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What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:36 am

I was looking through a 1974 issue of National Geographic today, and saw an ad for CP Air? Judging by the ad itself, I realized they were a Canadian airline. I've never heard of them before, so would like to ask some more information. What were their routes? Did they fly exclusively domestic service? Has anyone had any experience with them?

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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:52 am

The Air division of CP Rail...Canada's private coast-to-coast railroad. I think they became Canadian Airlines for a while, and then got swallowed up by AC.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:55 am

I am sure you'll get a lot of feedback on the history of CP, certainly many folks have very fond memories about CP. And are very mad at how CP generally got the short end of the stick by the Canadian gov't.

Long and short of it was there were at one time 2 major carriers in Canada. Air Canada and CP Air, later called Canadian Airlines. AC was/is based out east with its HQ in Montreal, and CP was based out west in Calgary IIRC. At various times the government in Ottawa poured favor on one carrier at the expense of the other, I suppose many argue that Air Canada was more favored over time.

Basically CP Air was stronger in western Canada and held most of the Canada-Asia market. And AC was stronger in the east with most of the Canada-Europe market. As the Canadian market, and transborder market, was deregulated CP Air was not able to compete as effectively as AC was. By 2000 CP was merged into Air Canada.


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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:17 am

CP started out as Canadian Pacific Airlines, and I'm pretty sure flew DH Comets in the 50s for a brief time. HQ was in Vancouver (I think). Pacific Western Airlines in Calgary merged with Wardair, and then eventually that company merged with CP Air to become Canadian Airlines International. AC finally sucked them up making us a one-airline country until West Jet et al came along.

The old CP Air operated some good sized aircract -- 747, DC-10, 767, 727 -- in its hey day.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:29 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
The old CP Air operated some good sized aircract -- 747, DC-10, 767, 727 -- in its hey day.

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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:40 pm

I remember seeing their offices in DEL (late 80s/early 90s), but I presume they never operated there.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 2):
And are very mad at how CP generally got the short end of the stick by the Canadian gov't.

Long and short of it was there were at one time 2 major carriers in Canada. Air Canada and CP Air, later called Canadian Airlines. AC was/is based out east with its HQ in Montreal, and CP was based out west in Calgary IIRC. At various times the government in Ottawa poured favor on one carrier at the expense of the other, I suppose many argue that Air Canada was more favored over time.

Basically CP Air was stronger in western Canada and held most of the Canada-Asia market. And AC was stronger in the east with most of the Canada-Europe market. As the Canadian market, and transborder market, was deregulated CP Air was not able to compete as effectively as AC was. By 2000 CP was merged into Air Canada.

This is incorrect in several ways. CP Air was the airline division of Canadian Pacific, a Cdn multi-national. It was bought by PWA (a regional 737 carrier)..The MERGED carrier (under the management and ownership of PWA) was renamed Canadian (retaining the CP code).

CP Ltd sold CP Air to PWA in 1987. CP Air was solvent (although not very profitable) thru-out its existence. It was the larger PWA (after absorbing CP Air) which later came close to bankruptcy and was bought by AC.

Be careful in discussing CP Air and using the code CP. The 2 are NOT synonymous.

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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:57 pm

I have very fond memories of seeing their beautiful DC-10-30's at MAN as a child. It was a livery you didn't forget in a hurry!  Smile


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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 7):
I have very fond memories of seeing their beautiful DC-10-30's at MAN as a child

don't forget the DC-8 as well! Those looked brilliant in CP colours. MAN got all three longhaul types when CP was operating there.

Pacific Western was another regular with their 707 fleet doing both freight and passenger flights.
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Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:52 pm

CP Air was a late branch of a Railroad empire, as was said before, and there was also an important shipping line as well. The Canadian Pacific liners (ships) were all called Princess. Princess of this, Princess of that. Lots of immigrant traffic in the early 20th century.

As far as airplanes are concerned, in the 50s, they had a subdued livery with a nice goose, and then that CRAZY orange, red and polished metal at an angle, which made 747, DC-8s and DC-10s look bigger, scarier and sometimes dirtier than any other livery.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
The Air division of CP Rail

This is totally an aside, but I noticed in the pix of the thread that the logo on the planes is the same as that of the locomotives in the movie "Silver Streak" with Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder... which would make sense, since I heard somewhere that although the movie was supposed to be taking place on a trans-US trip, much of it was filmed in Canada.

