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Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:10 am

...a pair of A330s. Delivery to take place in 2007.

[Edited 2006-02-09 16:26:07]
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:28 am

Just read this on RTE's website http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0209/aerlingus.html

Anyone know of any new destinations?
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:34 am

New aircraft too....

(According to RTE they have gone for the A3-30 version! is that the one with the audi cockpit)

[Edited 2006-02-09 16:39:00]
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:06 am

While this is great news I found it this quote interesting:

Quote:

Chief executive Dermot Mannion said Aer Lingus was continuing to look at new 'long-haul fleet opportunities' from Airbus and Boeing.

So this looks like, as previously discussed in another thread like an interim solution while the real decisionis being weighed up. However, I like other will have to admit that given EI's recent history and current fleet future order looks Airbus's for the losing.

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:20 am

Only two? Well at least we have some news on what Aer Lingus are planning. So the A350 is looking more and more like the choice for Aer Lingus.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
New aircraft too....

(According to RTE they have gone for the A3-30 version! Is that the one with the audi cockpit)

It is the new 30 liter engine A3, with largest engine ever to be put in a compact car and more than 2200BHP without supercharger. so powerful that with a payload of 4 passengers and one pilot, the car just jumps over the Pond from Ireland, to the east coast in a relatively short time.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:13 am

It's a pity it wasn't 4 as quoted in

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2003500,00.html

but i'd imagine they couldn't afford four right now.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:14 am

So are we talking A330-200s, with new seats, new IFE, and an updated business product? Aer Lingus are really moving foward I mean next month they are starting services to Dubai, ordering new aircraft, expanding in Europe and lowering prices!
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 6):
It's a pity it wasn't 4 as quoted in

The other two probably are options.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:20 am

Can't wait to see them in Miami. Supposedly, they should be announcing Miami-Dublin by May.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:20 am

the main news page on RTE got A330's right but also says

Quote:
The deal is subject to final negotiations with Airbus.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0209/aerlingus.html
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:22 am

There was an article in one of the papers during the week about some hitch on the Dubai route - visa processing or something or other!

Anyone know about it??
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 11):
There was an article in one of the papers during the week about some hitch on the Dubai route - visa processing or something or other!

Hope it's nothing too bad! They still have a month to sort things out. The fares on the Dubai routes are nice and low!
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:03 am

There is no Irish consulate in Dubai, the nearest is in Saudi Arabia, so getting a visa if your coming to Ireland direct from Dubai could be a pain. No problems for Irish travalers goiing to Dubai.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:24 am

EI's website just says A330 as well, no mention of type and the Airbus web page won't be updated for a few days, any word from Toulouse on the variant?
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:31 am

1 x 333
1 x 332

Carrier to add three new US routes this november


And from EI.com

agreement is subject to final contractual discussions with both Airbus and General Electric, which will be completed shortly.

Both aircraft will be delivered in mid 2007 and will be based at Dublin airport. It is expected that the two new aircraft will service new long haul destinations, in anticipation of bi-lateral changes.

This brings to nine the number of Airbus A330 long haul aircraft in Aer Lingus' fleet. The airline presently has twenty-seven short haul aircraft of which six are Airbus A321s and twenty- one A320s.

"This is an important interim step for Aer Lingus and demonstrates our commitment to developing and enhancing our long haul network.

In the meantime, our evaluation of new generation long haul fleet opportunities from both Airbus and Boeing continues."
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:44 am

Thanks BestWestern, any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not?(It should be to allow them serve the mid US routes with decent capacity. DFW/ORD etc)
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not

Nothing on this, sorry.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not

It must be, why bother and get the short legged regular version.

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
Thanks BestWestern, any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not?(It should be to allow them serve the mid US routes with decent capacity. DFW/ORD etc)

They don't say in their press release which says:

"Aer Lingus, "The low fares, way better" airline, today announced that it has signed a letter of intent with Airbus to purchase two new Airbus A330 long haul aircraft powered by General Electric CF6 engines. The agreement is subject to final contractual discussions with both Airbus and General Electric, which will be completed shortly."

