bahamas
Westjet 737 to Toronto
ACA A320/1 to Toronto
BA 777 to Gatwick


...and there was an Air France 777 in on 1/15!


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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
...and there was an Air France 777 in on 1/15!

wow thats interesting? Charter maybe?
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:57 pm

It looks like it was a diversion for tech/medical on AF439, the Mexico City to Paris CDG flight.
It was filed TPA-LFPQ, but I think that was a typo for LFPG.

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RE: Discussion On TPA

Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:54 am

Evem if TPA is an interesting O/D market for Latinamerican flights, its proximity to MCO make those Latinamerica - TPA less likely.
Hopefully one day there'll be frequent flights to Latinamerica main hubs from TPA even if on RJ.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 25):
Evem if TPA is an interesting O/D market for Latinamerican flights, its proximity to MCO make those Latinamerica - TPA less likely.
Hopefully one day there'll be frequent flights to Latinamerica main hubs from TPA even if on RJ.

That was exactly the sort of thing I was wondering when I started the thread. I've heard that a lot of people of Latin American heritage have moved into the Tampa area, so I was thinking it may be a growth airport for non-stops to Latin America -- but it seem that as of now, everyone still goes through MIA.

Thanks for all the input everyone!
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting Dartland (Reply 26):
That was exactly the sort of thing I was wondering when I started the thread. I've heard that a lot of people of Latin American heritage have moved into the Tampa area, so I was thinking it may be a growth airport for non-stops to Latin America -- but it seem that as of now, everyone still goes through MIA.

Why I think CM doesn't fly to TPA but to MCO has to do that there's a strong leisure traffic to MCO from Latinamerica.. TPA does have its attractions and an interesting O/D but doesn't compare rightnow for what MCO represents. Is kind of like what happens between MIA and FLL.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting 73G (Reply 15):
36R and 27 have noise abatement issues. 9 has an obstacle clearance issue (The Hyatt Westshore).

How is the Hyatt at the end of that runway any different from the Wash Monument at the end of DCA's main runway?

Quoting Layzhon (Reply 19):
They are the 4th largest in terms of passengers in the state

I can remember when we were #2.  Sad

Quoting Layzhon (Reply 19):
I would like to see TPA become a focus city for an airline besides WN

TPA has been a focus city for DL as long as I can remember.
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
San Juan



Quoting Mkirch72 (Reply 21):
AA flies non-stop to San Juan from TPA. I'm not sure but I believe it's daily. They are currently using a 757 for the service. Last time I flew it was in December and it was full there and back.

SJU is not an International Destination right? San Juan is in the US. Are flight to SJU considered International? I thought they were not.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
Yep, AA use the 757 for San Juan.
As for other intnl:
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:29 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 28):
How is the Hyatt at the end of that runway any different from the Wash Monument at the end of DCA's main runway?

And do planes ever fly over the Washington Monument? Approaching DCA requires either a tricky visual approach or the use of an LDA. I doubt they are going to find the funding for an LDA on a runway that is less than 7000' feet long and not normally used for aircraft over 75000 lbs. Further, using 9 would preclude the use of the North/South runways unless you wanted to start running staggered approaches ala EWR. The increase in Arrival Acceptance Rate would be nonexistant and not worth it.
 
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RE: Discussion On TPA

Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:47 am

SJU is like flying into EWR. It is in the US but in a totally different world at the same time.



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