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US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:57 pm

Regarding US Marshalls: What aircraft is used when they are bringing back a prisoner from, let's say, the UK???
Anybody know??
Thanks,
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting Tappan (Thread starter):
Regarding US Marshalls: What aircraft is used when they are bringing back a prisoner from, let's say, the UK???
Anybody know??
Thanks,
Mark Garfinkel

Honestly, they would probably charter an appropriate biz-jet.

I used to work for a company that would charter lears and Metros for prisoner flights to them. Next door the FBO used to turn their 727's and MD-80's. And I know up here they used to have a Cheyenne 300 and a Caravan....I think they still have the caravan.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:28 pm

They use DC-9s as well as commercial transport and charters.

The Marshals are part of the DOJ. There are several DC-9s for their use.

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:41 pm

I haven't stuck around OKC long enough to see what all is in their fleet lately, but there are a couple 737s over at their hangars these days. Perhaps Northwestair or one of the others out there have a been idea what the Marshalls are flying around these days.
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:46 pm

If they're coming across the pond I'd imagine a charter would be in order. The DOJ jets won't make it that far.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:54 pm

I've seen them use a 734 for alot of their runs, they used to fly into my old FBO all the time.

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:06 pm

I am interested in a flight from London to the Boston,MA area that would be landing in the Boston are (either Logan international) or Hanscomb AFB/Civilian airport Tuesday (today-Feb 14)
Thanks for any help.
The prisoner is Neil Entwistle...

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:35 pm

INS and/or JPATS??
Sound right?

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:46 pm

Depending on the prisoner. I have flown over 50 I would say, on regular revenue flights. Pax are not made aware of this for obvious reasons. They are boarded with their guards (2 guards minimum for a max security prisoner) before any passengers are boarded, sit in the last row, and remain cuffed the whole flight. The guards must present badges, ID, and advise of weapons. The prisoner must sit in between the guards. The FA's are advised of their seats, and are banned from any communication whatsoever with the prisoner. Typically, they are caught in another state, and extradited on a mainline carrier. Many are illegal aliens being deported as well.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:50 pm

What type jet should I be looking for if Marshalls bring in a prisoner from London to Boston?? Would the plane have INS markings?
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting AirlineAV8tr (Reply 8):
and remain cuffed the whole flight

They have to take the cuffs off during the flight in case of an emergency.
At least that's how it is at my airline.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
Quoting AirlineAV8tr (Reply 8):
and remain cuffed the whole flight

They have to take the cuffs off during the flight in case of an emergency.
At least that's how it is at my airline.

I just checked on that, and you're absolutely correct. They are un-cuffed.

Quoting Tappan (Reply 9):
What type jet should I be looking for if marshals bring in a prisoner from London to Boston?? Would the plane have INS markings?
Thx
Mark

The aircraft will not have any special markings, and neither will the gaurds. Typically, even we find it hard to identify them. They are pre-boarded for instance, and they typically will fool the FA's who think that they're revenue pax. They look completely average until they flash the badge, and paperwork. If it's for instance a "National Security" type prisoner, they will usually charter, or use government aircraft.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:06 pm

At ORD, I have seen the 737-400 being used to transport prisoners. It is a all white color painted aircraft which usually parks at the Signature Flight Support area. It is not there very long. 30 to 45 minutes tops. Their call sign is Department of Justice followed by the flight number.

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:54 pm

Quoting ORDSPOTTER (Reply 12):
At ORD, I have seen the 737-400 being used to transport prisoners. It is a all white color painted aircraft which usually parks at the Signature Flight Support area. It is not there very long. 30 to 45 minutes tops. Their call sign is Department of Justice followed by the flight number

Is there a reason that they're transporting such a large group? I know that they had a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens to MEX on an ATA 757, but where would such a large group of prisoners be going? I'm not saying at all that this doesn't happen, I'm just wondering why.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting Tappan (Reply 9):
What type jet should I be looking for if Marshalls bring in a prisoner from London to Boston?? Would the plane have INS markings?

If they are flying commercial, they will almost certainly come in on AA109 arriving from LHR at 1250 or AA155 arriving from LHR at 2015. The flights will arrive Terminal E for international customs clearence. Any particular reason you are interested in Entwistle's extradition flight?
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:00 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Any particular reason you are interested in Entwistle's extradition flight?

