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Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:47 am

Hello!

Does anyone has informations about 2 flights leaving the US today to the Canary Islands? These ase "cargo" flights transporting a total of 4 orcas (Killer Whales) from Sea World Texas and Sea World Orlando, to Tenerife Loro Parque.
No shuch things have been made since the Keiko flight to Iceland and I'm sure not many people have heard of it in San Antonio and Orlando but I was looking for some informations and pictures about the 2 flights!

thanks a lot

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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:57 am

I know that FX has contract services with Sea World Inc. to transport Shamu and others, not sure if we are doing these flights though!

I've personally loaded a DC10 with emu's from an exotic game ranch near AUS!

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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:25 am

Pardon the question,

But just how exactly does one ship a whale? It seems like quite an endeavor!
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting JEdward (Reply 2):


But just how exactly does one ship a whale? It seems like quite an endeavor!

Lots of packing peanuts.  Wink

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:27 am

Well this is one segment that airbus has correctly identified  Smile
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:32 am

Hi FX ramper

Thanks for your quick reply.
The DC 10 might be too small... not the aircraft but the cargo door must be at least 10m wide for the tank (where the orca "sits"). I could be wrong of course. The orca will probably leave in the evening or night because of all the people in the park.

(For Keiko it was a C17 Globemaster)

I'm surprised not to find any informations on local newspaper around San Antonio... This orca move have been planned for a while now.

Thanks again  Smile

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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting JEdward (Reply 2):
Pardon the question,

But just how exactly does one ship a whale? It seems like quite an endeavor!

Hi

Normally, they put the whale in a tank, full of water. A couple of "human friends" stay around the whale to give it some water if needed...
They fly the whale in a big cargo plane, hopefully everything goes well, probably they won't try high risk manoeuvres or "free-fall" attempt....
Remember a killer whale is "only" 5 or 6 metres long.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:45 am

Does anybody know as to why they are taking them to the Canary Islands?
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting UA933 (Reply 7):
Does anybody know as to why they are taking them to the Canary Islands?

yes...

they have been sold to the Loro Parque in the Canary Islands, the zoo is expanding and is starting to show killer whales from February 17th.
basically it's an exchange of captive whales... money again stikes back...(anyway it's not really the place to talk about this matter...)
 
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:59 am

Out of curiousity, are these full grown whales or are they younger whales? Obviously a smaller whale would be easier to transport if you call that easy.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:09 am

Not that big of a deal. My dad transported a Beluga whale from up in the arctic down into lower Canada. Not sure where it was going though. That was in a DC-3 back in the 1970's. Just said it was weird because you could feel the whale move in the water as the weight transfered around.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:16 pm

There is only one Orca captured in Puget Sound/Straits of Georgia still alive in captivity (Lolita). All the rest in the US came from Iceland. They were all air transported to where they are living now. I seem to remember video footage of some being loaded on a DC-8 in Iceland. Keiko flew from Mexico to Oregon on a UPS C-130 and then from Oregon to Iceland in a USAF C-17 (including two air-to-air refuelings).

We have kayaked with the J, K and L resident Orcas pods in Puget Sound many times. They are very intelligent, friendly and social animals. They really seem to like social contact with humans. We have a hydrophone and enjoy listening to them vocalizing and echo-locating. On the othe hand, the transient Orcas that we occasionally encounter are scary. They are aggresive, but have never been documented attacking a human. We had one charge us several years ago and it only submerged several feet away. It was scary watching it go under our kayak, just a few feet down, with the big eye tracking us the whole time.
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:49 pm

Kalitta Air 747F will transport the whales and sharks..SAT-MCO-TFN...
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting Favre (Reply 14):
Kalitta Air 747F will transport the whales and sharks..SAT-MCO-TFN...

thanks a lot for this information, I didn't even know about the sharks!

Any more informations about the time and arrival dparture, flight status?
thanks a lot

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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting AeroWeanie (Reply 13):
It was scary watching it go under our kayak, just a few feet down, with the big eye tracking us the whole time.

Had that experience in a zodiac with a sea lion once...

Your right...it is spooky.
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:34 am

Anyone from Kalitta Air could tell us about the flight?  shy 
 
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:07 pm

Hum.. Apparently the 4 whales are still in Sea World.
The opening ceremony in Tenerife is next Friday, the should hurry...
 
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting JEdward (Reply 2):
But just how exactly does one ship a whale?

Not quite sure where you put it. But I know from experience that sardines travel upstairs.
 
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:24 pm

I was working at Valencia's airport when they unloaded a pair of Belugas from an Atlas Jet 747-200. The flight came from Miami and the Belugas were going to Valencia´s Oceanografico.
 
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:35 pm

What about the weight? I guess a tank filled with water and a whale is extremely heavy?!?
 
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting Rom1 (Reply 18):
Hum.. Apparently the 4 whales are still in Sea World.
The opening ceremony in Tenerife is next Friday, the should hurry...

