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Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:18 am

With yesterday's announcement by Delta that they will be flying to Dakar and Johannesburg, I've been nostalgic about the old PA operation to Africa.

In 1977 Pan Am served Dakar, Monrovia, Abidjan, Accra, Lagos, Liberville, Kinsasha, Johannesburg and Nairobi. I think the African network was actually larger in the early 1970s.

By 1990 PA only served Nairobi.

Also where did TWA fly in Africa besides Cairo? I can only recall them flying to Cairo, and maybe to Casablanca at one point, but I'm sure they flew elsewhere also.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:25 am

With respect to Cairo, TWA served it into the 1990s. Delta also ran Cairo - JFK prior to 9/11 (the flight continued from Cairo to Dubai).
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:26 am

In 1995 or 1996, TWA planned to start JFK-JNB 747 service. I believe this was before TWA 800. They never started it. I can't remember why, but could be the retirement of the 747 fleet.

I don't believe a L1011 could have made the trip.

[Edited 2006-02-10 19:28:04]
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Thread starter):
In 1977 Pan Am served Dakar, Monrovia, Abidjan, Accra, Lagos, Liberville, Kinsasha, Johannesburg and Nairobi. I think the African network was actually larger in the early 1970s.

Douala, Cotonou, Dar Es Salaam, and Casablanca were also part of the network in the early 70s. Many of these places received only once or twice weekly services with multiple stops enroute. Looking back at a 1972 schedule, JFK-JNB was served twice a week, one with 3 stops enroute and the other with FIVE (5!) stops. Examples of schedules:

PA 184 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Accra-Lagos-Kinshasa-Johannesburg 707
PA 186 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Abidjan-Cotonou-Douala-Libreville 707

Eventually, by the '80s, PA was down to a twice weekly 747 flight from JFK to DKR, ROB, LOS, and NBO. Periodically, there was also a 747SP flight 3X weekly from JFK to JNB via ROB or Abidjan.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:48 am

I think the last African destination served by TWA (besides Cairo) was Casablanca back around 1978. I believe they flew there from either Madrid or the Azores. Way way way back TWA flew to Tripoli, Beirut, Algeria, and a few other points. That was more like the 1950's though.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:00 am

Beirut was also Pan Am's hub in the Middle East.
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:02 am

In 1985, Pan Am flew JFK-Monrovia-JNB, and JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Lagos-Nairobi. I remember that from an old timetable I foolishly threw away.

http://www.airchive.com

There are old timetables and routemaps available of Pan Am and TWA going WAY back - lots of fun!!
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:03 am

I must be an old man because I remember the Panam Stratocruiser in Accra . I believe that it flew from South Africa and then on to Azores on its way to Noo York. I went inside one day and thought the bunks were such a good idea . I was 9 at the time!!So the thought of "The mile High" club did not enter my mind. It also had a sumptuos bar on the lower deck
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:19 am

i recall in the early 90s in Accra, i notice a 3 engine plane (possibly L1011) with a US flag on the tail, white fuselage
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Thread starter):
Also where did TWA fly in Africa besides Cairo?

Many years ago, TWA flew to NBO...in the 60's I think.
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 9):
Many years ago, TWA flew to NBO...in the 60's I think.

Correct!
and well into the 1970's

take a look-
http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...aps/TWA%20Compressed/TWmap7306.jpg
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:54 am

Pan Am built most of the airports still operating in Africa and for years was the only carrier serving the entire continent. ROB was the African hub in those days with crew patterns that ran as long as 13 days. One of the station managers for Pan Am at Robert's Field is to this day employed at World Airways. The April 27, 1969 shows flights from JFK to RBA, DKR, ROB, ABJ, ACC, COO, LOS, ABJ, LEO, EBB, NBO, DAR and JNB. Quite a route system.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:37 pm

Teheran was the main hub for PA in the 1960s amd 70s leading up to the Iranian Rev.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 12):
Teheran was the main hub for PA in the 1960s amd 70s leading up to the Iranian Rev.

Yup, a classic scissors hub with flights to Europe, the Middle East, India and Bangkok. I think PA's operation in that part of the world never recovered from losing Tehran as a base.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 11):
Pan Am built most of the airports still operating in Africa and for years was the only carrier serving the entire continent.

PA did build a large amount of airports on Africa's west coast, but it was Imperial Airways, the predecessor of BA, that really drove aviation in Africa at the beginning. Imperial operated two legs into Africa: one to LOS and one to CPT. The flight started at Croydon Field and continued to CDG-Brindisi-ATH-Alexandria-CAI-Assiut-Wadi Halfi-Atbara-Khartoum-Kosti-Malakal-Juba-Entebbe-Kisumu-NBO-Moshi-Dodoma-Mbeya-Mpeka-Broken Hill-Salisbury-Bulawayo-Pietersberg-JNB-Kimberly-Victoria West-CPT. That's right, the 26 stop, same plane service to CPT! Imperial had a route with almost as many stops from Croydon-SIN, which eventually was lengthened to include BNE and SYD as well! The flight to LOS was out of NBO via Kano and one other stop, just cannot find out exactly which stop.

