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Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:12 am

hey a.netters!! What routes do you think US will/can use their new E-190's on? Can they open up new transcons/midcons from PIT,CLT.PHL,FLL? Like maybe PHL-PDX,OAK,YVR? PIT-SAN,SFO,SJU,CUN with increased frequencies? FLL-LAX,LAS,BDL,BWI,POS? Tell me what you guys think and give me input  Smile
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:21 am

I'd like to see some new routes from LAS or PHX personally. Prefrably to small to midsized east coast markets that dont currently have direct service but substantial O&D to the West Coast.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:30 am

I doubt that they will be running transcons with the Embraers. They're just not set up for that kind of long leg. But they can and will displace 737s and Airbuses on some midcons resulting in greater Airbus capacity for transcon service.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 2):
They're just not set up for that kind of long leg.

But they are set up for that kind of leg, why do you thing that they are not?

Details and Facts please.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:55 am

Maybe they will pull some of the B733 routes out of ORD in favor of the E190s?
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:59 am

I would imagine the longest CR9, and underperforming 733 routes will be added first, or a combination of the two. the CR9's have already replaced quite a bit of 733 flying.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:10 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 3):
But they are set up for that kind of leg, why do you thing that they are not?

Details and Facts please.

Isnt the CASM higher for an E190 to do a transcon then a 733/319?
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:12 am

I'd vote for BUR-PHX myself.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 6):
Isnt the CASM higher for an E190 to do a transcon then a 733/319?

Yeah probably, but if the route can support a full E90, versus a 30-empty-seat A319, the E90 is more profitable to run.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 3):
But they are set up for that kind of leg, why do you thing that they are not?

Details and Facts please.

Want a fact? Here's a fact: the EMB-190 doesn't have the range for true transcon flights. PHL-SFO is 2,521 miles. An EMB-190AR trying to do that route would run out of gas somewhere east of Carson City.

More fundamentally, any plane, taken to the extreme edges of its payload-range envelope, gets out of its economical envelope. It makes much more sense to put these planes on midcons like PHL-DFW, CLT-YYZ and PHX-MEM, that are now served by a mix of mainline jets and RJs. Those mainline jets will be freed up to run transcons and the RJs will go back to routes they're suited for.

They'll also open up new midcon routes from both West and East coasts - think PHX-BNA, PIT-DEN.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 9):


They'll also open up new midcon routes from both West and East coasts - think PHX-BNA, PIT-DEN.

PIT-DEN has been "opened up" for quite some time on US, and UA.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:54 am

Sure, and PHX-BNA has been opened up on WN. But the market will be opened up with more frequency. Sorry for mixing my metaphors there  Embarrassment

US can pull the single daily A320 off and replace it with two daily EMB-190s. That A320 can then be reallocated to, say, another PIT-SFO flight.

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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 11):
US can pull the single daily A320 off and replace it with two daily EMB-190s. That A320 can then be reallocated to, say, another PIT-SFO flight.

Which is going daily later this year  Smile What are some other markets? Maybe the return of US mainline service to STL? Or MCI, AUS or maybe even XNA
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 11):
US can pull the single daily A320 off and replace it with two daily EMB-190s. That A320 can then be reallocated to, say, another PIT-SFO flight.

US Doesn't operate an A320 PHX-BNA, they onl serve BNA from CLT, PIT and PHL.

America West could upgrade their CRJ service from MEM-PHX though.

The point I was making earlier is that the ER170-195 can support 3+ hour (Near Transcon) segments everyday.

Shuttle America is doing CMH-SLC for instance and SLC-IND. AC is using their 175's for longer distance flights.

The point is the 170-195 familiy can open up many 1500 NM + routes with much better service and amenities than CRJ7/9
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:42 am

MD90fan, I would really not be shocked to see some of this sort of service open up, for one big reason:

All the stations are in place.

US now has equipment, ground staff and infrastructure in all these West Coast stations, and vice versa for HP. One of the most expensive and risky parts of starting new service is getting the ground side going - gate leases, new employee hires, handling equipment, etc. Well, now US/HP combined have ground staff in lots of stations across the country - if HP wants to fly PHX-BNA, all they have to do is send the plane and the US ground staff will handle it. Same for a US flight CLT-AUS.

Connecting the dots is, IMO, a matter of time.

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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 13):
US Doesn't operate an A320 PHX-BNA, they onl serve BNA from CLT, PIT and PHL.

I was talking about Tornado's mention of PIT-DEN, currently served 1x A320.  Wink

Yes, all those 1,000-1,500 mile segments are exactly what I'm talking about - those are "midcons," not transcons.  Smile
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:44 am

AC is planning some pretty long legs with their 190's, saw on another thread they are soon starting YYZ-SEA for instance.