Were they both under the same parent company, and if so, which venture did they get into first, the rail or the air? (Rail would make sense, but...)

I should probably just go google this, but I think it's an interesting side note to the conversation.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 9):
and there was also an important shipping line as well

For what it is worth, CPShips is still around. Nowadays part of the Hapag Lloyd family, which itself is part of the TUI group (HapagFLY, ArkeFLY, ThomsonFLY etc).

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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting Wukka (Reply 10):
This is totally an aside, but I noticed in the pix of the thread that the logo on the planes is the same as that of the locomotives in the movie "Silver Streak" with Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder... which would make sense, since I heard somewhere that although the movie was supposed to be taking place on a trans-US trip, much of it was filmed in Canada.

Funny, you should mention that. I noticed the same thing when the movie was first released. The locomotives were all CP Rail. The exterior shots were CP Rail cars with a different logo placed over the CP logo.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 12):
Funny, you should mention that. I noticed the same thing when the movie was first released. The locomotives were all CP Rail. The exterior shots were CP Rail cars with a different logo placed over the CP logo.

Thanks for verifying my non-craziness (at least in this topic)  Smile Didn't the pax cars have some double-arrow thing that was similar to the > in the CP livery, but not quite the "standard" logo?

I'm going to go have to Netflix that movie just out of curiosity now!

Nonetheless, it's great to see that CP logo on a plane, although now defunct... planes and trains, both marvels.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 8):
Pacific Western was another regular with their 707 fleet doing both freight and passenger flights

On a charter basis from 1969 to 1980. They never obtained scheduled status for anything beyond North America...Seattle was PWA's only international destination.
The Pacific Western 707 fleet was made up of 2 ex-QANTAS -138B variants and 2 -300 Freight haulers.

Remember the -138B was a mod of the -100, shortened fuselage, longer range for the special requirements of QANTAS.

Pacific Western bought these ships with the route to Grand Cayman in mind...but used them other places as well. (UK/Europe)
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
The old CP Air operated some good sized aircract -- 747, DC-10, 767, 727 -- in its hey day

Before PWA purchase CP Air, CP Air didn't operate 767s just the 747s and DC-10 along with 727s and DC-8 and 737s.
 
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:41 am

Long time ago when I came to Canada as an immigrant I flew from HKG to YVR on CP Air 747-200 in early 70s then I flew on AC, didn't know what a/c it was.
 
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:56 am

This is my first time placing a picture in here so please bare with me, I hope I understand how to do it. Found the picture of 737 in CP Air colour

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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 15):
Before PWA purchase CP Air, CP Air didn't operate 767s just the 747s and DC-10 along with 727s and DC-8 and 737s.

True, but CP Air did order 4 762's. The order was later cancelled in exchange for 732/733 aircraft.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:25 am

Thank you all for the information. Now I have some sort of idea on who they were! Thanks a lot!

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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 2):
Long and short of it was there were at one time 2 major carriers in Canada. Air Canada and CP Air, later called Canadian Airlines. AC was/is based out east with its HQ in Montreal, and CP was based out west in Calgary IIRC. At various times the government in Ottawa poured favor on one carrier at the expense of the other, I suppose many argue that Air Canada was more favored over time.

This raises another question: What about Wardair? They had several large types in the inventory, incl. 742s and 707-300s, IIRC. Did they get merged into AC as well?
 
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Wukka (Reply 13):
Didn't the pax cars have some double-arrow thing that was similar to the > in the CP livery, but not quite the "standard" logo?

First, just FYI, CP Rail still exists: http://www8.cpr.ca/cms/English/default.htm

They're now just going by Canadian Pacific Railway (that's what "CP" stood for anyway). Their locomotives and cars still say "CP" on them, though, although the logo has been updated (I think it's just text now). They still have one passenger train, although it's a historical train, not like Silver Streak-era stuff (except for the locomotives): http://www8.cpr.ca/cms/English/RCP/default.htm

As for Silver Streak, yeah, that was all CP Rail equipment, with decals placed over the CP Rail wordmarks. The logos were basically left intact, though, which would never happen today. Supposedly the producers actually wanted to film in the United States but Amtrak was fearful of the image they'd get from the film. That's also why they went with that non-existent "Amroad" name for the carrier - it was supposed to be in the US, not Canada, so they couldn't just call it CP Rail. I guess if they'd managed to get Amtrak on board they would have just left it Amtrak in the film.