In case anyone is interested, here is a map showing Imperial's African routes:


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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:06 pm

First of all, I don't see how the use of THR has anyhing to do with this thread. Secondly can the two of you elaborate about THR being a "hub" for Pan Am? The term "hub" wasn't even around in the 60's or the 70's. For that matter the only service that went through THR were the round the world flights ( 1 and 2), 3 times a week and flights 118 and 119, 3 times a week. The other 4 days, it terminated at BEY.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:13 pm

Yes. TWA flew to Nairobi in the 60s and early 70s. It was either once or twice weekly, with 707 via Athens.

The Casablanca service was usually via Lisbon.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:27 pm

Ed- Maybe hub was the wrong term. PA had two flights crisscrossing at THR (which is why i used the term scissors hub) where you could easily connect from one to the other.Tehran. Looking at the Spring/Summer 1978 timetable, PA flew:



2 x/week Bangkok PA 2
4x/week Bombay PA 110
1x/week Damascus PA 111
5x/ week Delhi PA 2
Daily Frankfurt PA 1
6x/ week Istanbul PA 111
3x/ week Karachi PA 110

PA 1 continued on to London and JFK
PA 2 continued to Hong Kong and Tokyo
PA 110 terminated at Bombay or Karachi
PA 111 continued to Rome and JFK
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:34 pm

Back in the days of the B-707, TWA had authority to serve several North African cities: Algiers, Tunis, Tripoli, as well as Cairo. And also authority for several cities in East Africa: Nairobi, Dar Es Salam, Addis Ababa, Kampala, and I think even Khartoum. At one point, they were all on the route map, so they may have even been served.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 18):
Back in the days of the B-707, TWA had authority to serve several North African cities: Algiers, Tunis, Tripoli, as well as Cairo. And also authority for several cities in East Africa: Nairobi, Dar Es Salam, Addis Ababa, Kampala, and I think even Khartoum. At one point, they were all on the route map, so they may have even been served.

TWA did operate to Entebe/Kampala, Nairobi & Dar Es Salam several times a week. I believe the flights may have originated at either Rome or Athens.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
With respect to Cairo, TWA served it into the 1990s.

Correct me if I'm wrong.... But it flew JFK-CDG-CAI.... right ?


There was also US Africa who flew IAD-CAI and to JNB from IAD or JFK... I saw them back in 1994 but I wonder when they ceased operations.


concerning ATL-DAK which is purely done as a stop over, does DL have 5th freedom rights between Senegal and South Africa ?

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 14):
The flight started at Croydon Field and continued to CDG

Maybe LeBourget? I really don't know, but want to, its just that I am certain it wasn't CDG since it wasn't around in those days of Imperial....
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:17 am

Anybody knows all the PA propeller routes into Africa? routing, type of aircraft and year or decade of service. Thanks for the data.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:04 am

Just to take this in a slightly different direction...IF PA & TW had (like a lot of others) the escalation of fuel prices in 79 & 80 as well as other factors.and IF
they had ordered 757's to replace the fuel hungry 707's..one could wonder if some of that service would have survived longer at either or both carriers.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 22):
Anybody knows all the PA propeller routes into Africa? routing, type of aircraft and year or decade of service. Thanks for the data.

A February 1956 schedule shows the following:

PA150 Sundays:
NY-Santa Maria (Azores) - LIS - Leopoldville - JNB

PA150 Thursdays:
NY-Santa Maria (Azores) - LIS - DKR - ROB - ACC - Leopoldville - JNB
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 20):
Correct me if I'm wrong.... But it flew JFK-CDG-CAI.... right ?

For a while, then it became JFK-CAI-RUH until AA operated TWA dropped the route after 9/11.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
Maybe LeBourget? I really don't know, but want to, its just that I am certain it wasn't CDG since it wasn't around in those days of Imperial...

You are correct! Couldn't remember Le Bourget's name so just used CDG for Paris in general  Smile Thanks!

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:08 am

Would TWA have been profitable on these routes if they used the 737NG back in the 60s?  Smile
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
With respect to Cairo, TWA served it into the 1990s. Delta also ran Cairo - JFK prior to 9/11 (the flight continued from Cairo to Dubai).

