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Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:05 am

There's a recent threat on pprune that Sir Freddie has just died:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=210490



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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:09 am

If true, that is a big hole to fill.

One of the pioneers of the cheap seat.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:10 am

Aww, how sad. One of my favorite Airline Cheifs.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:12 am

I thought he was already long gone. My bad.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:15 am

 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:16 am

Sad to see him go. One of the most colorful airline execs to ever board a DC-10. RIP.

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:17 am

Confirmed here by Reuters.

Very sad. Skytrain may not have succeeded as he hoped, but his business undisputably paved the way for others to follow.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:18 am

May he rest in peace!  praise 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:20 am

He was an interesting character who lived his life to the fullest. People either loved him or hated him, sometimes wavering between the two, but no one could ever say he let any grass grow on his racetrack.

Aviation was in his blood and he certainly left his mark.

He had a great run.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
One of the pioneers of the cheap seat.

Yes, he sold one way tickets on Laker DC-10-10s from London to the US west coast (refueling stop in BGR) for under $100 US in the 1970s. Later he eliminated the BGR fuel stop when he got the DC-10-30. IIRC he flew into LAX on the west coast, BGR, BOS and JFK on the east coast.

But, I believe that Laker Airways went bankrupt around 1980. Is that correct?

RIP, my friend, Sir Freddie Laker
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:24 am

One of the 1st European pioneers of LCC's. He was able to get the low cost airline slot between JFK and LGW, later between EWR and LGW, later used by BCal and Virgin. I remember the ads (print and radio) for his 'Laker Airways' for about $99-149/one way with round trip. It also triggred a price war with all of the other airlines serving between the NYC area and UK market to also offer similarly cheap fares, something we still see today.  tombstone 
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:26 am

One of the aviation greats, who pioneered the revolution we see in our skies today. A loss to the industry  Sad
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:42 am

Fairwell Freddie, thanks for an awesome transatlantic flight PIK-YYZ-PIK on your DC-10-30 ....This 10 year old loved it back in 1980.

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:42 am

Rest In Peace Sir Freddie!
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:47 am

Three Cheers for Sir Freddie!

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:57 am

Another aviation pioneer dies. May he rest in peace.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:04 am

Thanks Sir Freddie. You were my airline hero..rocking the industy with the cheap across the pond fares on the DC-10. TW and BA, your main competition at that time went bonkers and lowered their fares to retain the business. Then it spread all over the world....cheap tickets to anywhere....you are the man and will not be equaled by anyone as an airline pioneer....and that includes for Mr. Branson.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:04 am

Sad news, may he rest in peace.

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:09 am

Sadly, another great visionary left us!

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:30 am

Yes one of my role models in Commercial Aviation, he never got what he deserved, those with great plans and dreams for the general public to fly more often usually get burnt by SUITS from legacy and cold blooded for profit carriers.

I always blame BA and VS for the demise of Laker Airways.

Wish we had a chance to see the GLOBETRAIN operation, where he would have flown the jets to Asia and other Continents at cheap fares.

May he rest in peace.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 19):
I always blame BA and VS for the demise of Laker Airways.

Don't blame Virgin! Surely you mean TWA etc? Virgin didn't start until a couple of years after Laker Airways failed. Laker was a friend of Virgin Atlantic (and Virgin renamed G-VMIA the Spirit of Sir Freddie in grateful homage to a real aviation pioneer).

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:40 am

A real big loss to one of the trendsetters in the airline industry.

Sir Freddie Laker, rest in peace, & prayers go out to the Laker family.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:43 am

Sad to see an airline pioneer go.  frown 

Rest in peace Sir Freddie Laker.
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:55 am

A tear drop fails.

A truely great man has left us.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:59 am

Sad to see him leave this Earth for his final flight to the great beyond, Sir Freddie your flight is now available for boarding, please watch you step and enjoy your adventure. God bless and God speed on your final journey. You will be missed, though always remembered.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:02 am

In the later days

I mean after 1984 VS startup, the later Laker Airways to Florida,

VS now came into the fold to compete against the later LAKER AIRWAYS

But competing with deep-pocketed British Airways and Virgin Air eventually sank the airline. Although Laker managed to fly half-full planes, it just couldn't compete.