Profile says he's a photojournalist - that's be my guess.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting Tappan (Reply 6):
The prisoner is Neil Entwistle...

He's not being transported by the US Marshals, but the Mass. State Police and/or Boston PD. He'll come back on one of the daily flights from London and be removed through the jetway and walk right into a waiting police car.

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:37 pm

Yes, I am a photojournalist. Thanks for all the answers. But I was led to beleive that it was definately the US Marshalls NOT State Police or anybody else.
**AND N112OA** there are many more flights other than the AA fl 109 or AA155
why would you think that he would not come onto Virgin 11 or BA 213?
Why Logan? Why not Hanscom in Bedford,MA??
And would it be a regular commercial flight or one of these smaller DOJ biz jets?

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:02 am

I've felt like a prisoner on quite a few flights......  tired 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:33 am

I haven't seen the 727 for a long time here in OKC. You see the 737-400 all white A/C taxing from the US marshals Hangar to the Federal Transfer Terminal across the airport. I would guess that the marshals figured out that it was a lot cheaper to transport the prisoner's on the 737 instead of the very costly 727's. I have seen a Corporate type jet sitting by the marshals Hangar, probably for the more high profile prisoners.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prison

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:36 am

There was an hour long Discovery Channel special called "Con Air" about this. Showed how they transport prisoners. It was the US Marshalls doing it, but that was for federal prisioners.

Every state has some sort of transport system, usually charter.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting AirlineAV8tr (Reply 13):
Is there a reason that they're transporting such a large group?

Depends, the State of Alaska will move that many people to Arizona since they are contracting with private prisons down there to hold them.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 20):
Every state has some sort of transport system, usually charter.

State and local officals can also get space-A room on USMS flights also.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting Tappan (Reply 17):
Why Logan? Why not Hanscom in Bedford,MA??

Because Virgin or American Airlines don't fly to Hanscom. He'll come back commercial... no different then any other prisoner. As said this morning, he'll be taken right off the plane, down the steps on the jetway right to a waiting police car. Unless you have a SIDA ramp pass with a Customs sticker to get on the ramp at Terminal E.. the closest you'll get is the nightly news.
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Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:17 am

From what I read on this website that would be RAYANAIR
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:44 am

The 'Con Air', that is flights operated of only prisioners under the jurisdiction of the US Marshalls service can include: 1) new prisioners being taken to their new home jail; 2) prisioners being transferred to other jail facilities and 3) prisioners being transported to appear in court to give testimony. They have their own dedicated a/c, and use OKC as their hub. Other smaller aircraft may be used for where transporting a prisoner to give testimony or emergency transfers or where accused terrorists. Some large states like California, NY State may have their own 'con air's' to transport prisioners around.
Some persons whom have been arrested and/or are low flight risk prisioners, are transported by commercial aircraft with marshalls or state police where applicable. That will probably be the case with Mr. Entwhistle as discussed above. They would probably use AA, an USA registered airline in his case as due to security issues, the guns carried by the police that will be accompining him, 'buy American' statutes and so on. It would also be much cheaper to use commercial than a charter biz jet.
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting Tappan (Reply 17):
Yes, I am a photojournalist. Thanks for all the answers. But I was led to beleive that it was definately the US Marshalls NOT State Police or anybody else.

Might be nice if a journalist knew how to spell US Marshal  Yeah sure

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Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:34 am

Thanks for the correction Mr Student----> Hawk44
You know I never would have guessed from your member profile that you were such a nice guy to coorect me likle you have. I mean, any person with "never underestimate the power of the US" on their profile must really be a brainiac of the highest order.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 26):
Might be nice if a journalist knew how to spell US Marshal

Hawk44

Wow, spelling nazi anyone?