With respect to TWA, they flew to Cairo until the end (2001) when AA AAxed the route, not just into the 1990s. TWA also flew to Tunisia (Tunis) among many other African destinations.
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:57 am

TWA flew JFK ATH EBB NBO DAR.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:20 am

What sort of subsidies (if any) did TWA and Pan Am recieve to fly these routes?
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:24 am

Pan Am didn't receive subsidies to fly these routes in Africa. In fact, they pulled out of many African markets because they were losing money.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:45 am

The shedule at THR was never intended to be a connecting point between 4 Pan Am flights that served it. Those were the days of the O ad D market. BKK was actually the halfway opint on te Round the Wolrd flights 1 and 2, not the finakldestination or the origin of the flights. As for subsidies for the African service, quite the opposite was true. As I stated earlier, Pan Am actually built over half of the airports it flew to in Africa. At one point the routes were profitable but as national carriers began to rise and more direct service became available, the market for Pan Am dropped off considerably.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
Douala, Cotonou, Dar Es Salaam, and Casablanca were also part of the network in the early 70s. Many of these places received only once or twice weekly services with multiple stops enroute. Looking back at a 1972 schedule, JFK-JNB was served twice a week, one with 3 stops enroute and the other with FIVE (5!) stops. Examples of schedules:

PA 184 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Accra-Lagos-Kinshasa-Johannesburg 707
PA 186 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Abidjan-Cotonou-Douala-Libreville 707


Very Aeroflotesque, don't you think? Big grin
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:30 am

Ed- Did Nairobi remain profitable till the end? I know at one point it had fallen to once a week but was built back to 3 times a week. Or did PA just continue to serve NBO to say they had a dot on the African continent?

Also, why did PA only serve Cairo sporadically through the years? Was it a designated TWA market after the 1975 agreement? PA flew to Cairo for a year or two in the 1982 to 1984 time period.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:42 pm



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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 26):
You are correct! Couldn't remember Le Bourget's name so just used CDG for Paris in general Thanks!

Texan

Even though I was about 9 when I flew on Pan Am into Paris from KHI, I'm pretty sure it was Orly not Le Bourget.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:48 am

I flew JFK to LOS and LOS to NBO as a kid with my family in 1979 and 1980 on Pan Am. They used 747's on that route back then and it was a pretty unreliable schedule, flight was delayed by 24 hours due to various delays on the kangaroo route from JFK to Dakar, Monrovia, Accra and then Lagos and onwards to Nairobi before turning back. I think back then it flew only twice a week and would always be a full flight. Pan Am staff called the flight the "mumbo jumbo'.
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
PA 184 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Accra-Lagos-Kinshasa-Johannesburg 707
PA 186 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Abidjan-Cotonou-Douala-Libreville 707

I'd be curious as to the scheduled departure and arrival times for those flights, and for the return flights, if you or someone could do the research...

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 20):
There was also US Africa who flew IAD-CAI and to JNB from IAD or JFK... I saw them back in 1994 but I wonder when they ceased operations.

I know for a fact that USAfrica operated IAD-SID-CPT/JNB. I don't think they ever served CAI. IIRC they were planning to start service out of EWR when they ceased operations, either 1994 or 1995.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 38):
I'd be curious as to the scheduled departure and arrival times for those flights, and for the return flights, if you or someone could do the research...

PA 184 Tuesdays only:
Lv. JFK Tues 1900
Ar. DKR Wed 0635
Lv. DKR Wed 0730
Ar. ROB Wed 0925
Lv. ROB Wed 1030
Ar. ACC Wed 1210
Lv. ACC Wed 1255
Ar. LOS Wed 1450
Lv. LOS Wed 1545
Ar. Kinshasa Wed 1815
Lv. Kinshasa Wed 1905
Ar. JNB Wed 2340

On the above routing, PA had local traffic rights between all the stops except between ACC and LOS.

Return flight: PA 185 Thursdays only:
Lv. JNB Thu 1330
Ar. Kinshasa 1605
Lv. Kinshasa 1700
Ar. LOS Thu 1925
Lv. LOS Thu 2020
Ar. ACC Thu 2010
Lv. ACC Thu 2055
Ar. ROB Thu 2235
Lv. ROB Thu 2330
Ar. DKR Fri 0115
Lv. DKR Fri 0205
Ar. JFK Fri 0600

PA186 Mondays only:
Lv. JFK Mon 1900
Ar. DKR Tue 0635
Lv. DKR Tue 0730
Ar. ROB Tue 0925
Lv. ROB Tue 1030
Ar. Abidjan Tue 1140
Lv. Abidjan Tue 1235
Ar. Cotonou Tue 1450
Lv. Cotonou Tue 1540
Ar. Douala Tue 1705
Lv. Douala Tue 1750
Ar. Libreville Tue 1840

