chrisjake
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AA Pilot Arrested At EGCC For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:42 am

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10681815/

looks like this just happened today. it doesnt say what exactly tipped people off that he was drunk. we'll see what happens.


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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:46 am

Apparently he was caught drunk before boarding the flight. I believe it was airport personnel. There were 3 pilots involved (questioned). I believe he was the only one "intoxicated".
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:52 am

sorry, Chrisjake beat me to it (post)  ouch 
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:14 am

How could you be so DUMB - this is assuming that he was really drunk pending a investigation.
I know people can have alcohol problems and they are difficult to deal with, but when your job has such well established, reasoned and strict rules as to alcohol use and that you very well may get caught, then you deserve to be removed from working there until you get staightened out or if fail to do so, get fired.
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:15 am

It sounds like this pilot should be attending "AA" meetings in the future and I'm not talking American Airlines.
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:34 am

He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic.

Quoting Philly phlyer (Reply 5):
It sounds like this pilot should be attending "AA" meetings in the future and I'm not talking American Airlines.

Lame...  Sad
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:10 am

"He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic."

Drunk = Intoxicated. DUI = Driving under the Influence. DWI = Driving while intoxicated. It's all the same. If you are over .08 when driving, you are legally drunk, or intoxicated. They are synonyms.

As far as being stupid, you bet it is, but people who drink like that have an illness, an addiction, and when they drink, they are not using their entire brain function, as if we didn't already know this.

This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:19 am

What an idiot.


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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 7):
This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.

If it turns out he was over the limit, no it isn't sad at all.

There are rules. He was about to fly a plane with over 200 people on board. Turning up to fly the plane when over the limit is a gross abuse of his position of trust, so I would not feel sorry for him at all. In fact I would be glad that a bad apple has been removed from the AA barrel.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 10):
If it turns out he was over the limit, no it isn't sad at all.

Yes it is sad. It's sad that a relatively young man in a position of great responsibility is driven, for whatever reason, to risk everything in this way. There can be no condoning what he has done but it is a very sad situation indeed.
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic

Who's to say he is an alcoholic? He could just be stupid. If, in fact, he is an alcoholic, it is sad for him, but he deserves what he gets. His family probably knew of his problems and allowed him to "get by" without getting help. This is ass-u-ming they knew. Friends or family generally know and do not do anything. Along with himself, they have caused him to lose his career.

The union, AA and I am sure other organizations he is affiliated with offer rehab programs. There is really no excuse; alcoholism, stupidity or otherwise that can justify anything like this happening.

Going from Ohio to a UK prison will wake him up.

Some of you guys/gals probably know someone like this. Maybe you should call them up and tell them they have a problem before they lose their family, career, money and otherwise. Sure, they probably won't do anything about it, but you tried. It's the best/least you can do in a situation like this. Look for signs, drinking alone, daily, drinking to get drunk, going to work intoxicated (no matter how much or little), driving drunk, parents or other family members that are alcoholics. If you suspect they have a problem, they probably do.

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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 7):
If you are over .08 when driving, you are legally drunk, or intoxicated.

Actually, that depends on where you are.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:37 am

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 6):
This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.

Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offed the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA. If he declines the rehab then he will be fired or if this is his second time he will be fired. He never operated the plane so he really hasn't broken any laws that I know of. I know that some times crew members who are drunk will some times say they are sick and not fly.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Chrisjake (Thread starter):
AA Pilot Arrested At EGCC For Being Drunk

Why do people risk their whole careers for Alcohol?? I am glad that will
never be the reason why I ever get fired.

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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:50 am

If alcohol disrupts your profession then that means that you're having problems with it.


I hope AA don't fire this pilot, they should help him.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 14):
I hope AA don't fire this pilot, they should help him.



Quoting Reins485 (Reply 12):
Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offered the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA. If he declines the rehab then he will be fired or if this is his second time he will be fired.