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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:12 pm

My suggestion would be to keep these out of the Florida market. That would
IMO be a waste of the aircraft's economical benefits. Although I could see
it used on flights to MIA since those fares seem to be much higher than the
ones to TPA,MCO,PBI,JAX,and FLL. (maybe DCA-MIA/ PIT-MIA).

But for the potentional new routes:
1. CLT-AUS/ SAT/ MSP/ YUL/ YYZ/ MKE/ COS/ ABQ/ TUS
2. PHX-IND/ CLE/ CVG/ BNA/ OMA/ YVR/ YYZ
3. PIT-MSP/ DFW/ IAH/ MSY
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 13):
US Doesn't operate an A320 PHX-BNA, they onl serve BNA from CLT, PIT and PHL.

PIT-BNA was dropped last schd cut. The now run 3x a day on a 170 out of DCA.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:33 pm

I would give my left testicle to have the PIT-MCI flight back! I'm sick of having to make PIT-PHL-MCI with PHL-MCI on a CR7.  hissyfit 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:03 pm

Seems like a perfect plane for markets like OKC, AUS, SAT, ICT...that currently are RJ-heavy. A lot of potential passengers are lost in these markets purely out of the desire to fly in a more comfortable aircraft.

PDX-PHL, by the way, will definitely be on an A319, if anything else it will be an A320 if the market warrants. There is just too much demand and LOTS of freight going in that direction. The PDX-PHX runs on the other hand may see some E190 action. PDX-LAS may be even better.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 19):
I would give my left testicle to have the PIT-MCI flight back! I'm sick of having to make PIT-PHL-MCI with PHL-MCI on a CR7.

Well, you can fly Midwest from PIT-MCI. They now serve the route once daily.



I think the E90s will really benefit PIT. I am happy they will be mainline!
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 19):
PHL-MCI on a CR7.

Well, be happy now. That route is only served by the 170 and CRJ.  wink 

I wouldn't be too surprised if they opened up DFW-LGA.....or even DFW-BOS.

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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:36 am

I would love to see some increased service here in MKE, they dropped the PIT route a while ago and it would bbe nice if that returned, loads must be good here for US since the recently upgraded some of their exprexx flights to mainline a319's
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:41 am

I'm not seeing any mainline US service to Milwaukee right now, Mke717spotter. Just HP 737s.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:39 am

are these planes to be operated by Mainline or an express carrier?
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 25):
are these planes to be operated by Mainline or an express carrier?

They are gonna be operated by Mainline (US Airways)
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 23):
I would love to see some increased service here in MKE, they dropped the PIT route a while ago and it would bbe nice if that returned

The little DoJets and cookies already fought of US and NW once, I bet they'd do it again.

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 19):
I'm sick of having to make PIT-PHL-MCI with PHL-MCI on a CR7. hissyfit

Why fly US?!? Yikes. I'd never do the 600 mile backtrack.

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 15):

I was talking about Tornado's mention of PIT-DEN, currently served 1x A320. Wink

I thought it was a 733, but ok, I must have had US and UA's equipment mixed up.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:20 am

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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:31 am

I tell you what.. it would be nice if US got rid of these RJ/DH8 on the RDU-CLT and RDU-PHL flights and made them all mainline once again.. quite disturbing actually... if PHL was a mix of E70/E90.. that would be okay.. but a mix of 737/E70/RJ just ain't right.. CLT should be a mix of 737/CR9/CR7 or 737/E90/E70/CR9/CR7 or something.. but if they trying to feed some hub flights.. offer some real metal..
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 29):
but a mix of 737/E70/RJ just ain't right.. CLT should be a mix of 737/CR9/CR7 or 737/E90/E70/CR9/CR7 or something.. but if they trying to feed some hub flights.. offer some real metal..

RDU too good for an Rj or two?
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:31 am

I think CLT-JFK would be a great route since many Star Alliance connections can be made...
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:56 am

I think CLT-JFK would be a great route in general, but its well within range of all the current regional jets in the fleet. At 541 stature miles, I think it would be best to start this route with a 50-seater first to test out the water, and it it requires a larger aircraft, I could see it going to the CR9 before the E190.

Also, there wouldn't be any startup costs at JFK since I believe "America West" has a station there.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:05 am

Yes, there is a station there - America West has long operated service from LAS and PHX to JFK.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:04 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 27):
I thought it was a 733, but ok, I must have had US and UA's equipment mixed up.

Yes, PIT-DEN on US is currently 1 daily A320. UA operates a mixture of Boeing and Airbus. UA has 2 daily.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 24):
I'm not seeing any mainline US service to Milwaukee right now, Mke717spotter. Just HP 737s.

well I am pretty sure that the a319 is the early morning departure to either PHL or charlotte(forgot the code boggled  Wink as I have seen it and it has been included in some trip reports here on a.net that some US a319's were spotted here in MKE

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 27):
The little DoJets and cookies already fought of US and NW once, I bet they'd do it again.

well NW does not serve that route anymore so I am sure that maybe 2 daily flights would work PIT-MKE dont ya think?
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:14 pm

I would like to see them connect LAS/PHX-RNO-GEG. The crj has not done them any favors in regards to GEG service. LAS-RNO at certain times in the day does not quite warrant using a 733 or A-320/319.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:16 pm

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 35):
well I am pretty sure that the a319 is the early morning departure to either PHL or charlotte

Well, not anymore, if ever recently... it's all Air Whiskey.