PA187 Wednesdays only:
Lv. Libreville Wed 1615
Ar. Douala Wed 1705
Lv. Douala Wed 1800
Ar. Cotonou Wed 1925
Lv. Cotonou Wed 2015
Ar. Abidjan Wed 2025
Lv. Abidjan Wed 2120
Ar. ROB Wed 2230
Lv. ROB Wed 2330
Ar. DKR Thu 0115
Lv. DKR Thu 0205
Ar. JFK Thu 0600
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting ETStar (Reply 33):

PA 184 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Accra-Lagos-Kinshasa-Johannesburg 707

I flew on that flight NY to J-Burg and back in 1972 on a B707. A very interesting trip. As I recall it took more then 24 hours to complete one way with all of the stops.
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:18 am

Thanks, Panamair for posting those times. Kellmark's next comment dovetails with what I was thinking after I read the actual schedule you posted:

Quoting Kellmark (Reply 41):
As I recall it took more then 24 hours to complete one way with all of the stops.

Quite the adventure if you took the full routing. What would the meal service have been?

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:19 am

In March of 1976, my father and I flew Pan Am 707 JFK-DKR on the first leg of our journey to re-locate to Freetown, Sierra Leone, for an engineering project my Dad was heading up. A night flight, landing very early in Dakar the following morning.

One of the hardest landings I (and my father) had ever experienced! It felt as though the landing gear was going to crash up through the cabin floor.
On the flight, there was an American couple who were re-locating to Senegal for a similar project, and they were allowed to carry on board with them a Siamese kitten (not in a kennel, hand carried!).

The flight crew were nice and professional, except for the purser, a middle aged woman who mainly sat in the back row and smoked and yelled at me for trying to sit in a seat in the back 4 (empty) rows of the plane, so I could get a better vantage of the little tv monitor hanging from the cabin roof showing the moving. The flight could not have been more than a 1/3 full, and when I tried to sit in the 4th row from the back, she took a long drag from her cigarette and said, I kid you not (I was 14 then) "Beat it, kid. These last five rows are for crew only." followed by another big drag from her smoke. I couldn't believe it!

Anyway, back then, Pan Am were still the ambassadors and arrangers for all sorts of things in their more remote stop over points for their travelers. We had an 8 hour layover waiting for our Ghana Airways DC-9 flight, and a Pan Am agent greeted my father and I, took us to the terminal for breakfast, then drove us to town to a hotel for a day room, then brought us back later to catch our Ghana Airways flight. Good luck finding that kind of service today!
And yes, we, as a family, still "dressed" for a flight!
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:19 am

Boy, those were the days. A very good friend of mine was the station manager in ROB during that time frame. He's currently with Wolrd working in Cargo sales. Those flights were 13 day crew patterns. Once you arrived in ROB, you just went back and forth between ROB and alternating JNB and Libreville. Finally on the 13th day you got to go home.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 42):
Quite the adventure if you took the full routing. What would the meal service have been?

Now you want the meal service info too?  Smile

PA184:
JFK-DKR 7:35 Dinner; Juice (that's what the schedule says); Movie
DKR-ROB 1:55 Breakfast
ROB-ACC 1:40 Lunch
ACC-LOS 0:55 Bar Service
LOS-Kinshasa 2:30 Supper
Kinshasa - JNB 3:35 Dinner

PA185:
JNB-Kinshasa 3:35 Snack
Kinshasa-LOS 2:25 Dinner
LOS-ACC 0:50 Bar Service
ACC-ROB 1:40 Dinner
ROB-DKR 1:45 Snack
DKR-JFK 7:55 Snack; Breakfast

Quoting Bcal707 (Reply 43):
The flight crew were nice and professional, except for the purser, a middle aged woman who mainly sat in the back row and smoked and yelled at me for trying to sit in a seat in the back 4 (empty) rows of the plane

There were quite a few PA FAs who only worked these African routes (by choice)..and were often known as The African Queens...
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:02 am

PA 184.....dinner, breakfast, lunch, bar service, dinner, supper.....I'm all over that flight!!!

I'm also impressed with the turnaround times on those flights.....almost all of them under 60 minutes.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:07 pm

Actually the flights were known as the "African Queens", not the F/As. But these were very senior trips. Tom, ref the turn times, don't forget these were just transit flights, not turns.

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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:22 pm

Considering PA served Nairobi until the route sale to Delta, is a maket present for another US airline to fly to NBO. Perhaps even a nonstop to Kenya?
 
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RE: Pan Am/TWA To Africa

Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:03 am

The answer to your question is a resounding "No". There are simply not enough folks out there to warrent any type of non-stop much less direct service between the States and NBO.

Ed
Ed

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