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Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:53 pm

How does VLM perform, in terms of profit and yield, from MAN to LCY and vice-versa?

VLM currently operates 8 flights per weekday on that route and 1 flight on Saturdays (only MAN-LCY) and 2 on Sundays.

The airline offers connecting flights (via LCY) to AMS, ANT, BRU, JER, LUX and RTM. Do you know what percentage of passengers connect and what percentage is O&D? I suspect the vast majority is O&D, but I could be wrong.

Any news regarding its MAN-LCY-MAN service?

Do you know what percentage of pax buy business tickets and what percentage buy tickets at the airport on the day of departure?

Is there much early-morning demand from LCY to MAN? I ask because the first flight LCY-MAN is 0805 (arrive 0905) and then 0830 (arrive 0930).


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Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:13 am

In terms of passenger numbers, not as well as a year ago.

I read recently (wish I could remember where, but a reputable source) that pax figures were down something like 30% on MAN-LCY-MAN compared to this time last year, primarily due to Virgin Train's new faster and more reliable service and that Virgin had offered some great promotions on Manchester-London.

Of course, this doesn't automatically mean yields are bad, in fact from what i have seen the fares on the route seem to have increased quite a lot during this period. So feel free to flame me for not properly answering your question! 

On a side note, the same article I read stated that pax figures on BD's MAN-LHR were down something like 25% with BA only having a loss of around 4% on the same route.

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 1):
So feel free to flame me for not properly answering your question!

Would I dare flame you, my long-lost cousin, for your reply? TOO RIGHT I WOULD!  Big grin Only joking. Thanks for your reply.  Smile
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Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:19 am

One of the reasons for th ereduced yeild on VLM's MAN-LCY-MAN maybe the fact they now operate BRU_LCY-IOM-LCY-BRU.

This means anyone wanting to get to the financial institutions here on the island no longer have to go via MAN to get here.

Just a thought. Not sure what their loads are like though on the IOM route.

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:29 am

Manchester-London loads have been steadily decreasing over the past year and this is expected to continue. It's largely due to the major improvements to the west-coast mainline meaning the train is now a fast and frequent way to get between Manchester and London city centres.

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:51 am

Pearson... since when did you move to Iraq ?!?!

I was to fly on the MAN-LCY-MAN route last November for a work educational, wish I had now as Id probably have something a lot more worthwhile to add to this thread...
but anyway... If VLM are losing business on this route I should imagine its not simply VLM's fault or problem... as was previously mentioned BA and seedy-BD are losing passengers and this is quite simply due to the ease of the train.

In my opinion, if the trainline improvements wernt as good as they have been then im sure VLM would dominate BA and BD... those F27's really are nice planes and plus they have a great little network for connex pax out of LCY !

Well, sorry I couldnt add too much more..

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:33 am

I used to fly LON-MAN about 20 times a year.

In 2002-2003 airfares were £50 or LESS with BA or BD sometimes with 48 hours notice and on 7-9pm flights on a friday too.

LCY a short notice round trip was about £100.

During the same time the train fare was £50.50p and took 3 1/2 hours.

In 2005 these "Cheap" flights and BMI Tiny fares are now £80-£100, no airmiles and a short notice ticket will set you back £150.
With VLM your looking upto £200.

Also in 2005 Virgin Trains introduced there Pendolinos, with seat reservations from £20 round trip, £30 in first class and with Laptop Power all for 2.5 hours, this summer it will have high speed internet too.

As a business traveller and a personal traveler, you can see why I changed.
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Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 5):
those F27's really are nice planes

Wow, they're using F27s!
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Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:07 am


I flew VLM MAN-LCY last July although this was on a Sunday so I can't really comment on business loads. As for the experience, they really are a wonderful airline offering the best service IMO on this route out of any of the carriers,

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:07 am

I think at some point in the past VLM operated 9 weekdaily flights, so obviously they have cut back slightly.

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