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QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:12 pm

The electronic edition of this week's Flight International (02/14/06) is reporting that QR is re-evaluating proposed enhanced versions of A345/A346 (recently rejected by CX), despite the announcement last year of a 20 aircraft order for the 773ER/772LR. The CEO says there was never a LOI for the Boeing order, "...now there is competition between the two. Both Airbus and Boeing are able to deliver these aircraft in the timeframe we want - by the end of next year..."

Additionally, QR is ready to firm up its commitments for 60 A350s, but is waiting for Airbus to finalize several aspects of the aircraft's design and performance.

[Edited 2006-02-13 10:16:17]

[Edited 2006-02-13 10:33:07]
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:19 pm

How strange. I somehow had a premonition this was going to happen. Airbus need to win some new business for the A340; QR already have 4 A346s on order (which would be "lost" among a bigger 777 order); QR seem to be pretty happy with Airbus...

At the very least, QR are very cannily using an improved A340 to put pressure on Boeing. If an order for 777s still happens (and I certainly wouldn't rule it out) QR will probably have bought themselves a better deal.

Is this now the first big nail-biter of the year?

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 1):

Is this now the first big nail-biter of the year?

I think the expected SQ order was the big nail-biter that welcomed the new year.

I suspect QR are putting pressure now on both Airbus and Boeing, though it does seem a bit sleazy on QR's part.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:51 pm

How ironic. After countless posts were the pending A350 order has been put in doubt in favor of the 787, it's the 777 order that might not be firmed up.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:54 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
is reporting that QR is re-evaluating proposed enhanced versions of A345/A346



Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Both Airbus and Boeing are able to deliver these aircraft in the timeframe we want - by the end of next year...

With that timefame I would believe this enhanced version is a A340-600HGW version. It would be more interesting if QR opted for the rumored A340-600E.

Maybe this is the Leahy payback deal which make the A340 interesting?
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
How ironic. After countless posts were the pending A350 order has been put in doubt in favor of the 787, it's the 777 order that might not be firmed up.

At this point, the OEMs should take anything they receive from QR short of a signed contract, with a grain of salt.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 4):
With that timefame I would believe this enhanced version is a A340-600HGW version. It would be more interesting if QR opted for the rumored A340-600E.

From my understanding, the A346HGW was to become the standard model once it entered service, i.e. all the A346s delivered would be A346HGWs. Therefore any discussion about an enhanced A346 would have to revolve around the A346E.

It seems like Airbus is offering an enhanced A345 as well.

The timeframes don't seem to make sense though.  confused 

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 6):
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 4):
With that timefame I would believe this enhanced version is a A340-600HGW version. It would be more interesting if QR opted for the rumored A340-600E.

From my understanding, the A346HGW was to become the standard model once it entered service, i.e. all the A346s delivered would be A346HGWs. Therefore any discussion about an enhanced A346 would have to revolve around the A346E.

It seems like Airbus is offering an enhanced A345 as well.

The timeframes don't seem to make sense though.

From article:

"...[QR] is believed to now be evaluating the enhanced version of A340-600 being proposed by Airbus. This new model, which Boeing says Airbus unsuccessfully pitched against the 777 in Cathay Pacific's recent widebody competition, incorporates various improvements, including Rolls Royce-Trent 1000-technology engines."

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
The electronic edition of this week's Flight International (02/14/06) is reporting that QR is re-evaluating proposed enhanced versions of A345/A346 (recently rejected by CX), despite the announcement last year of a 20 aircraft order

Very interesting update regarding QR order.

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Both Airbus and Boeing are able to deliver these aircraft in the timeframe we want - by the end of next year..."

Very interesting also. I believe that they are refering to the A340-600HGW.

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Additionally, QR is ready to firm up its commitments for 60 A350s, but is waiting for Airbus to finalize several aspects of the aircraft's design and performance.

Just as I thought. I would expect a firm order as soon as Airbus freezes the A350 design.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
I suspect QR are putting pressure now on both Airbus and Boeing, though it does seem a bit sleazy on QR's part.