They were probably better off going with CP Rail, though, because Amtrak was in a sorry state of affairs at the time Silver Streak was shot.

One cool thing about that film is that there were basically no special effects shots. Everything you see at the end of that film was done full-sized, either with real equipment or full-size mockups (the train crashing through the station was a specially built locomotive nose on a forklift, but the engine in the station itself was a real engine, and the station was also real). There were no models used and most of the filming was done on location. The producers had to pay to repaint the locomotive they used because it was damaged during filming.

Anyway, that's probably enough off-topic info for ya...
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 20):
What about Wardair? They had several large types in the inventory, incl. 742s and 707-300s, IIRC. Did they get merged into AC as well?

WD was bought by Canadian in 1989.
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:11 am

I missed the opportunity to fly CP Air back in 1986 during Expo '86. I ended up flying CX over CP because I wanted to fly on a 747. I had other opportunities to fly on CP but ended up flying to SEA than YVR. Damn!
 
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:06 am

I flew CP on HKG-YVR-YYZ in 1987. Nice plane. I wish Canadian Airlines would stay a little longer. Its sad that Air Canada took over Canadian Airlines.  Sad
 
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:10 am

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Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:29 am

I have extremely fond memories of CP Air, as my family immigrated to Canada in 1974, flying from Hong Kong to Vancouver on CP Air to begin our new life in Canada.  bigthumbsup 

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Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Wukka (Reply 13):
Didn't the pax cars have some double-arrow thing that was similar to the > in the CP livery

It wasn't just any double-arrow thing. The > in Canadi>n is there because Canada is of course bilingual (Not everyone speaks English and French, but signs and such are often in both). If you spoke English, the > could be interpreted as an "a" as in Canadian. If you spoke French, the > could be interpreted as an "e" as in Canadien.

Canadian was one of my favorite airlines and I was really sad to see it go. I still kind of resent Air Canada for it. IMHO, I think Air Canada doesn't take YVR very seriously.
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 9):
The Canadian Pacific liners (ships) were all called Princess. Princess of this, Princess of that. Lots of immigrant traffic in the early 20th century.

Think it was Empress, not princess. I emigrated to Canada from the UK on the Empress of Scotland. Airplanes hadn't been invented yet.
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:54 am

CPAir was the airline that Grant McConachie had such a hand in during its fledgling days. I've got a superb biography of him....."Bush Pilot With A Briefcase", written by Ronald A. Keith.

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Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 27):
Canadian was one of my favorite airlines and I was really sad to see it go. I still kind of resent Air Canada for it. IMHO, I think Air Canada doesn't take YVR very seriously.

AC773, I agree with you on both counts. Canadian was one of my favorite airlines and Air Canada seems not care about Vancouver. Air Canada's focus is YYZ, new route development ex Vancouver is usually on the back burner but yet they will not allow any other carrier in to develop the route.
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:40 pm

Hello Stirling.

Thanks for putting the picture up. What did I do wrong, did I miss something? I need to know from what I did so I can understand.
 
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 28):
Think it was Empress, not princess. I emigrated to Canada from the UK on the Empress of Scotland. Airplanes hadn't been invented yet.

You are correct. CP's largest liners were Empresses. The first were used in Trans-Pacific service starting in !891. The CPR trans-continental railway had been completed in 1887. North Atlantic service started in 1904. Some of the Empresses were Britain, Scotland, Ireland, Australia and India. I believe the airline started out as Canadian Airways. The Canadian Pacific name seems to have come into use during WW2.

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Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:53 pm

Quoting Wukka (Reply 13):
Thanks for verifying my non-craziness (at least in this topic) Didn't the pax cars have some double-arrow thing that was similar to the > in the CP livery, but not quite the "standard" logo?

Ahh, the famous (by railroad spotters) "Pacman" logo of CP  Smile
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Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 27):
It wasn't just any double-arrow thing....If you spoke English, the > could be interpreted as an "a" as in Canadian. If you spoke French, the > could be interpreted as an "e" as in Canadien.

