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El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:57 pm

Anybody know specifically why El Al ferried a 747 from EWR-JFK tonight? Which earlier flight was messed up that resulted in this?

Thanks.
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:06 pm

Perhaps JFK is less affected by the weather than EWR? I realize JFK is nuts as it is, but the wider configuration and longer runways should help
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:46 pm

I would say they needed the jet at JFK to establish an outbound flight. It was not needed at EWR as those passengers would be re-accommodated on another flight, or take today's outbound.
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:23 am

Flight 007 from TLV to JFK was diverted to EWR, so the a/c (4X-ELS) flew later on to JFK to fly its scheduled route JFK - TLV (as flight LY002).
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:39 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 3):
Flight 007 from TLV to JFK was diverted to EWR, so the a/c (4X-ELS) flew later on to JFK to fly its scheduled route JFK - TLV (as flight LY002).

Dam. LY7 didn't land at JFK until past 1AM depsite having been scheduled to leave EWR at 6:15 PM...And LY2 didn't take off until 7AM...What a night.

Did the same crew that diverted to EWR fly the recovery to JFK?
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:46 am

Any idea how far the plane had to fly in order to take off and then establish an approach to JFK?
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 5):
Any idea how far the plane had to fly in order to take off and then establish an approach to JFK?

She flew east of JFK and landed on 31R.
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 5):
Any idea how far the plane had to fly in order to take off and then establish an approach to JFK?

Flightaware.com said 12 minutes
13-Feb-2006 B744/Q Newark/New York Liberty Int'l [KEWR] John F Kennedy Int'l [KJFK] 00:50 EST 01:02 EST 0:12
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
EWR as those passengers would be re-accommodated on another flight

if this were to happen, CO84 and CO90 are the winner!
But Amirs reply make the most accurate.
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:23 am

Amirs is right.

My uncle was on that flight on his way to BOS.

He took the morning flight to JFK and they were diverted to EWR instead.
He was taken then to Boston by a car.

LY ferried later on that day the a/c (ELS) to JFK.

Mike
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 9):
He was taken then to Boston by a car.

Paid by LY?
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:34 am

Did all pax get off at EWR or did some go back with the plane to JFK?
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Did the same crew that diverted to EWR fly the recovery to JFK?

Different crew.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
Did all pax get off at EWR or did some go back with the plane to JFK?

No pax on EWR - JFK, only flight deck crew
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:34 pm

If you guys are interested, I can let you know on other ferry flights when i hear of them.
4X-ELD will ferry JFK - YMX on April 23, to do a chartered flight YMX - KRK.
4X-ELS will feryy YMX - JFK on May 7, after it arrived in YMX from TLV - also chartered.
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:53 am

YMX, KRK???? Have no clue what these cities are. Could you please write it? Thank you.
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Semsem (Reply 14):
YMX, KRK???? Have no clue what these cities are. Could you please write it? Thank you.

Just put your cursor over the abbreviation. The airport pops up.

Cool feature huh?  Smile
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 10):
Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 9):
He was taken then to Boston by a car.

Paid by LY?

I would guess so if he was unable to get a connecting flight. Probably a lot faster to take the Thruway to the Pike as opposed to waiting for an EWR-BOS flight the next day.

Quoting SmAlbany (Reply 15):
Just put your cursor over the abbreviation. The airport pops up.

KRK pops up but YMX doesn't. BTW, YMX is Montreal-Mirabel
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:27 am

If I remember correctly, LY flies to both EWR and JFK from TLV. Why? Isn't it better to concentrate the operations to one airport?

/Micke
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting SK A340 (Reply 17):
If I remember correctly, LY flies to both EWR and JFK from TLV. Why? Isn't it better to concentrate the operations to one airport?

Many airlines fly to both airports. The NYC market is large enough to fly many flights to both and still do well at both airports. Very few comparable situations....
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:11 am

Smalbany thank you. It's very funny.
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:13 am

SKA340 yes LY fly to both airports. EWR is very convenient for people who live in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. JFK is quite a long schlep for them. Many airlines fly from both airports like LX, AF, LH, BA, AZ, KL and VS.
 
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RE: El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:46 pm

SKA340, unusual situation, other posts explain dense traffic. Last time I flew TLV-EWR 2 years ago, I almost missed it b/c I got there 2 hours before flight time (that's cutting it close for LY anywhere), even though I was in business class, and there literally over 1,000 people on line for security and check in solely for 3 jumbos to JFK and EWR all leaving 12-1 am.

BTW, really miss SK at JFK. It was cool to first see them at EWR (flew them there once from CPH), but they belong back at Kennedy. Its a matter of tradition.