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Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:22 am

Is there any other defunct airline that offered a generous severance package to even the entry-level workers and airport agents who remained at the job till the airline shut down?

This probably makes Independence Air one of the best airlines in terms of supporting its own employees at the end. (extending health insurance 2 months at no charge, fully vesting all company matching in the 401ks even if the emps did not meet the specific service time, giving back a certain amount of vacation pay that was unused in severance and an additional 80 hours of work)

I dont really recall that Midway or National etc. ever had severance packages and vacation payments due to ceasing operations.

[Edited 2006-02-10 02:41:06]

And I know that no Major Airline like United or Northwest would bother giving ramp agents or customer service agents a severance package along with unused vacation hours if they shut down.

[Edited 2006-02-10 02:44:44]
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:27 am

Wow.....I worked for them for a while to get some experience under my belt before coming back to VA to finish up college, and they always seemed to be putting the employees first. I know I don't have a lot of experience in that I have not worked for any other carriers but it really was a pleasure to work for these guys.

I know everyone hates them and blah blah blah but I worked my  butthead  off in an effort to offer a great product to the customer. I like to think that me and my teammates in DTW did a decent job (considering what I witnessed at some other ticket counters, etc.).
 
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:55 am

Independence Air was a failure. An airline is a business and a business must turn a profit. Bethlehem Steel served their employees NY Strip steaks for lunch. They aren't a great company either.

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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:19 pm

I used to work for DH when they were ACA at ORD and they did not know how to run an airline then, I told them that if they went to be a low cost airline they would be like national airlines...On our last day at ORD as ACA we did get a check worth $1300 and a ride to our cars in that company van... So I guess that the pay out was good......
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:03 pm

Ironically, Independence Air ranked number one airline for customer satisfaction in the latest Market Metrex survey (4th qtr 05).

The fact that the employees helped rank Independence Air above JetBlue, without the benefit of 36 channels of LiveTV, with a fleet made up of mostly smaller airplanes, all while knowing they might lose their job, is incredible.
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:08 pm

Well, I know when Comair pilots went on strike in 2001, Comair Presiden Randy Rademacher promised each employee they would keep paying them until they either came to an agreement, or the company ran out of money. Sure enough, employees were sent to other Delta stations to continue working and living in hotels, flying home for their off days, and everyone kept their paycheck throughout the 3 month strike. Instead of laying people off, they kept making their paycheck. Not bad.



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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be

Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:11 pm

The front line employees are what made the airline special. Kerry, Tom, Richard, and my two favorites Ricky D. and Jeff "the Liar" Rogers were idiots and ran it into the ground. The spirit lives on even if the body is dead.

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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting Malaysia (Thread starter):
This probably makes Independence Air one of the best airlines in terms of supporting its own employees at the end. (extending health insurance 2 months at no charge, fully vesting all company matching in the 401ks even if the emps did not meet the specific service time, giving back a certain amount of vacation pay that was unused in severance and an additional 80 hours of work)

Maybe this is why DH's 401k plans are all frozen by the IRS?!
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
Maybe this is why DH's 401k plans are all frozen by the IRS?!

Employees have already been given the option to roll over the 401K to a IRA or new company 401K
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Malaysia (Thread starter):
Is there any other defunct airline that offered a generous severance package to even the entry-level workers and airport agents who remained at the job till the airline shut down?

It was a valiant gesture, but there was one small catch: those who were eligable to receive severance packages were non-union. wink 

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
The fact that the employees helped rank Independence Air above JetBlue, without the benefit of 36 channels of LiveTV, with a fleet made up of mostly smaller airplanes, all while knowing they might lose their job, is incredible.

Thank you.  smile 

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 2):
Independence Air was a failure. An airline is a business and a business must turn a profit.

I'm sure most of us have already gotten that memo; however, Malaysia wasn't pointing out the financial failures of the company. He was simply stating that it was a nice thing for a failed airline to do, especially since others (in the same position) were not so generous. The whole "Independence Air was a failure" mantra really isn't necessary.
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:27 am

They are not great. They were one of the worst operations out there. Not because of the people who did the REAL work (gate, service, f/a, pilot, mech, etc), but due to the complete incompetace of the management.

This "generous" package was given probably becuase the mgt FINALLY realized they f'd up big time, and while helpful may seem like a "You built us to something great but we f'd it up. Thanks." type of thing..

Good riddance FlyI

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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:13 am

Chris,
Couldn't agree more. It wasn't the "working folks" at this airline that failed, it was the entire concept to begin with. That should be Kerry Skeen's legacy, " H had an ego that just wouldn't die". Unfortunately he had to drag down far too many good people before he finally gave in. The sad part is that he is still is a very, very rich man while most of the worker bees are looking elsewhere for employment. The best of luck to all of you.

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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:30 am

Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?


I feel sorry for all the people who worked for I-fly/ACA. But ,that was not a Great Airline. Oh, it may have been a good airline to work for and a cool job to have.

But, a Great Airline is one that makes a name for it self. Like Pan AM,TWA, and Eastern Airlines.
 
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:21 pm

The troops are getting some severance so that the big boys can get their golden parachutes...this way the court considers it an equal disbursement.

think it was?
 
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:35 pm

Great Airline to Employees... hmm hmm


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Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:44 pm

Dear moderators: No.
 
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RE: Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:53 pm

Aa757first, independence was against all odds. From the begining anyone could figure. Take in effect the current US market, high fuel costs, too many competitors, including direct compation from UA which they proke away from, and the new efficiency problems of offering low fares on a majority RJ fleet. Judging from your profile (pre-teen) you have no place in making a compassion between a US steel company, an airline and how employees should be treated.  Embarrassment