Thanks for that info! I always wondered about that on the "Canadi>n" livery, but now that you mention that, it makes perfect sense.

What I was referring to was specific to the movie "Silver Streak" (that I derailed this thread with), was that I thought that the "real" CP logo on the pax cars were stickered over with something like a double >> on both ends for Trademark/Copyright issues, even though the locos left the logo pretty much intact. Again, I need to Netflix the movie and verify.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 33):
Ahh, the famous (by railroad spotters) "Pacman" logo of CP

Yeah... my girlfriend is about ready to kick me in the rear because I'm starting to get into railfanning as well. Between the two, I think I'm wasting way too much time... but dammit, it's cool!  Smile
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
and I'm pretty sure flew DH Comets in the 50s for a brief time.

VERY brief time! Their one and only crashed in Karachi on it's delivery flight. (It was destined to Sydney, where it was supposed to operate SYD-NAN-HNL. It didnt' have the range for HNL-YVR, that leg would be operated by Northstars (a DC4 varient)). After the crash CP cancelled the remaining orders and didn't operate jets until the DC8s arrived some years later.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
Pacific Western Airlines in Calgary merged with Wardair, and then eventually that company merged with CP Air to become Canadian Airlines International.

Not quite. PWA bought CP Air and became Canadi>n, then bought Wardair.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 5):
I remember seeing their offices in DEL (late 80s/early 90s), but I presume they never operated there.

No, but had a lot of interline traffic via HKG, TYO and AMS.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 8):
don't forget the DC-8 as well!

Including the only commercial aircraft to ever intentionally break the spead of sound. It was the Empress of Buenos Airies a DC8-43. Sorry don't remeber the registration or fin number (601?).

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 9):
The Canadian Pacific liners (ships) were all called Princess.

Empresses, as noted above. Most of CP's aircraft were also Empresses.

Quoting Wukka (Reply 34):
the "real" CP logo

The CP logo, used by all branches of the Canadian Pacific empire was a Square overlaided with a circle overlaid with a triangle (you can't see the square very well on the fin of the aircraft - but it is there. The square designated stability, the circle the globe and the triangle (arrow) progress.) (Now how's that for useless trivia!)
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 32):
The proper way is: photoid:6377 with < to begin and > at the end

Oh ok thank you. I guess when I look at HELP site i didn't scroll down further.
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:31 am

Also more useless trivia:

You are correct with respect to the > in Canadi>n. It satisfied both the Anglo and Franco Canadians/Canadiens.

However .... the actual logo for Canadian Airlines was ingenious. The logo itself was five grey bars (for the five continents served) with the red motion mark on top.

What makes it ingenious is it satisfies another sensitive issue; If you look at the logo and squint one way, you would see the old CP logo. But, if you squinted the other way (it's an art  Smile) you would see the old PWA logo. So everyone was happy, as they thought it was their component airline's logo which was the surviving logo!
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 32):
Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 17):
[img]http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0006377/M/[img]

The proper way is: photoid:6377 with < to begin and > at the end.

That is the preferred way to post pics of images from A.Net. However, you can display any image hosted on the internet using the [img] tags. But you made two mistakes. First, the url must link to the image itself (so will typically in .jpg), not the webpage that hosts the image (which is what you did). Secondly, you forgot the slash in the second [/img] tag.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 28):
Think it was Empress, not princess. I emigrated to Canada from the UK on the Empress of Scotland. Airplanes hadn't been invented yet.

Didn't CP name their planes Empress of (city name)? I remember flying BOS-YYZ and I think our plane on the front had Empress, kinda like Pan Am with Clipper. Shame to see CP go, they were a great airline and the goose was the best livery in the sky, tied only with the TWA's final globe. Oh the memories...
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting ANother (Reply 35):
The CP logo, used by all branches of the Canadian Pacific empire was a Square overlaided with a circle overlaid with a triangle (you can't see the square very well on the fin of the aircraft - but it is there. The square designated stability, the circle the globe and the triangle (arrow) progress.) (Now how's that for useless trivia!)

