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DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:21 pm

At about 7pm (sat. 2/11) I heard a news report (here in NYC) that Delta has cancelled all flights on 2/12 to destinations in the northeast affected by the snowstorm. While the storm is quite large, and will close airports throughout the region for most of the day, it seems a little premature to cancel all of their flights. Is this a cost-saving move? None of the other major carriers (as far as I know) have followed suit, and I've never heard of an airline cancelling all flights before a snow storm has actually hit, so it made me think that perhaps DL thought it would be cheaper to rebook all affected travelers on monday and not have their workforce come in at all...

I couldn't find any other threads on this subject, but I apologise if it's already been discussed.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:30 pm

Its not a workforce issue. A massive disruption like this will cause chaos throughout the system. For example tomorrow JFK SLC flight gets delayed 4 hours due to WX. If this plane is making up SLC CVG flight afterwards and CVG LAX after that those people on the later flights are screwed. Obviously every plane going to those cities into the NE has to fly somewhere else afterwards. Aggressive cancellations make its less chaotic and the other 80% of pax around the country don't get impacted as much.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting Willyj (Thread starter):
I've never heard of an airline cancelling all flights before a snow storm has actually hit

TWA did this in 1999 and nearly stranded me in DC while on my home from college.

Last winter at F9, we started experimenting with this practice of proactively cancelling flights in anticipation of major winter weather events. It worked well while I was at PHL, but it's something that's constantly tweaked and refined to ensure minimal disruption to the rest of the system.

Thank God we haven't had to deal with much winter ops at DAY (yet).  

[Edited 2006-02-12 08:36:39]
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:33 pm

Quoting Willyj (Thread starter):
and I've never heard of an airline cancelling all flights before a snow storm has actually hit

It's actually quite common, there just hasn't been a storm like this in while.
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:40 pm

Well, we're supposedly right in the middle of this storm in NYC right now, and there's barely even a wet dusting on the ground in Times Square. I've been listening to the JFK Tower all night and following flights on AirNav Live and I haven't really seen any real problems - granted, it is a Saturday night, but then tomorrow's a Sunday. (JFK's own status report also shows no delays.) Relatively little traffic to deal with on a normal day.

So far it's looking to me like this storm is overblown. I'm sure there will be disruptions, but it sure doesn't seem like anything to cancel an entire day's worth of operations over.
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:41 pm

Actually its not just Delta. AA and NW have flights cancelled in the morining as well. CO has their morning flights cancelled from several cities but they dont really have a choice. Their ops are gonna get impacted no matter how many flights they try to cancel EWR being their hub.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:44 pm

Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 4):
So far it's looking to me like this storm is overblown. I'm sure there will be disruptions, but it sure doesn't seem like anything to cancel an entire day's worth of operations over.

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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting Willyj (Thread starter):
At about 7pm (sat. 2/11) I heard a news report (here in NYC) that Delta has cancelled all flights on 2/12 to destinations in the northeast affected by the snowstorm

The official stand from DL is that all flights into SOME airports (LGA,BOS,EWR,PVD) will be cancelled:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060211/93903.html

No updated official announcement about cancelling ALL Northeast flights. Right now, some flights are still scheduled to be flown back to JFK from Europe today Feb 12:
DL119 and DL17 from CDG;
DL83 from NCE;
DL151 from VCE;
DL 90 from BCN/MAD; and
DL73 from IST
Cancelled: FRA, AMS, BRU, FCO, TXL to JFK

As for departures from JFK, some are still scheduled to go out on Feb 12 evening:
DL118 and DL16 to CDG
DL90 to BCN/MAD;
DL132 to ATH;
DL30 to SVO;
DL84 to MXP
JFK to AMS, FCO, FRA, BRU, TXL have been cancelled so far.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:06 pm

Delta always cancels ahead of a storm. It would be foolish to wait until it hits and have your aircraft and crews stranded. We have a very good OCC in Atlanta that predicts along with the National Weather Service.

I hate it when we do this, but it is the best for the overall operation.

We got a lot of flack for this during Katrina too as I recall.
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:28 pm

"all" flights is a little overstated...I'm looking in the res system as we speak...there are some flights canceled...but not all...great news reporting again from our wonderful news agencies...
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:54 pm

DL flight 119 cdg to jfk left 90 min late but is in the air, arriving into JFK around 3:30 or so.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:11 am

Good Morning guys.

As we wake up to 2 feet of snow in NYC; I guess DL and AA didn't overdue it this time.

ALL flights cancelled for today and probably into tomorrow. This is one of the largest storms in NYC history.

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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:30 am

This is going to add further misery to an airlines bottom line...I would think the two to be impacted most would be US Airways and JetBlue.
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:43 am

It keeps me at home today. Good move DAL. I completely approve.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Willyj (Thread starter):
it seems a little premature to cancel all of their flights.