Yes a bit sleazy. But thats business. QR has to keep all options open.

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
How ironic. After countless posts were the pending A350 order has been put in doubt in favor of the 787, it's the 777 order that might not be firmed up.

Very ironic indeed.

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 4):
With that timefame I would believe this enhanced version is a A340-600HGW version. It would be more interesting if QR opted for the rumored A340-600E.

Well I would expect an A340HGW + an A340E order. The A340HGW may be a stop gap measure until the A340E arrives.

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:15 pm

Not forgetting that QR also had refundable deposits on 787s with Boeing. Looks like Boeing has trouble doing business with QR.
Maybe( and this is pure guesswork) EK is favouring the 787 and Airbus are desperate for a large Middle East A340/350 commitment. They certainly need a good 340 order after the thrashing the poor thing took in 2005.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 9):
Not forgetting that QR also had refundable deposits on 787s with Boeing. Looks like Boeing has trouble doing business with QR.

Weren't those cancelled when QR chose the A350, and offered to QF instead?
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:34 pm

As i opened this thread i expected it to be speculation about the A350 commitment, but to my suprise they are looking at the A340E.

In many ways it would make sense, as it would have engine and i would assume (yes the mother of all...) reasonable structural commonality with the A350, and of course, cockpit.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
At this point, the OEMs should take anything they receive from QR short of a signed contract, with a grain of salt.

any OEM which doesn't operate on the basis of no signed contract no nothing is crazy.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 12):
any OEM which doesn't operate on the basis of no signed contract no nothing is crazy.

However, delivery slots have to be assigned before contracts are signed.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:53 am

can RR really get an upgraded Trent 500 ready in any "enhanced " version in time for the QR timeline??
I was thumbing thorugh the FI article last May about the A345/6 in service experience. I was confused somewhat about the Trent 500 blade rubbing problems, in one part of the article they say there have been no IFSD from this problem, in another they say LH had 3 unscheduled removals. I guess both could be accurate. Anyone know of any other operators having problems?

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13):
However, delivery slots have to be assigned before contracts are signed.

presumably these are only with some form of deposit or other legally binding paperwork otherwise its all on a handshake and while that happens a lot, you can get burned big time
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:58 am

We are NOT talking about any upgraded RR Trent 500 but about employing the new RR Trent 1000, which is under development for the A350 and B787, on the A340-500/600.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 11):
In many ways it would make sense, as it would have engine and i would assume (yes the mother of all...) reasonable structural commonality with the A350, and of course, cockpit.

Engine commonality? Qatar are going for the GEnx on their A350s whereas the new (old?) A340s will certainly have RR but only "might" have GE. And Qatar already have Trents on the existing A346s they've ordered. I can't see engine commonality being a factor here.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 15):
We are NOT talking about any upgraded RR Trent 500 but about employing the new RR Trent 1000, which is under development for the A350 and B787, on the A340-500/600.

the original reports of an enhanced A345/6 were Trent 500s incorporating Trent 1000 technology, using the 1000 core with the 500 fan, to put the Trent 1000 itself on the wing may be problematic due to the size of the larger fan.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
I suspect QR are putting pressure now on both Airbus and Boeing, though it does seem a bit sleazy on QR's part.

Yes a bit sleazy. But thats business. QR has to keep all options open.

You'd likely be among those crying foul should QR decide to handle its "commitment" for the A350 in a similar manner in the future.  Wink Seems to me like QR may be setting the stage for such a move according to a quote in the FI article:

"...We have not signed a purchase agreement with Airbus because it hasn't crystallised the specifications of the aircraft [A350] and also we have requirements for the performance which they have to come back to us with", said Akbar Al Baker [QR's CEO]. The aircraft is still changing, but we expect Airbus to come up with the solution soon."

Sounds a little weasily to me.

Caveat Vendor, including Airbus, QR's order commitment for the A350 may be as ephemeral as that for the 777s.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Engine commonality? Qatar are going for the GEnx on their A350s whereas the new (old?) A340s will certainly have RR but only "might" have GE. And Qatar already have Trents on the existing A346s they've ordered. I can't see engine commonality being a factor here.