Excellent! Thanks much for the info! It looks like they got rid of the square somewhere along the line, though, even on the rail side.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=5875

There's no distinct square on either the locos or the rolling stock.
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting Wukka (Reply 40):
It looks like they got rid of the square somewhere along the line

It didn't change - but due to the other colours etc the square wasn't completely there on aircraft, trains and trucks (etc.) Have a look here (scroll down to the bottom - after the beavers) and the square is obvious. (Funny they used the CP Air "Orange" and not CP Rail "Red" - each branch had a different colour)
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:19 pm

CP stands for Canadian Pacific. I flew with them in the early late 1970s on a stretch DC-8 from Amsterdam to Montreal. They were a good airline. They flew from Canada to a few European cities like Rome, Athens and Amsterdam, to South America and Asia and Australia. Also domestic in Canada.
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:24 pm

CP Air livery was for sure one of the best ever. Even today it would look modern. That says a lot. When they transformed to become Canadian Airlines, the livery changed to a somewhat tacky version of BAs Landor scheme.
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting NA (Reply 43):
When they transformed to become Canadian Airlines

I think that happened one or two years earlier. I was still with them in 1985 (and they were bought out in '86) and I remember hearing of our first repainted DC10 arriving in AMS. Apparently the cleaning crew was sent out to the gate, came back because the could only find a BA airplane! Had to be sent again and told to read the name on the side! I would guess late '84 when they went to the more 'business' friendly colour scheme.
 
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:33 am

Just some context for you non-Canadians, the Canadian Pacific Railroad was the first trans-con RR in Canada, and holds a place in our nation's history much like the Union Pacific does for the USA. If any of you are interested in a more detailed account I suggest reading "The Last Spike" by Pierre Berton.

In addition to the railroad, the CP steamship line, and (later) the airline, Canadian Pacific also had a chain of superb hotels, including the Banff Springs, Royal York, and Chateaux Lake Louise, Frontenac, Laurier, and Montebello (among others). These are now owned by the Fairmont chain.

Quoting ANother (Reply 35):
Including the only commercial aircraft to ever intentionally break the spead of sound. It was the Empress of Buenos Airies a DC8-43. Sorry don't remeber the registration or fin number (601?).

Say what?! I'd like to hear more about this!
 
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Smokescreen (Reply 45):
Say what?! I'd like to hear more about this!

Courtesy of Wikipedia.

Quote:
One historical oddity associated with the early DC-8s is that the first airliner to exceed the speed of sound (albeit in a shallow dive) was actually a DC-8, on August 21, 1961 at Edwards Air Force Base. The aircraft in question was a DC-8-43 later delivered to Canadian Pacific Air Lines as CF-CPG.

The aircraft was broken up long ago, but while it was in service it had a plaque on the bulkhead noting this feat. I flew it a few times ...

[Edited 2006-02-13 18:41:34]
 
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 46):
Quote:
One historical oddity associated with the early DC-8s is that the first airliner to exceed the speed of sound (albeit in a shallow dive) was actually a DC-8, on August 21, 1961 at Edwards Air Force Base. The aircraft in question was a DC-8-43 later delivered to Canadian Pacific Air Lines as CF-CPG.

The aircraft was broken up long ago, but while it was in service it had a plaque on the bulkhead noting this feat. I flew it a few times ...

Nice! Put that in your pipe and smoke it, TU-144/Concorde!
 
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:12 pm

CP was a nice airline. I flew it between YHZ and YYC. Unlike U.S. carriers, it had full audio and video on their 737-200s. Their "picnic lunches" were served in real wicker baskets, as opposed to AA's blue plastic baskets.
 
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RE: What Was CP Air?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 48):
CP was a nice airline. I flew it between YHZ and YYC. Unlike U.S. carriers, it had full audio and video on their 737-200s.

CP's B737-200's were unusual in that they flew a lot of transcon flights, YYZ-YVR, YYZ-YYC, YYZ-YEG, YUL-YYC, YUL-YVR, et al. I am sure some of the longest B737-200 flights around, as YUL-YVR was 5:50 block to block.

To do these flights, the aircraft were heavier than normal B737-200s, at 128,400 lbs. As mentioned, they were equipped with audio and video, also they had a third lav. Further, some even had a fourth fuel tank, in the forward part of the aft cargo hold, (A Boeing mod) to facilitate the longer legs.

In the early 80s, along with some B737-300s, they were also involved in a product entitled "Attache". The Attache B737-200s were configured in an 8 First, and 60 Business configuration and flew transcon flights.


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