It generally only works if you ask for help before you get caught. See below, the FAA will have his license before too long.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Actually, that depends on where you are

According to the FAA it is .04, and FAA does not depend on where you are. It also has some "under the influence" terminology. Under the influence of alcohol could be one drink.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/e...rs/8700/volume2/media/2_044_03.pdf

In addition, the FAA can suspend your flying license for get a DUI in a motor vehicle. AA won't keep him employed without a flying license. He deserves to be fired. The bad press is enough. Unless he is found not guilty, he should lose his job and pilot's license. It's bad enough the amount of people killed in motor vehicle accidents because of alcohol.

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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:31 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 5):
He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic.

Quoting Philly phlyer (Reply 5):
It sounds like this pilot should be attending "AA" meetings in the future and I'm not talking American Airlines.

Lame...

Sorry that you find my comment lame, however, as a person who flies commercially about 200k miles per year, I have no use for a commercial pilot who tries to fly when he obviously has not followed the rules regarding drinking within a set time period prior to his or her flight. He or she either has a serious lack of judgment or disregard for the rules. Either one disqualifies them from the cockpit of a commercial airliner with passengers trusting their lives in their hands.
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:39 am

I am not going to make any assumptions about this man from an article whose title is:

"Pilot arrested, suspected of drunkenness"

and the article specifically states:

"He was released on bail pending the results of tests and was due to report to a Manchester police station Tuesday, a police spokesman said."

He is guilty of nothing yet, but so many people are acting like he's been tried and convicted when the article says we won't know until Tuesday when he reports to the police station in Manchester.

Quit slandering this man until they give an official report which includes hard facts!

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 15):
It generally only works if you ask for help before you get caught.

Even then there is a very good chance the FAA will suspend your medical license if you and your doctors/counselors cannot provide all the information, records, and files that they request. I've seen it happen and it's not pretty.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:19 am

Why don't we all calm down and wait till we find out if he was intoxicated or not?
Why bother arguing about whether he IS or WAS or WASN'T intoxicated? We have no idea.....don't condemn the man before the facts are out. Let's wait for the facts before we condemn him to the scrapheap. If you're a GMPA officer then feel free to tell us the facts, if you're not then please just relax and wait for the results.

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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Philly Phlyer (Reply 16):
as a person who flies commercially about 200k miles per year

spare us that useless information please....

doesnt matter if you fly once a year or 1 zillion billion, the result is the same
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 12):
Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offed the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA.

As someone who worked for American Airlines as a crew member I am very familiar with their Drug and Alcohol policy. I hate to tell you this but you are wrong. If you are caught violating these rules there is no second chance. AA will help you get help if you come to them BEFORE getting caught only.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 19):
spare us that useless information please....

doesnt matter if you fly once a year or 1 zillion billion, the result is the same

 checkmark 

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 19):

 checkmark 

Any updates on the results of the tests?
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:49 pm

Boy, I hope none of you guys ever serve on a jury. I guess the whole notion of "innocent until proven guilty" isn't something any of you subscribe too.
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 22):
Boy, I hope none of you guys ever serve on a jury. I guess the whole notion of "innocent until proven guilty" isn't something any of you subscribe too.

Obviously you didn't take the time to read DCrawley's post or my own.  Smile

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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:11 pm

OMG, I am doing this flight soon, I hope they lock his ass in jail for at least until I come back (if hes guilty that is)!! What a boozer (if hes guilty), now we all know why AA doesnt serve booze on flights, its all up front (if hes guilty)!!
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 12):
He never operated the plane so he really hasn't broken any laws that I know of

Yes but he intended to. They call this intent. If I take a legal hunting gun and position myself at the threshold of a runway (in public space) then aim at an approaching aircraft and begin to pull the trigger, and then get stopped by the police. Can I argue that I haven't broken any laws? I was on my way to hunt deer!


Let him suffer. He should be smart enough to know not to drink X amount of hours before flying.
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Actually, that depends on where you are.

In order for states to receieve Federal Highway Funds, all did or must, amend their max BAT to .008.