I assume "Long Haul" means ORD or maybe even LAX, which is in range of the A333 from DUB. As I remember IE uses the A332 for LAX DUB, so the extra seats would be nice.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:53 am

Hmmmm.....An A333 - Ive a feeling thats for MIA and/or CPT. Well Airbus have won the interm battle...but will they win the war? This is a good hint that they will.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
Hmmmm.....An A333 - Ive a feeling thats for MIA and/or CPT. Well Airbus have won the interm battle...but will they win the war? This is a good hint that they will.

If my maps are correct, the longest distance IE flys is DUB-LAX, which is about
8300 km. That is in the range of the A333 and certainly the A332. But where is the capacity needed of a A333? My guess is JFK (lots of Irish in that area) as is BOS. LAX should be a stronger route than it is, but according to the IE website, they fly it only a three times a week. On the other hand, several IE flights for Feb are already sold out between DUB and BOS. Maybe

As for MIA, why? Maybe Orlando for Disneyland. Lots of my relatives are going there this winter while the Euro is still up over the USD.

As for Airbus having IE in their pocket, I agree. IE is Airbus's to loose, but they will have to work at it hard.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:29 am

There's no point in getting a non-X A330-300, so I would think it would be a -303X.

Will they actually start three routes this Winter? I was wondering that (hence the question!) and whether they would be adding more capacity this Winter (the new 330s not coming until next year). They might add one or two this Winter (Florida and SFO, perhaps), but they'll also want to increase the DXB frequency.

Remember that they can rejig their schedules and add new DUB n/s without adding from SNN, but I'm not sure they can actually reduce the number of flights out of SNN (for political reasons).

Things are moving in the right direction - and not before time!

With John Leahy having pointed to a major flaw in the 350 (well, one of them), I wonder if EI will go down that road. Remember that as an interim aircraft, the 330 is ideal; no new type ratings and they can get a fine aircraft that can operate the routes they want.

It doesn't automaticall mean they're automatically going for 350s (it certainly points towards it), but if they want to go down the LH-loco route, the 787 is a better choice; the ability to configure the acft for nine abreast (c.40 more seats on a 787-10) must give the type a big advantage in seat mile costs - and that is important.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:39 am

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we didnt see just one new route announced and the other aircraft used as a stand-in while their current A333s are updated for an improved business class
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 23):
I wouldn't be at all surprised if we didnt see just one new route announced and the other aircraft used as a stand-in while their current A333s are updated for an improved business class

A winter start would point to florida. Summer might see Detroit, a West Coast launch and PHL.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:16 am

OK this is kinda off topic but i don't want to waste an entire new thread on it, but why are CO bringing in two 752's to DUB this summer instread of the usual one 767?
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:24 am

They're doing the same to SNN as well (yes, and flights from SNN to the US with CO are actually quite cheap this Summer!). It's a pain because the 757s are not-PTV equipped, but I suppose the objective was to increase capacity; one 767 seats 235 (the -400ER) and two 757s is around 350, so it's a pretty significant capacity increase.

Apparently, Ireland is a good route for the Summer; DL says likewise and indeed, DL's JFK flights (while we're on the subject of US carriers - I didn't want to start a new thread either!) will be 764s!

So, between AA (763/757s), US (762s), DL (767s), CO (757s) and EI (A330s), the only US bound A330s with PTVs will be EI's 332s (presuming they get all of them changed). However, very good for Irish tourism and hopefully the US Congress won't throw a spanner in the works and stop the Open Skies process.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:25 am

Aer Lingus flights are getting cheaper, they are flying more passengers and punctuality is now 91% on-time and 99% within 60 minutes. Things are looking up from a few years ago.
Does anyone have any information on what improvements are being made on the current A330s (I heard that the cabins are being updated) and any ideas of what new features will be on the new A330s?  Big grin
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 22):
There's no point in getting a non-X A330-300, so I would think it would be a -303X.

Why do you feel so strongly about this? Just curious.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 22):
but I'm not sure they can actually reduce the number of flights out of SNN (for political reasons).