Hello. Could you please inform when you the departure date?. I am in Tenerife and would like to spot the Kalitta arrival

Thanks.
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:01 am

Hi IberiaDc852

I would love to, unfortunately I don't know it. From my source, the move is not scheduled for tonight.
The landing in Tenerife will probably be by night however, because the Loro Parque doesn't really want a lot of people to see their orcas in small tanks..
Keep watching the topic, I'll give any information I can about the time of arrival, actually if you could take pictures that would be very very interesting...


to: The Sonntag: These are 4 young whales, maximum weight for each one will lie between 1 and 2 tons
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:06 am

Rom1,

A Orca (killer whale) isn't a huge whale...it's a mammal...and will most definitely fit through our main cargo door on a MD11. Did you ever figure out who flew the beasts?



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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 24):
Rom1,

A Orca (killer whale) isn't a huge whale...it's a mammal...and will most definitely fit through our main cargo door on a MD11. Did you ever figure out who flew the beasts?

Drew in AUS.

I know the difference between an Orca and a Whale.  Smile
I just didn't know the the MD11 cargo door was that big, I guess you load a MD11 on the side, and a cargo door larger than 5 meters just seem very big. A front loading on a B747 (like Kalitta Air) just seem more appropriate...

For example, looking at this picture: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0973224/M/
I can't imagine a 5 meters long (at least) tank fit through this door.
However you know better than me on loading a MD11 so I won't assume that I'm right (and let you correct me if I'm wrong  Wink )

What do you mean by "Did you ever figure out who flew the beasts?"...?
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:18 pm

I have to ask...will they be transporting them in tanks of Transparent Aluminum and can the "human friends" mind-meld with the whales to know if they need anything?
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 26):
I have to ask...will they be transporting them in tanks of Transparent Aluminum and can the "human friends" mind-meld with the whales to know if they need anything?

yes there should be "human friends" with them all along the journey to Tenerife.
Sea World didn't actually sell all 4 orcas, they have a "financiel agreement" with Loro Parque, and t is obvious they don't want bad things to happen to the orcas. (appart from the captivity issue...)
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting Rom1 (Reply 21):
Keep watching the topic, I'll give any information I can about the time of arrival, actually if you could take pictures that would be very very interesting...

Ok. I will keep watching it and I will also do my best to take a photo.
I will tell you.
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:16 am

Flight ID : CKS315 Flight No. : 12741 Tail No. : N705CK Equipment : 747

ETD KSAT 2/14/2006 01:00 UTC ETA KMCO 2/14/2006 04:00 UTC

ETD KMCO 2/14/2006 06:00 UTC ETA GCXO 2/14/2006 14:30 UTC

NOSE LOADER 747
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting Favre (Reply 27):
ETD KSAT 2/14/2006 01:00 UTC ETA KMCO 2/14/2006 04:00 UTC

ETD KMCO 2/14/2006 06:00 UTC ETA GCXO 2/14/2006 14:30 UTC

Sorry, but, what does UTC mean?
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 24):
have to ask...will they be transporting them in tanks of Transparent Aluminum and can the "human friends" mind-meld with the whales to know if they need anything?

They won't use outdated transparent Aluminium, instead they will use the much superior transparent composites  Wink
 
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 28):
Sorry, but, what does UTC mean?

Universal Time Coordinated which basically is GMT without Daylight Savings.
local time in SAT is UTC-6, so 01:00 UTC means the flight would leave at 19:00 CST (local time)
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 29):
They won't use outdated transparent Aluminium, instead they will use the much superior transparent composites

Right...got me there. But I hear that some companies feel that transparent composites are not good in areas where damage could occur such as near the fins and tail. Could it be a tank made of part transparent composites and transparent aluminum?

Quoting Rom1 (Reply 25):
yes there should be "human friends" with them all along the journey to Tenerife.

But can they mind meld to tell us if one is pregnant?

I appreciate this thread but the first thing that came to me about transporting whales was Star Trek IV
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 24):
I have to ask...will they be transporting them in tanks of Transparent Aluminum and can the "human friends" mind-meld with the whales to know if they need anything?

I doubt it, nor will they need a "nuclear wessel" from which to borrow fuel for the trip home!  Smile

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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:20 pm

Hi Centrair,

No orcas is pregnent they are too young


@ Favre: Thank you very much! I hope everything goes fine for the transport and unloading...

@ IberiaDc852: Thanks a lot as well for the pictures!! (there might be a lot of security though)..
 
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:21 pm

Quoting Rom1 (Reply 33):
@ IberiaDc852: Thanks a lot as well for the pictures!! (there might be a lot of security though)..

Don't mention it.
About the security, not by the runway fences to see the planes land. In the cargo ramp I don't know.
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RE: Whale Transport From USA To Europe

Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting JEdward (Reply 2):
Pardon the question,

But just how exactly does one ship a whale? It seems like quite an endeavor!

Here is the answer! http://www.elcanalpirata.com/videos/..._transporte_2006_elcanalpirata.zip
(it's a video, format .avi)

As you can see the whales arrived safely in Tenerife, rough landing though  Smile

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