I have also read the GE might also jump onboard the A340E. Its going to be interesting to see what comes of this.

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
Engine commonality? Qatar are going for the GEnx on their A350s whereas the new (old?) A340s will certainly have RR but only "might" have GE.

Beg your pardon, i didn't realise they had already selected the engines. How firm is that?

I agree the A340E will probably not get GE onboard. Infact i'd guess RR would probably want an exclusivity contract.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:20 am

I cannot help but remember what Robert Milton said a week before the AC order... "I have a penchant for the A340"

We all know what happened a week later. This could all be smoke and mirrors...but that said, this could also be Airbus's first foray into offering incentives to get QR to buy the A340 and make it competitive once again.

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
cannily using an improved A340

hmmm, third time is the charm??

That's not a good track record.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:33 am

All this really does is allow Boeing to put those 777 slots with other more dependable carriers. B has no shortage of 777 customers at this point, and is working to win more orders from SQ and BA as well as new orders from other carriers. If QR are going to play the "a contract is just the starting point" game so common in the middle east, it might be a good strategy to offer QR a low, but not too low figure that Airbus would be forced to beat, then let Airbus be the ones to make no money on their jets.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 15):
We are NOT talking about any upgraded RR Trent 500 but about employing the new RR Trent 1000, which is under development for the A350 and B787, on the A340-500/600.

Do you have a source for that? It doesn't make any sense to me to add that much thrust, weight, and fuel consumption. I think RR will be upgrading the Trent 500 with technology from the Trent 1000.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 23):
If QR are going to play the "a contract is just the starting point" game so common in the middle east, it might be a good strategy to offer QR a low, but not too low figure that Airbus would be forced to beat, then let Airbus be the ones to make no money on their jets.

It might be in Boeing's best interest to let Airbus burn some money on an A340E that won't be available until 2012.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 25):
It might be in Boeing's best interest to let Airbus burn some money on an A340E that won't be available until 2012.

I agree. Let Airbus focus on winning this 'lucrative' QR contract and focus instead on winning SQ, BA, QF round 2, and getting the 797 to market.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 20):
Beg your pardon, i didn't realise they had already selected the engines. How firm is that?

Pretty firm, I think:

http://www.geae.com/aboutgeae/presscenter/genx/genx_20050914.html

"September 14, 2005 -- EVENDALE, Ohio - Qatar Airways have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with General Electric Company for the GEnx engine to power the airline's new fleet 60 Airbus A350 aircraft."

Quoting WINGS (Reply 19):
I have also read the GE might also jump onboard the A340E.

The FLIGHT article that announced plans for a(nother) "new" A340 said that it would be powered by Trent 1500s (as they're being called) and that Airbus were also "talking to GE".
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 23):
All this really does is allow Boeing to put those 777 slots with other more dependable carriers. B has no shortage of 777 customers at this point, and is working to win more orders from SQ and BA as well as new orders from other carriers.

Concur. I see this as a very public attempt to squeeze Boeing on price. Those delivery slots won't go begging for long. I seem to remember Widebodyphotog publishing some numbers on the fuel burn disparity between the 777 and A340. Can't find the thread now (was it deleted?), but it was significant. But, if its about more than fuel, and if Al Baker can get a better deal on the A340, he should go for it. Again, those 777 deliver slots will go fast.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 25):
It might be in Boeing's best interest to let Airbus burn some money on an A340E that won't be available until 2012.

Hadn't thought of it in those terms, but you could be right.  Wink
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
How ironic. After countless posts were the pending A350 order has been put in doubt in favor of the 787, it's the 777 order that might not be firmed up.

I don't remember "countless posts" claiming that the A350 order was in doubt, Manni, and I don't think you really do either.

These orders will go to Airbus, regardless of price, in my opinion. The sales competition was over before it even got started.

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 18):
"...We have not signed a purchase agreement with Airbus because it hasn't crystallised the specifications of the aircraft [A350] and also we have requirements for the performance which they have to come back to us with", said Akbar Al Baker [QR's CEO]. The aircraft is still changing, but we expect Airbus to come up with the solution soon."