Trust me they did the right thing. Theres over a foot of snow on the ground already and its still coming down as of 13:10.
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:06 am

They still ran their CRJ's here to ABE, somewhat surprisingly. I have a meeting early tomorrow morning with people on one of those flights, I was hoping they wouldn't make it and I could sleep in a bit.  Wink
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:33 am

Snow is knee-high (over 2 feet) in my backyard in Whitestone, Queens. Thats 4 miles from LGA and 10 miles from JFK.

Smart move to cancel all flights. My bet is that operations will be down through tomorrow at the earliest.

PJ
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:34 am

Seems 9 US Olympic hockey players are stranded in NYC, as well as some NHL players for other countries. They won't have much time to get over jetlag!

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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 17):
Seems 9 US Olympic hockey players are stranded in NYC, as well as some NHL players for other countries. They won't have much time to get over jetlag!

Well, at least the NHL players can pass the time by calling their bookies and making bets with the New Joisey mob.

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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:37 am

The following DL flights look like they are still headed towards JFK:
DL119 from CDG (circling over upstate NY now)
DL 83 from NCE
DL 90 from BCN
DL 73 from IST
DL340 from SLC
DL2015 (Song) from LAX

Edit: oops, spoke too soon; most of them are now diverting to CVG

[Edited 2006-02-12 21:48:02]
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 19):
dit: oops, spoke too soon; most of them are now diverting to CVG

Wow, bet the folks in CVG are already loving this snowstorm for all the widebodies from far away places that it brings them  Silly .
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting Willyj (Thread starter):
At about 7pm (sat. 2/11) I heard a news report (here in NYC) that Delta has cancelled all flights on 2/12 to destinations in the northeast affected by the snowstorm.

It's statements like that that cause everyone to panic. "ALL" flight to the "NORTHEAST" is a load of sensationalistic crap. As of this posting...

PVD - CX
LGA - CX
BOS - CX
JFK - LIMITED OPS
EWR - LIMITED OPS
BDL - LIMITED OPS
WAS - OPERATION DELAYS, NO CX
PHL - OPERATION DELAYS, NO CX

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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:11 am

Probably international and selected domestic flights will go in/out tonight out of EWR/LGA/JFK, as the snow stopped around 1 pm today and there has been plenty of time to clean up. BOS won't be open until tomorrow morning I suspect. Is was sensible to not strand aircraft or force them into diversions or returns then to sent them into the storm. Probably their will be enough cancellations Monday and Tuesday to cover those left behind Saturday night and Sunday.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
Wow, bet the folks in CVG are already loving this snowstorm for all the widebodies from far away places that it brings them

Well, the most 'exotic' flight of that list (DL73 from IST) still seems to be holding out and hasn't officially diverted yet although its JFK arrival time is getting close....BCN/MAD's ETA is still some time off so it may not have to divert.

Gotta hand it to DL for eternal optimism...the following flights are STILL scheduled to depart JFK this evening:
DL 16 CDG 6:15pm (a/c at gate)
DL 30 SVO 5:50pm (30 min. delay so far)
DL 90 BCN 6:40pm (a/c at gate)
DL118 CDG 7:30pm
DL 84 MXP 8:10pm
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 14):
Trust me they did the right thing. Theres over a foot of snow on the ground already and its still coming down as of 13:10.

While I agree that it turned out well for DL, I still think cancelling all their flights at 6 or 7pm the night before was a little premature. What would have happened if the storm had gone a little to the south and missed most of the northeast - which happened with a huge Nor'easter last year? Would all of the flights still be cancelled, or would they reinstate them? When they cancelled the flights the snow had barely begun falling, and it wasn't until after midnight before the real heavy snow began falling.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Willyj (Reply 24):
When they cancelled the flights the snow had barely begun falling, and it wasn't until after midnight before the real heavy snow began falling.

That's why we have a meteorology department, to provide the best possible forecast so that logical operational decisions can be made. Of course, there are no guarantees when dealing with the weather but, one has to rely on the best information available at the time. Leaving the decision to cancel flights until much later as you suggested is just not operationally sound. Anyway, in this case, the right decisions were made so postulating "what ifs" is pointless.
 
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:19 am

DL is operating some of their BOS flights tonight. DL 1474 a 767-300, is the first ATL-BOS flight for the day.
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RE: DL Cancels All Flts In Northeast On 2/12

Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 25):
That's why we have a meteorology department, to provide the best possible forecast so that logical operational decisions can be made. Of course, there are no guarantees when dealing with the weather but, one has to rely on the best information available at the time. Leaving the decision to cancel flights until much later as you suggested is just not operationally sound. Anyway, in this case, the right decisions were made so postulating "what ifs" is pointless.

Exactly. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. If they hadn't cancelled ahead of time, and people had gone out to the airport, half this board would be users saying that DL knew there was a forcasted storm and should have cancelled the operation for the day.