[Edited 2006-02-10 02:05:19]
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:04 am

Very bad news indeed. I really respected the guy, unlike Virgin's Branson (my opinion flame me if you want).
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:21 am

This is sad news indeed. Sir Freddie's story featured prominently in one of my favorite computer games, Airbucs (look in the manual). From there I found out more and more about him and what he tried to do, and I thought it was more than a bit unfair how government interference and unfortunate circumstances doomed him. But he fought the good fight and invited others to follow.

RIP Sir Freddie.

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:59 am

Rest in peace S.ir Freddie Laker. Thank you for skytrain! May your memory live long in the hearts of the aviation community
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:05 am

I am sure Sir Freddie took the Skytrain to the promise land. May he RIP.
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 14):
Three Cheers for Sir Freddie!

Hip, hip, hooray! Hip. hip. hooray! Hip, hip, hooray!!!!!!

Quoting Poitin (Reply 23):
A tear drop fails.

 checkmark  Indeed. Farewell Sir Fredde. We need more of you in this industry.  crying 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:28 am

Thank you for posting the links. It is sad to see one of the good ones finally go. I heard him speak at a few industry conferences and he was always ahead of the pack and full of innovative ideas. He was an excellent story teller and had a quick wit. He will be missed.
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:30 am

Truely an aviation pioneer. It's also a fact that nobody has yet attempted to emulate Laker's SkyTrain, i.e. longhaul low cost carrier. All said and done VS is a full fares, full service carrier, whereas SkyTrain really was about paying cheapest fares, even offering cheap tickets on the day of flight.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 32):
Truely an aviation pioneer. It's also a fact that nobody has yet attempted to emulate Laker's SkyTrain, i.e. longhaul low cost carrier. All said and done VS is a full fares, full service carrier, whereas SkyTrain really was about paying cheapest fares, even offering cheap tickets on the day of flight.

Skylink Airways was originally going to do it, but instead they changed name to MAXJET and offered business class instead of being a low-cost long haul carrier with 767-200ER
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:11 pm

When I was little, I remember seeing Sir Freddie's Laker Airways ticket counter at OAK, but never saw the airplane.
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:45 pm

I think we should organsise a STATE FUNERAL!!!!

I think the Queen should come, and of course Margaret thatcher should speak, plus richard branson, and somebody should definately come from Boeing....in Memory of the Douglas gets he used to fly! How about some of the old engineers and sales staff that would have delt with him during his hay day! Come on their would be some great stories.

In Addition, Richard Branson should organise a flyover of the aircraft that was named after sir Freddy (is it still in service? my believe is it is an A340-300?)
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:49 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
But, I believe that Laker Airways went bankrupt around 1980. Is that correct?

I flew a Laker Air B727-200 from BWI-FPT for New Year's 2002; it was tired but got us to and fro. Arguably the smoothest landing ever (in FPT).
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:42 pm

I have very fond memories of my Laker B707 flights YUL-LGW-YUL in 1976.....
RIP A great loss to the industry.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:41 pm

We salute you Sir Freddie! R.I.P.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:25 pm

Sir Freddie had been a major player in the airline industry long before the Skytrain that everyone here seems to be concentrating on. His early company, Air Charter, was a big part of the late 1940s civil Berlin Airlift, and even continued to operate in West Germany long after the other participants had cashed their government cheques and returned to their home bases.

Air Charter went on to revive the fortunes of the tainted Avro Tudor, by returning several stored aircraft into service on successful trooping services to the Far east that ran for many years. The company also pioneered cheap cross-channel passenger services alongside the established Channel Air Bridge car ferry division operation, flying a high capacity configured DC-4 on "no passport" day trips to France and Belgium.

Sir Freddie was behind the design of the Carvair conversion of the DC-4 for Channel Air Bridge, later BUAF and he also produced and flew a promising executive transport, the Accountant, built by another Laker company Aviation Traders, which had converted the DC-4s to Carvairs.