Unless something has changed, SNN will be on their "must visit" list for political reasons.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 22):
It doesn't automaticall mean they're automatically going for 350s

I hope you are right!
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 21):
As for MIA, why?

Key oneworld hub, good trans-Atlantic yields, strong year-round market, huge local to Europe travel market that would benefit from Aer Lingus more affordable fares.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:42 am

Will SFO get announced soon? I really can't wait to see that Irish Green metal at SFO's Intl. Terminal. EI has one of the best liveries in the sky today IMO.

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 29):
Key oneworld hub, good trans-Atlantic yields, strong year-round market, huge local to Europe travel market that would benefit from Aer Lingus more affordable fares.

MIA is a major hub alright, but to South and Central America. Are there that many Irishmen going there? You could be right, but I think going to Disneyland is more attractive.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 31):
MIA is a major hub alright, but to South and Central America. Are there that many Irishmen going there? You could be right, but I think going to Disneyland is more attractive.

People who want to go to Disney World (Disneyland is in California) can easily connect in Miami onto a 35 minute flight to Orlando. MIA offers a much larger O&D base to work from that makes it more attractive than Orlando, and is not as seasonal a market. Aer Lingus will rely very heavily on lower yielding tourist traffic with little connecting oppurtunities from Orlando. MIA offers connections on both ends, a higher yielding market, and a significantly larger local originating market. Aer Lingus to MCO can definitley work out, no doubt, but MIA is the stronger option, which is why MIA has been the city that has been most speculated to be launched this fall, along with SFO.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:06 am

this is boring news...I thought it would be A350s or 787s
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 33):
this is boring news...I thought it would be A350s or 787s

Boring it may be, but you just have to wait a few months and we will have a post saying "Aer Lingus have ordered the A350" or "Aer Lingus have ordered the 787" or even "Aer Lingus orders both A350 and 787!!" but I dont think we will see that one  Silly
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
People who want to go to Disney World (Disneyland is in California) can easily connect in Miami onto a 35 minute flight to Orlando

Unless you are heading to South and Central American, there is no reason to go to MIA for a hub. If you want to hub into the southeast of the USA, you go to ATL. I just don't see EI getting that many people wanting to go South America and such and even fewer wanting to go to Miami. I could be wrong.

As for Disney World (you are correct, my mistake) might as well land the tourists at MCO instead of making them take a connector flight. I have enough relatives in Ireland wanting to go to Orlando to know there is a winter time market.

As for SFO, I only wish. Look at the number of flights EI has between LAX and DUB. Only three per week.

A far better prospect is MSP, which has a sizeable Irish population in Saint Paul.

EI's two big markets in the USA are BOS and JFK, both cities with a large Irish population. My relatives in Dublin joke about going to the "suburbs" to visit their relatives in New York, as though New York city were a suburb of Dublin.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:27 am

I dont know about MIA, they already have flights to MCO in the summer so the Disneyland angle seems to be covered.
At a guess i think would be SFO and I dont know why I think this but YVR or YYZ could be distinct possibilites as there is no service to Canada apart from 1 AC flight a day to YYZ compared to 8 or 9 flights a day to cities across the US.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Keego (Reply 36):
I dont know about MIA, they already have flights to MCO in the summer so the Disneyland angle seems to be covered.
At a guess i think would be SFO and I dont know why I think this but YVR or YYZ could be distinct possibilites as there is no service to Canada apart from 1 AC flight a day to YYZ compared to 8 or 9 flights a day to cities across the US.

I think flights to MCO from Ireland are more likely in the winter than summer, but that is just my relatives opinion. Personally, I would love a SFO - DUB, as I presently live in the Sacramento CA, area. But that is just my personal opinion.

I like your YVR and YYZ suggestions. They make sence. More so than MSP.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 37):
I like your YVR and YYZ suggestions.

No open skies yet with Canada.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 35):
Unless you are heading to South and Central American, there is no reason to go to MIA for a hub. If you want to hub into the southeast of the USA, you go to ATL. I just don't see EI getting that many people wanting to go South America and such and even fewer wanting to go to Miami. I could be wrong.

