Jerseyguy
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When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:07 am

Anyone have a rough timetable about when DL will start intergrating the song ammenties to its flights? I know they plan to start with flights over 1750 miles but when will that start?
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline

Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:22 am

Everyone is pretty exhausted with this topic, but I believe DL is shooting for May 1.
 
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:39 am

YEs May 1st is the las day of "Song" ops
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:29 am

Anyone know when the May 1 sched will be loaded in? Seems that shat should be a significant shcedule change for DL.
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:33 am

Indeed interesting DL has yet to publish a post Song schedule considering its only a few months away and people are already booking.
Its somewhat unknown what presence DL will maintain in many markets such as North East to Florida and on transcons post Song.
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Indeed interesting DL has yet to publish a post Song schedule considering its only a few months away and people are already booking.
Its somewhat unknown what presence DL will maintain in many markets such as North East to Florida and on transcons post Song.

I'm almost positive that DL will continue to operate nearly all current Song flights. I also wouldn't be surprised to see old DL Express flights reintroduced like MCO-PVD and others.

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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Its somewhat unknown what presence DL will maintain in many markets such as North East to Florida and on transcons post Song.

From what I've heard (from a multitude of employees) is that, while they will be expanding to the transcon markets, they have no plans of abandoning any current routes. To quote one "We fought so hard to get NY-Florida back from B6....we're not gonna give it up again".
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
also wouldn't be surprised to see old DL Express flights reintroduced like MCO-PVD and others.

I'll believe it when I see it. DL has all but forgotten PVD and after returning two thirds of thier leased gates in MCO, I doubt there will be too many more new non-RJ routes out of MCO. Having said that - I'd love to see them re-enter the market...
 
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
I'm almost positive that DL will continue to operate nearly all current Song flights.



Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 6):
From what I've heard (from a multitude of employees) is that, while they will be expanding to the transcon markets, they have no plans of abandoning any current routes. To quote one "We fought so hard to get NY-Florida back from B6....we're not gonna give it up again".

I'm not sure keeping nor expanding any ex Song routes will be much of a financial benefit to DL.
Keep in mind Song replaced a failed DL Express and mainline model, and now Song is being replaced back by a mainline product.

With DL becoming even more an Atlanta centric airline, I am not sure prudence in continuing a significant presence in a competitive low yield market like the North East to Florida.
DL's Song simply has not been able to drive any sort of revenue yield parity over LCCs like Jetblue, and will certainly fair even worse using a higher cost lower density two class product in such markets.
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RE: When Will DL Intergrate Song Into The Mainline?

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:53 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
Keep in mind Song replaced a failed DL Express

Ough, this again. Like it or not, Delta Express was not a failure! It was exactly the product Delta needed in the Florida market: A high-density 737, with very short turn times, that could and did effectively compete with Southwest. Delta Express not only made Delta money, but it also brought them necessary experience with regards to efficiency and reducing turn times, like taxiing into the gate using one engine only to save fuel and allow baggage handlers to get to the plane faster.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
now Song is being replaced back by a mainline product.

A mainline product that still will be the same as the Song product, with the only difference that a First Class cabin is being added, and that the planes will be repainted into Delta's regular colors.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
With DL becoming even more an Atlanta centric airline,

So routes like LAX-CMH/RDU/CUN/CZM/PVR, JFK-MAN/DUB/SNN/ACA/PVR, MCO-MCI/TUL/OKC or LGA-MSY/ORD or obviously all routed through ATL, aren't they  Yeah sure .

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
I am not sure prudence in continuing a significant presence in a competitive low yield market like the North East to Florida.

So Delta should ignore the fact that their large customer bases in Boston, New York, Orlando, Ft. Lauderdale and Tampa demand these flights? What would Delta's alternative be? Oh yeah, right, routing all their passengers through ATL, and again become an even more Atlanta-centric airline.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
DL's Song simply has not been able to drive any sort of revenue yield parity over LCCs like Jetblue, and will certainly fair even worse using a higher cost lower density two class product in such markets.

And you base this on what statistics?