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How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:54 pm

I got asked this one by a kid who was 17 tonight and I honestly was not sure of answer. But she asked me how titles are removed from aircraft when they are removed from service. I said I think they repaint em but I was not really sure. She also asked me why AA paints a blue stripe over the red stripe on some of the there planes when they are ritired. Which I myself have seen and it's nor figure it was AA it's still on the side of plane. (Another ewaosn I'm not sure if they are painted). I said it was poor way to hide shame (ha ha) I don't know the answer to that either. Anyone have ideas?
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting Flywithjohn (Thread starter):
AA paints a blue stripe over the red stripe on some of the there planes when they are ritired.

I think it is to hide the identity of the owner a bit more. For example SQ when the were parking a few 744's, they even painted out the orange stripe on the winglets.

And it is Retired not ritired

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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:37 pm

Cheap paint and a hand roller in most all cases. AA paints over their window lines to 'de-logo' the aircraft. Even though it doesn't hide the identity of the last owner, I guess it meets the requirements of their company trademark infringement requirements.. and trust me, they're anal on this stuff.
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:53 pm

Here are a few ex.AA aircraft with titles painted out.


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Another aircraft with painted out titles.


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SQ 744 with painted out orange lines on the tail and winglets.


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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:41 am

Re: Painting out the stripes, it minimizes the next owner from appearing to be affiliated.

For example, I was looking at pictures of ex-Delta L-1011s that are now flying with other airlines. At least one of them is wearing the "Flag Livery" just with the new airline's name where Delat's used to be.

Looking at that aircraft--especially the tail--one's first instinct would be to associate it with Delta (at least if they knew the livery), so anything the new operator does has the potential to reflect on Delta. [In fact, I thought that the picture was mis-filed until I looked at the larger version and checked the titles]

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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Flywithjohn (Thread starter):
But she asked me how titles are removed from aircraft when they are removed from service. I said I think they repaint em but I was not really sure.

Doesn't work with decals. In that case you just hit them with a heat gun and they usually come off.

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 4):
Looking at that aircraft--especially the tail--one's first instinct would be to associate it with Delta (at least if they knew the livery), so anything the new operator does has the potential to reflect on Delta. [In fact, I thought that the picture was mis-filed until I looked at the larger version and checked the titles]

Exactly.
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 4):
For example, I was looking at pictures of ex-Delta L-1011s that are now flying with other airlines. At least one of them is wearing the "Flag Livery" just with the new airline's name where Delat's used to be.

Can you show us a photo please.

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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 6):
Can you show us a photo please.

Sure... It turns out that I was wrong about the type (it was a 727, but since I saw the photo on a L-1011 site I assumed...), but the point stands.

As an extra test, I've included four photos, at least one is a Delta aircraft and at least one is not a (current) Delta aircraft. To prove my point, take a quick glance at all four (as, for example, a normal person may do when walking by a gate at an airport), and see how clear it is which one is which...













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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:23 am

I remember seeing a photo ages ago of an ex-Iberia 727 (I believe), which was now in service with another operator. They had painted the stripes another colour, and the new carrier kept it unchanged! It looked really really bad!
 
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:40 am

How about this one?


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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:49 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 8):
I remember seeing a photo ages ago of an ex-Iberia 727 (I believe), which was now in service with another operator. They had painted the stripes another colour, and the new carrier kept it unchanged! It looked really really bad!

Found 'em!


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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
Found 'em!

What is up with the Oneworld sticker still on the plane? I thought stickers like those are supposed to be removed from the aircraft when a member airline retires the plane.
 
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:56 am

So this was hit with a heat gun? This was a NWA plane.




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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting Flywithjohn (Reply 12):
So this was hit with a heat gun?

Heat gun..?? Nope.. Painted out. The logo is painted on..
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:06 am

Here is a cool example of an ex-United bird flying for FedEx:


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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 14):

Wow that doesnt look ghetto or anything? I am hoping that will be sent to the paintshop ASAP? Not so great for the company image...

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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting AA777 (Reply 15):

Wow that doesnt look ghetto or anything? I am hoping that will be sent to the paintshop ASAP? Not so great for the company image...

I would assume, but the first photos of it like that flying for FX are from 2001, and it is still in those colors as far as I know. I remember seeing it on the FX ramp at EWR once, and just wondering what in the world was going on, haha.

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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:34 am

This was morally wrong for Phuket Air to do?

instead of leaving colors on a previous owners plane (Metrojet 737) , they just copied colors over! to the (YS-11)


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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:32 am

We used white paint and rollers to remove the titles for these airplanes.



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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:31 pm

They are mostly Decals & can be peeled off.
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:07 pm

Ok this is confusing me. Now if they do peel decals off. How can you do that, the plane is polished so there is no drag. Some say you paint over the titles but if you look at the NW picture I posted early on that's a really good paint job and very accurate, now look at the FedEx X united ( possibly the ugliest DC-10 I've ever seen) this is poor attempt a covering up old livery so who does what and why?
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:38 pm

Let me Rephrase....
The Lettering & Logo are normally Decals.Also more detailed designs are Decals.
The rest is normally Painted over under controlled Atmosphere in a specially created Hangar for better bonding purposes following a Coat of Primer over the Metal surface.
For Aircraft that are heading for the Storage area,it can be painted over.
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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:44 am

As Hawk21M said, most airline logos and names are decals and not painted

It's quicker and cheaper to apply more complex parts of an aircraft livery with decals, it also maintains a more consistent image as there should be no variations between aircraft, and facilitates easy modifications to the livery as well.

All the titles on our aircraft are decals, which also assists in the livery modifications for seasonal leases and special contracts.

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You can see a faint impression of the original First Choice logo on the aircraft under lease to Skyservice on the right.

I don't think it's a case of simply peeling off the decals to remove them though, I thought chemicals had to be applied to strip them off. Depending on how well it's done, removal of decals can leave almost no impression on the aircraft, although there are plenty of examples out there you can clearly see where decals have been removed!

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The benefit of decals really shows when you have to "paint-out" part of a livery, because it is virtually impossible to get new and old paint to match up in colour so where part of an aircraft has been painted you get a block of colour that doesn't match the rest of the aircraft, for example Thomas Cook removed the internet address from over the rear cabin windows.

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Usually the best way to tell the difference, is that when decals have been removed they can leave a faint outline on the aircraft from their edges, whereas something that has been painted out will generally be a block of mis-matched colour.

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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:48 am

what about N624FE, which i caught in Venice last august while waiting for a flight. its an Ex SR bird that is seen here it is at LAX. You'll agree this is better looking than the Ex UA plane.

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/2/7/8/0937872.jpg

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RE: How Are Titles Removed From Planes?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:47 am

Ok so the titles are decals that you can take a heat gun to and to remove paint stripes or to be lazy is cheap coat of spray paint.
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