Sounds a little weasily to me.

Weasily? Asking for clear specs and targets for an aircraft you're going to base your entire future on - that's hardly weasily. Sounds like basic business sense 101 to me. Boeing and Airbus are free to walk away from QR if they find it weasily - I don't see them doing that.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 29):
I don't remember "countless posts" claiming that the A350 order was in doubt, Manni, and I don't think you really do either.

What Manni may be referring to was the truthful insistence by many that the LOI (which we have now learned was just a PR stunt), was for AT LEAST 20 777s and UP TO 60 A350s. From that statement, certain Airbus diehards were using hard numbers of 20/60, despite the variation in terms.

What we now see is that "at least" 20 777s was meaningless, so I can't quite understand how anyone can put any more weight behind the words "up to 60 A350" aircraft.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:03 am

Sucks for Boeing if they cancel the B777 orders. I wonder what their selection criteria area could be...
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting N79969 (Reply 37):
Sucks for Boeing if they cancel the B777 orders.

You can't cancel an order that hasn't actually been placed yet.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 39):
I would agree that it's pretty unusual for a serious airline to announce their committment for a type and then fail to order it.

sorta like BR with A345/6 and then going for 772LR??
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 41):
sorta like BR with A345/6 and then going for 772LR??

I said unusual, not that it never happens.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 19):
I have also read the GE might also jump onboard the A340E. Its going to be interesting to see what comes of this.

This would seem to be unlikely as GE is a risk-sharing partner on the 777LR. Why would they want to compete with themselves?
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:40 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 48):
This would seem to be unlikely as GE is a risk-sharing partner on the 777LR. Why would they want to compete with themselves?

if (IF!) GE believe than an improved A340 will take business from the 777 then why wouldn't they want to get a share of the extra business? The A350 competes with the 787 but GE were pretty quick to get on board both. The CFM56 "competes with itself" (if you want to look at it like this) on the 737 and A320. Just because GE have bought into the 777LR programme to a greater extent than a supplier usually does is no reason to be pig-headed and give your major competitor (RR) a free run at a competing design. But, again, this presupposes that GE and others come to believe that an improved A340 has become a serious threat to the 777LR. At present I doubt if they're terribly anxious.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:58 pm

Sounds to me that Qatar are a little mixed up on the cycle. The down cycle is over, therefore it is a sellers market. Probably losing more money each time the contract proposal expires, not to mention the slots. Since they anounced, Emirates, Canadian, and Cathay have ordered.

One advantage for Qatar, the A340 is still a buyers market.

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 50):
Sounds to me that Qatar are a little mixed up on the cycle. The down cycle is over, therefore it is a sellers market. Probably losing more money each time the contract proposal expires, not to mention the slots. Since they anounced, Emirates, Canadian, and Cathay have ordered.

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One advantage for Qatar, the A340 is still a buyers market.

 Smile So is the B767, for exactly the same reasons.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 39):
Depends just how you look at it. At Paris QR announced their intention to order "up to 60" A350s and "at least" 20 777s. Since then they signed an LOI with Airbus for exactly 60 A350s and an MOU with GE for engines to power said 60 frames. If that's a PR stunt, then it's a pretty good one!

A letter of intent (LOI) is customarily employed to reduce to writing a preliminary understanding of the parties who intend to enter into contract. It's usually in the form of a letter from one company to another describing a potential transaction, acknowledging a willingness and ability to do business. A memorandum of understanding (MOU) is a legal document describing an agreement between parties. It is a more formal alternative to a gentlemen's agreement or handshake, but less formal than a contract. Neither type of writing is binding on the parties involved because one or more of the necessary elements of a contract is absent, usually exchange of consideration.

QR can just as easily walk away from its LOI with Airbus and MOU with GE, as it has from its "handshake" with Boeing. Time will tell whether QR was acting in good faith or this was indeed a P.R. stunt.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 29):
I don't remember "countless posts" claiming that the A350 order was in doubt, Manni, and I don't think you really do either.