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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 35):
well NW does not serve that route anymore so I am sure that maybe 2 daily flights would work PIT-MKE dont ya think?

I just have a hunch Midwest would knock off US again on PIT-MKE, even if it involved putting the 717 in PIT. They've already gone 717 for MCI.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:19 am

Well considering that we are hiring a ton of flight attendants, who are supposed to be based in Phoenix...I would imagine the ERJ190 will be used primarily in PHX....just a guess tho. There was word that they would use them in TUS...so that makes sense.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting FCYTravis:

hmmmmmmm......well maybe it was a seasonal route or something but I guess it is switched
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:51 am

US used to operate a 319 to CLT continuing to BDA. No large a/c otherwise. When US used to park in the D concourse next to YX and AL.



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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 39):
There was word that they would use them in TUS...so that makes sense.

I'm not sure I like the idea of that large an aircraft flying PHX-TUS since it's such a short distance. Seems like it wouldn't even have time to get up to speed before it's ready to land. Would that routing be fuel efficient?
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:50 am

They use the CRJ 900 right now on the PHX-TUS route, or they did. I can see the EMB 190 flying out west but whose certificate are these being ordered on? In other words, what crews will be flying? The new hires that are going to PHX are going to go through HP's training system so I doubt that you will see the EMB 190 with those crews. US really needs to think about connecting the dots between East and West. The E190 could possibly start a few new routes, CLT-TUS, AUS, ABQ, OMA, TUL, DSM, OKC, ELP - routes that have service to the west but nothing to the east. I'd like to see the 190 in PHL do the MKE, MSP, MCI, PWM, RDU, STL runs....or at least the 170. The CRJ is just TOO small for a three hour flight. I could also see the 190 being put on the shuttle markets....a combination of A319/320 and 190's. FLL as a focus city could see a few of them to destinations like SJO. There are ton's of options. I think US could really come back and be a major player.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:02 am

Yes, PHX-TUS is still on a CR9.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:12 am

Is there an assumption here that all of these are growth aircraft? Has the airline said as much? AC is using some of their E90s as replacements for older Airbus aircraft going off-lease. In some cases, Airbus planes are too large for the missions being flown, and adding E90s is a right-sizing exercise.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 43):
but whose certificate are these being ordered on?

The current info seems to be that these will be going on the East certificate. I suspect that the issue of who will be flying them will be relatively short-lived, given the fact that the entire airline is slated to be on a single (East) certificate within a year of the arrival of the 190's.

What's probable is that the E190's will replace some of the CR9's in the east as well as some mainline flying. The freed-up CR9's will likely head back west while the available mainline equipment will probably be used incrementally for expansion. I can also see a limited amount of expansion from the East hubs to certain cities (like AUS, SAT, OMA, DSM, OKC) currently only served from the West hubs (YV service from MCI notwithstanding) -- though the last three are more likely to see 50- or 70-seaters.

I do not think you'll see the E190's replacing the E170's on many of the point-to-point routes from DCA; the E170's are using commuter slots (with an exemption IIRC) which would not be usable for the E190's. I also doubt the E190's will see many, if any, routes much over 1500 miles given the potential for performance penalties.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:34 am

I can see them in many of the unserved Texas-hub markets. Maybe stuff like BUF/ROC/ALB/BDL/PVD/MHT-PHX/LAS if the economics for that length flight is right. I also think PHL & CLT will see lots of them too - in order to right-size many exisiting markets that need capacity between the 70 & 120 seat range.
 
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 39):
Well considering that we are hiring a ton of flight attendants, who are supposed to be based in Phoenix...I would imagine the ERJ190 will be used primarily in PHX....just a guess tho. There was word that they would use them in TUS...so that makes sense.

Yes, you may be right. I doubt that they will PRIMARILY be used in PHX. PHL, CLT, PIT, and DCA will see their fair share.
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RE: Potential US Airways E-190 Routes

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 45):
Is there an assumption here that all of these are growth aircraft? Has the airline said as much?

They are growth aircraft in the sense that any mainline jets they bump out of short-haul routes will thus be freed-up for more service on other routes. They're also very likely to bump the CRJ-900s and -200s out of routes like CLT-DFW and PHL-MSP. The US lease returns are almost done - there's only maybe another five or 10 birds to go back, all older 737s. Some of those returns will be offset by a couple new A319 deliveries to America West.

Per the scope agreement, the E190s do not actually count toward the contractual minimum mainline fleet count.
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