Get over it. It has no bearing in this thread.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:32 am

CNN and Fox News just reported that he would be on a private jet today. No word on which airport he would be departing/arriving.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:58 am

Any idea what plane type to look for?? I will be here all day at Hansom.....
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p.s I see nothing on flight tracker websites...
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:04 am

He was handed over to US Marshals at Gatwick and put on a private plane.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:10 am

From a news article on MSNBC.com, Mr. Entwhistle will be leaving on a private jet out of LGW. Probably the notority of his crime, the logisticts, security and to get him directly to the jail where he will be held at made the use of a private jet preferrable. I wonder if it is a state owned jet or just a charter.
Last night, one of the 'commentators' of CNN's Headline News Channel (between 8-10 pm, they tend to cover sensational/crime stores like those Mr. Entwhistle is accused of doing) was condemming the idea of putting a double murder on a commercial flight they or some member of their family was on, and without leg irons or handcuffs in use. What an idiot! Of course, a lawyer she was talking to at the time noted that they cannot be used on commercial flights in case of an emergency.
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 29):
CNN and Fox News just reported that he would be on a private jet today.

Well I'll be..!! As a tax payer I sure want to know why he needs to fly across the pond on a private jet and not a scheduled flight..??
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 32):
Probably the notority of his crime, the logisticts, security and to get him directly to the jail where he will be held at made the use of a private jet preferrable. I wonder if it is a state owned jet or just a charter.

Yup, exactly why.

And don't worry, it is just a charter flight.

In fact if you figure that there is probably two or three Marshalls flying with him, The costs probably aren't going to be that extremely different then putting him on commercial.
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
The Marshals are part of the DOJ. There are several DC-9s for their use.

What about this one:
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prison

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
And don't worry, it is just a charter flight.

It was actually the FAA's G-IV(N1) painted in air force one-ish livery. Just landed in Bedford.

Also interesting, the jet landed in Maine before continuing on to Massachusetts, I would think that a G-IV could make the flight quite easily. Or could this have been to clear customs, and if so why not just fly to BOS or another local airport that is a customs port of entry?

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 36):
Also interesting, the jet landed in Maine before continuing on to Massachusetts,

Customs in BGR. They are noted for discreet, fast service. Trust me, this looser is far from the most note worthy person they have dealt with... they are more acustom to Kings, Queens, Heads of State.... etc..!!
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:00 am

I watched (and photographed) the landing of the very cool Gulfstream (G4)-----> N1 (tail number)
with AF one livery.......
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Ps They landen then went to the military side of Hanscom (away from prying eyes and cameras) then Massachusetts State Police whisked him away in a 3 car caravan to the hopkinton,MA police station (in about 20 minutes) very fast for rush hour....
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:28 am

What are these "rendition flights" regarding prisoners? I first heard about them from listening to Oireachtas (Irish Parliament) proceedings, and it provoked lively debate in the chamber over banning them from EINN.
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 28):
Wow, spelling nazi anyone?

Get over it. It has no bearing in this thread.

Right except when the spelling means different things. Last time I checked Marshalls does not execute warrants, protect judicial officials, or transport prisoners.

The US Marshals do and since they are one of the oldest law enforcement agencies it should not be difficult to get the proper spelling.

Not to mention before you post it clearly says Check your spelling!

I would hate to have this guy publish a photo with the caption "US Marshalls arrive in Boston with Neil Entwistle"

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prison

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 40):
Right except when the spelling means different things. Last time I checked Marshalls does not execute warrants, protect judicial officials, or transport prisoners.

The US Marshals do and since they are one of the oldest law enforcement agencies it should not be difficult to get the proper spelling.

Not to mention before you post it clearly says Check your spelling!

I would hate to have this guy publish a photo with the caption "US Marshalls arrive in Boston with Neil Entwistle"

Hawk44

Get over yourself Hawk. Mark is an accomplished Photojournalist at the Boston Hearld with photos in the A.Net DB that will blow you away and a RR of 33. Now let's look at Hawk, you are a know-it-all college kid with a RR of 3. So, I would hazard to guess that Mark knows how to do his job without any comments from the peanut gallery.

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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:22 pm

They should fly them on LH 744, Economy class....it's a real punishment in the air..... Big grin
 
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 42):
They should fly them on LH 744, Economy class....it's a real punishment in the air

Several of the national reports did ask... "Why was this guy flown back to the US first class on a Gulfstream"...?? I'd love to know what we paid for that trip..!!
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RE: US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:54 pm

I will reply in PM Tappan

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