I guess we'll see by early 2007, when Aer Lingus will likely be flying to Miami, not Orlando.

I don't see what is so hard to understand. Miami in itself has a huge local market to Europe, and this is what Aer Lingus aims to capture, ditto with their plans for SFO.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 26):
They're doing the same to SNN as well (yes, and flights from SNN to the US with CO are actually quite cheap this Summer!). It's a pain because the 757s are not-PTV equipped, but I suppose the objective was to increase capacity; one 767 seats 235 (the -400ER) and two 757s is around 350, so it's a pretty significant capacity increase.

It's not just about increasing capacity; Continental's widebody fleet is already stretched about as far as it can go, and the only way to free up more widebodies for additional Europe/South America/Asia services is to take them from the shorter routes like SNN and DUB. There's one other benefit; Continental also gains the ability to offer two choices for departure time, which is attractive to some passengers.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 39):
I guess we'll see by early 2007, when Aer Lingus will likely be flying to Miami, not Orlando.

I don't see what is so hard to understand. Miami in itself has a huge local market to Europe, and this is what Aer Lingus aims to capture, ditto with their plans for SFO.

Not many Irish is Miami, me boyo. Doubt MIA completely. And even if MIA is a 'huge local market to Europe", which I doubt, it is not an IRISH market.

THERE ARE NO IRISH IN MIAMI! Or at least damn few, compared to New York, Boston and St. Paul. Maimi is filled with Cuban, Haitians, various retired New Yorkers, many of which are Jewish, lots of various South Americans. But not many Irish. Do your demographics, me lad!

On the other hand, everybody, include all me relatives, are off to Orlando.

As for SFO, don't I wish. Oh, don't I wish. Now, lad, can ye tell me if SFO is so great, why IE doesn't go to LAX more than three (that is "3") times a week to LAX and zero, zed, nada, not at all, never, to SFO? The answer is there is no market for them.

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:44 am

Miami, though, is a major AA hub (not just to Latin America), and theoretically, one can get to most major cities in the United States with one MIA connection.

 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:56 am

Is EI re-starting BWI service? They pulled out of here some time ago, i dont know why.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting Poitin (Reply 41):
And even if MIA is a 'huge local market to Europe", which I doubt, it is not an IRISH market.

Go ahead and doubt the huge local market to Europe that MIA has. You think MIA supports service to Amsterdam, Paris, London, Manchestser, Madrid, Tel Aviv, Milan, Dusseldorf, Munich, Frankfurt, Zurich, and Helsinki with no market?

Quoting Poitin (Reply 41):
THERE ARE NO IRISH IN MIAMI!



Quoting Poitin (Reply 41):
Maimi is filled with Cuban, Haitians, various retired New Yorkers, many of which are Jewish, lots of various South Americans. But not many Irish. Do your demographics, me lad!

Do your demographics before spewing out made up facts. Irish actually represent the most popular lineage of non-Hispanic Miamians, with over 200,000 Miamians of Irish heritage. Of course, that "heritage" might go back four or five generations, but thats the fact. Italians and Germans come next. South Florida also has one of the largest first-born European immigrant communities in the US. And that's besides the point, immigrant communities fill flights, they don't make them profitable, as they usually are lower yielding. There is no non-stop service between Kingston and Damascus, Montreal and Beiruit, Melbourne and Athens, Buenos Aires and Tel Aviv, Manchester and Delhi, etc., etc., even though they could easily fill based on large ex-pat communities.

You'll be the one eating your words when Aer Lingus is flying to MIA come next year. They have already started looking for someone to do the groundhandling, most likely going to be AA. They will be using Concourse A.

Of course, we can't count on anything until it is all set in stone, a lot of things can change, but if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on MIA, or SFO.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:13 am

Wasn't this order pegged at 4 330s last month? Any idea what happened.

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
Do your demographics before spewing out made up facts. Irish actually represent the most popular lineage of non-Hispanic Miamians, with over 200,000 Miamians of Irish heritage. Of course, that "heritage" might go back four or five generations, but thats the fact. Italians and Germans come next.