The best person to ask what I remember would be myself, your comment about me was absolutely not necessary. You might not remember these posts, and no I'm not going trough the effort of digging them up. If you've got the time, use the search function...
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting PM (Reply 49):
if (IF!) GE believe than an improved A340 will take business from the 777 then why wouldn't they want to get a share of the extra business? The A350 competes with the 787 but GE were pretty quick to get on board both. The CFM56 "competes with itself" (if you want to look at it like this) on the 737 and A320. Just because GE have bought into the 777LR programme to a greater extent than a supplier usually does is no reason to be pig-headed and give your major competitor (RR) a free run at a competing design. But, again, this presupposes that GE and others come to believe that an improved A340 has become a serious threat to the 777LR. At present I doubt if they're terribly anxious.

GE wouldn't do it if the market is too small for two separate engine vendors, particularly when they are exclusive on the competitor. The other aircraft you cited offer much larger markets.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 57):
What QR has to ask itself is whether or not they also want to sacrifice the higher revenue potential, as well as the higher resale value of the 777s. . .

They could demand a base resale price guarantee from Airbus like IB and others have done in the past.
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 57):
What QR has to ask itself is whether or not they also want to sacrifice the higher revenue potential, as well as the higher resale value of the 777s. .



Quoting Tifoso (Reply 60):
They could demand a base resale price guarantee from Airbus like IB and others have done in the past.

Exactly. There was a thread yesterday that went into the background on IB's decision to take the A346. The thread seems to have been deleted. If Airbus is guaranteeing resale value (as they did for IB, according to the WSJ article), a lower procurement cost over the 777, subsidizing the fuel costs over the period of operation, then QR would probably get a very good deal. However, this is all just speculation on our (my) part. As Hamlet69 notes, there is still the revenue streams that must be compared.

Curious that we all assumed that Boeing had a "deal" where QR is saying "not". Again, my opinion only, if QR opts for the A340 and Boeing did hold 777 delivery slots, then these delivery positions won't go begging for very long.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:24 am

If Airbus hasn't crystallised the A350's configuration, how come other carriers - particularly respectable ones like AY, TP etc - have committed to it. This, to me, is the most interesting aspect of it.

Without wishing to get into an A -v- B argument, the 787 seems to be the superior of the two competitors in virtually every way; the -10 will be longer, have greater floor space (similar range), but it is an all-new design and no matter how Airbus tries to claim otherwise, the A350 is still an update of a current design - albeit a very good one. However, if QR - and other carriers are looking for an aircraft to take them into the next decade and beyond, the 787 would seem to be the best choice.

Incidentally, is it true that Boeing is pulling back on its proposal to have big windows on the 787?
 
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 54):
QR can just as easily walk away from its LOI with Airbus and MOU with GE, as it has from its "handshake" with Boeing. Time will tell whether QR was acting in good faith or this was indeed a P.R. stunt.

I understand the differences between LOI and MOU. I also understand that neither forms a legally binding contract. However, the fact that QR has bothered to take these steps with both Airbus and GE would be taken as a good thing by the parties involved, and normal business practice prior to the signing of a firm contract. You are, of course, entitled to think this is all some elaborate PR game, but I suspect you're in the minority.

In my opinion the more surprising thing is the QR hasn't taken any such steps with Boeing yet. Perhaps the fact that they want to evaluate the A346 again now explains this.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:12 am

This debate is nonsense as it's been rehashed over and over again... what counts here is the fact that the demand for the 773ER is there w/ or w/o QR. At the end, it's my opinion that QR will end up where Cathay, AC, is right now... dumping the A340's for more efficient twins.

Pricing is the issue here with QR as they want a better price.
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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:58 am

I've just had to remove a large number of posts from this thread because some users can't make posts without resorting to sweeping generalisations and rude statements, and when they do this, they then move the entire thing off track. Please keep this thread on-topic, and don't turn it into a sweeping Airbus vs Boeing bickerfest, or we will be forced to lock it.

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RE: QR Reopens Widebody Contest

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:04 pm

Look, if you have a couple billion to spend, you make the call. Sounds like good business to me.

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