If it's anything higher, they face losing Federal Highway funding. I know of no state that hasn't complied. . . doesn't mean that's the case however.

Obviously, it's different in other countries.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:59 pm

The refusal of some members to condemn the pilot in question without all the facts is very admirable and for that they have my respect.

That said, whether or not the pilot was intoxicated is not really in question for me. I saw him and he could barely stand upright.

He was stopped at the transfer security point in Terminal 3 because he had no ID badge on, and it was apparently when he put his bag down to look for it that it was first noticed as he was in no state to even open his bag (how he had managed to pack it that morning remains somewhat unclear). Police were called and AA staff in ops were notified and then the rest is known. His ID badge was later found in his hotel room.

The investigation that is being conducted will be to determine whether there were any mitigating factors involved, for example a bad reaction with alcohol to any medication he was taking (in which case he should have been more careful) or whether his drink was spiked in the hotel.

It seems some people can see the funny side: when informed that all passengers were aboard and the flight was ready to depart, the captain of today's AA 157 remarked "well, I'll drink to that!"
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:16 pm

That explains that then. I was at MAN viewing park yesterday morning. The AA flight to Miami left but no AA055 to ORD. I left just before midday so it sounds that I just missed it
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 6):
DWI = Driving while intoxicated. It's all the same. I

My Webster says INTOXICATE....TO MAKE DRUNK...
I noticed that the AA pilots haven't, at least yet, get as much publicity as the NW pilots a few years ago or the America West Pilots in Florida a couple of years back. So, who does AA know in the media to keep the lid on this ....so far?
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:40 am

Just got off the phone with my uncle. Apparently he checked out the pilot in question almost 2 yrs ago.

Unfortunately the AA pilot was DRUNK, and my uncle is headed to DFW for some inquistion meeting regarding the pilot in question.

Beyond me why a pilot that worked SOOOOOOOOOO hard would risk this.
Guess he's an alcholic...

Anyways, this guy is likely canned, and my uncle will be at DFW on Monday night, then to ORD to fly ORD-MAN-ORD on 763.

Bummer grander for the pilots family.  Sad
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 29):
My Webster says INTOXICATE....TO MAKE DRUNK...
I noticed that the AA pilots haven't, at least yet, get as much publicity as the NW pilots a few years ago or the America West Pilots in Florida a couple of years back. So, who does AA know in the media to keep the lid on this ....so far?
safe

That is why there is DUI now, driving under the influence. Influence could range from one drink, one snort, one puff or anything.

He will have his day in court, no one here has convicted him or otherwise. I am sure all these people expect him to have a fair trial amongst his peers. This is a discussion forum. That is what we are doing. So, your opinion is that we should not have an opinion, a bit of irony? While you are defending him, you should be fighting to have a change of venue to Ohio, much closer to his peer group than a group from Manchester.

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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:03 am

"Quote Catatonic"

OMG, I am doing this flight soon, I hope they lock his ass in jail for at least until I come back (if hes guilty that is)!! What a boozer (if hes guilty), now we all know why AA doesnt serve booze on flights, its all up front (if hes guilty)!!

Unquote...

You assume that this pilot flies only this route?

  

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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting Catatonic (Reply 24):
now we all know why AA doesnt serve booze on flights

Huh?  confused 
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 31):

All I did was define the word.....just like lawyers will.
And made a comment that is, well, worth discussion to some.The more opinions the merrier.
Outside of that, I have absolutly no idea what you are talking about. "Hep" me please.
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 31):
While you are defending him, you should be fighting to have a change of venue to Ohio, much closer to his peer group than a group from Manchester.

What do you mean by this??
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 31):
While you are defending him, you should be fighting to have a change of venue to Ohio, much closer to his peer group than a group from Manchester.

What a stupid idea, if he turned up for work in the UK under the influence, then the crime was committed in the UK, and so he should be tried in the UK. Its so simple only an idiot would have it any other way!
 
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RE: AA Pilot Arrested At Egcc For Being Drunk

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:32 am

He got canned. Bummer grande!

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