I know the demographics of the Irish in America quite well. Some 40% of all Americans have more than 10% Irish blood in them, and some 20% have an Irish surname, but that does not mean they are going to travel to Ireland, lad. You can look this information up in: "The Irish in America." by Terry Golway, New York: Hyperion Books 1997. Lots of interesting information in it. For example, can you name the FIRST Irish President of the USA?

Just where do you get your "facts" about Miamians? And please give me the numbers of first and second generation Irish, not someone whose great great grand dad came over in 1880. We are interested in people who are likely to travel to/from Ireland who live in south Florida.

As for Irish travelling to Miami for vacation and such, I don't believe that is a large number. Orlando, yes, but not south Florida.

The way I normally travel to/from Ireland is by DL 128/129, through ATL. Most of my relatives planning on going to Orlando go that way as well.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
You'll be the one eating your words when Aer Lingus is flying to MIA come next year. They have already started looking for someone to do the groundhandling, most likely going to be AA. They will be using Concourse A.

Again, where do you get your inside information? Your profile says you are located in Miami and Chicago, so perhaps you work in the industry. However, we will have to see about MIA. As for SFO, I really wish you are right, but I don't think so given the thinness of the route to LAX. (Look at the IE website for their flights).

As for the AA connection, I would not be surprise, as they partner with EI from many points in the US. Go to the IE website and look at the list of US cities they "service". These include DFW, DEN, SFO, SAN, SEA, STL, DCA, which they use AA for feeders to their ORD, BOS and JFK flights. I would not be surprised to see MIA on the list, but when you look at the actual flight, you will find AA flying the connection, just like SFO is today.

I seriously doubt we will see direct DUB/SNN to MIA and SFO by EI any time soon.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:00 pm

Quoting Poitin (Reply 46):
I seriously doubt we will see direct DUB/SNN to MIA and SFO by EI any time soon.

Then you will be very surprised at where Aer Lingus will be flying by mid-2007, because pending some last minute change in the plans, SFO and MIA will be served by Aer Lingus starting as early as November 2006, but, more realisticlly, we are looking at an MIA launch in early '07 and an SFO launch in spring '07. They are already in very advance talks with MIA about launching the service. MIA is going to waive their landing fees for a year. DFW will also probably be launched in 2007. It isn't any industry inside info. They have publicly stated their intentions to fly to MIA, DFW, and SFO many, many times, doing everything short of confirming the three. Starting in November 2006, they will be allowed to serve three more US cities. The plan is to launch MIA first because MIA's peak season is winter, while SFO and DFW peak in summer, and it is always best to launch during peak travel. While they could probably find a way to squeeze MIA in with their current, tightly used fleet (which is used a little less during the winter), the new A330s will be here likely in time to launch DFW and SFO by mid-07. It is one of their worst kept secrets.

And as many as your friends may be visting the wonderful Disney World, Aer Lingus doesn't care that much. People visting Disney World aren't the cash cows that Aer Lingus and others are after. There is a reason Orlando has so little scheduled service to Europe with respect to demand, and so much charter service. And there is a reason that Aer Lingus own service to Orlando was charter rather than scheduled, even though they could have likely been successful applying with DOT to switch their BWI gateway to MCO.
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:11 pm

Quoting Aerlinguscargo (Reply 45):
Wasn't this order pegged at 4 330s last month? Any idea what happened.

I'm not sure if they could afford all 4 A330s so 2 of them is fine for now but I was looking foward to an order of 3 or 4 aircraft but the end of Febuary  Confused
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:59 pm

Quoting Poitin (Reply 41):
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EI have wanted to fly to MIA for many years but have been unable to do so. AA have been considering it also (MIA - DUB) but dont like the SNN stopover. If MCO makes so much sense, why have EI just droped it? EI never made much money on the MCO route because it was predominatly low yield tour operator passengers (it was a charter route). MIA has good oneworld connections which will represent a decent amount of feeder traffic coming off AA flights and going to DUB with EI.