Once Air Charter and Channel Air Bridge became part of British United Airways, Sir Freddie (still un-knighted at that time!) became the new airlines managing director and led it from being a mixed-bag of small operators to a leading British independent airline, operating worldwide. Laker's BUA had signed the first contract for the BAC One-Eleven, a design Laker had supported and helped mould when the State airlines showed little if any interest in it. VC-10s were also ordered by the Laker-run BUA and replaced BOAC on UK-South America routes.

In the mid-1960s Laker left BUA to found a new airline in his own right and Laker Airways began charter operations with two ex-BOAC Bristol Britannia 102s. New BAC One-Eleven 300s eventually replaced the Britannias and were later joined by ex-British Eagle and QANTAS 707-138s, before the "Skytrain" DC-10s arrived in the early 1970s.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:41 pm

Let's not get too romantic over this - this is a man who forced female cabin crew to leave their jobs when they got married, left hundreds of staff jobless whilst continuing to live a life of luxury then took a Knighthood and promptly moved to an offshore tax haven.
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:42 pm

My thoughts and prayers to Sir Freddie and his family.

He was truly one of the Aviation Greats, the pioneer of affordable air travel and a huge character.

I heard him speak at many UK Travel Trade events and, on the couple of occasions I got to meet him, found him to be perhaps the most affable and interesting people I have ever met.

I`d like to suggest to all the UK Charter Airlines that they each name one of their fleet in his memory, that would be a fitting memorial to his vision of bringing air travel to the masses.

RIP Sir Freddie.
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:32 pm

As someone who was entranced by Sir Freddie's shiny DC10s as a teenager, and that's one of the reasons I ended up in the job, I am genuinely upset by Sir Freddie's passing. As are a couple of my friends who rang earlier today who used to work for him.

In the 1950s there was an expression "Work for Fred and burn your bed!"

He was a hard taskmaster and pushed his employees hard, but many saw the other side of him as well. A tough man to work for, forever sacking people and then phoning them up to make sure they would be in work the next day! He could also be generous to a fault and maybe it was his optimistic and giving side which helped contribute to events that brought GK down. He pushed hard, made huge plans and upset a lot of the kind of people who would happily have seen ordinary travellers paying over two thousand dollars each way for a transatlantic ticket at today's prices.

He wasn't perfect, but he was a damned sight better than the rat scum who brought him and his airline down by undercutting him and pressurising the banks and McDonnell Douglas. The Douglas affair was truly shameful in the way that company was practically blackmailed into refusing help to Laker. That's why Sir Freddie (a legendary grudge holder) saw no problem with immediately picking the DC-10 for his second attempt at transatlantic service.

Some years back, thre was talk of him buying out BUA before it merged with Caledonian and formed BCal. That never happened, and the trade unions were screaming with indignation at the thought. Maybe if he had merged his young airline with BUA and formed a second tier carrier things would today look very different.

God rest a truly great man, and aviation is a little bit less colourful today.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:49 pm

Hi!

I want to pay my tribute to Sir Freddie Laker. I true gentleman and a guy way ahead the others when he was running Laker. He's now in the "Hall of Fame" side by side with other big guys in civil aviation. I had great moments seeing Laker at LIS, normally in the summer season flying the Bac 1-11 with their distinct livery, but also I remember well their 707's passing via LIS to the Caribbean and latter their DC-10's passing by too! Thank you Sir Freddie Laker!
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:53 pm

It's sad to hear of his death. I hope he finds lots of new projects in the hereafter.
 
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:50 pm

This is sad news.

I know that Virgin named a plane after Sir Freddie which I actually flew on in the early 90s I believe. Can anyone give me the reg of this aircraft as I have always wanted to see pics as I never took the reg (mainly because I was 8 at the time!).

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:59 pm

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:01 pm

Although he lived to a good age, this is still a big shock and I am very much saddened by the news.

Sir Freddie was a true legend in the history of British civil aviation and went on to become a very popular figure in the US and beyond too. His vision proved to be the inspiration for many of today's leading entrepreneurs in the airline business.
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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:50 pm

A legend, an entrepreneur and a true visionary.

Truely sad news

May he Rest in Peace  Sad

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RE: Sir Freddie Laker Dies

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:17 pm

I remember arriving at LGW shortly after Skytrain went under and seeing a dozen or so Skytrain DC-10's parked on an apron there.

He was indeed a visionary, and he will be missed.
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