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On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:36 pm

While only a limited number of you might actually have seen the news report, maybe some of you have heard elsewhere, and it's an interesting topic in general. I didn't see anything recent on the forum index.

Channel 7 (ABC local) News in New York City was to do a feature story last week on a proposal for a major replacement airport for New York City. I didn't catch the story, nor have I seen mention of it elsewhere. Anyone know about it?

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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:52 pm

So how many airports can they cram into the NYC airspace? Isn't it already a disaster as it is? What more do they want? Unless they are thinking about say, building something to replace BOTH JFK and LGA then getting rid of those two. But that is about as extreme as it could get. Somehow I HIGHLY doubt that would happen.
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:56 pm

Whenver I see a high-speed train from Manhattan to SWF or Garbrielski Airport on Long Island I'll start beliving it.
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 1):
Somehow I HIGHLY doubt that would happen.

I agree. The New York Port Authority has JFK, LGA and EWR. Why build yet another airport? I mean, isn't it enough with Newark, La Guardia and Idlewild?
 
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:16 pm

Get rid of JFK and LGA, and build an airport with about 8 parallels with quad CATIII approaches, and that should take care of some delays. Don't ask me where to build it though. Wink
 
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Get rid of JFK and LGA, and build an airport with about 8 parallels with quad CATIII approaches, and that should take care of some delays. Don't ask me where to build it though.

Out into the sea off JFK. It will link to EWR via an express train, stopping at Queens, Manhattan (Grand Central?) on the way, at a place where people can transfer to the subway easily.

A new 8-lane highway will be constructed to the new airport. Because JFK is nearby, the Airtrain will be extended to the new airport.

This is my dream. But the probability of that happening in real life is 0.
 
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting Superhub (Reply 5):
This is my dream. But the probability of that happening in real life is 0.

Oh it could easily happen. All you need is a few billion dollars. Two-thirds of it to build the airport and infrastructure, and the rest to shut up the NIMBYs and environmentalists.

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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Superhub (Reply 5):
Out into the sea off JFK.

Your not going to build an airport in the open Ocean, especially in the Atlantic Ocean. The airport would have worse delays because of fog, swells, Nor-easters etc..

The new airport the Port Authority is studying would supplement or replace Teterboro which has had a few widely publicized incidents lately. The new airport would not be a International airport, it might not even be Commercial.
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Don't ask me where to build it though. Wink

Suggest to build the new super-airport into the Jamaica Bay, filling it up, and integrating the "old" JFK. A network of express-trains should link NewYorkBay (as the new name should be) with various areas around, including places in Connecticut, NewJersey and Philadelphia. The cargo-terminal and customs-free-zone should be complemented by a small freight harbour for shipping-lines interested in a swift transfer of sea-cargo onto airfreighters operating farther into the continent.
 
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:00 am

IF it is to replace TEB, it is because of the number of incidents over the last year getting all the residential NIMBY's rilled up in nearby towns. Several years ago, an a/c trying to land at TEB crashed into a house destroying it, as well as the infimous Feb 2, 2005 crash off the north end into a warehouse. I would suspect that biz jet operators and their big time corp owners would have a fit over closing TEB claiming it would hurt business in the region and put pressure on the politicans to not do it.
 
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Oh it could easily happen. All you need is a few billion dollars.

Uh, yeah, that'll maybe buy you a runway.

For a whole new airport and the infrastructure to support it, try something more along the lines of $100 billion or so.

It will never happen. Nor does it even need to, and nor could it, really. There's about as much capacity at NY airports as there is in NY airspace, so building a new airport would accomplish basically nothing.
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Suggest to build the new super-airport into the Jamaica Bay, filling it up, and integrating the "old" JFK. A network of express-trains should link NewYorkBay (as the new name should be) with various areas around, including places in Connecticut, NewJersey and Philadelphia.

This idea is INSANE! Such a ridiculous project would destroy the fragile eco-system in Jamaica Bay and represent a huge waste of taxpayer resources. "Fill in" Jamaica Bay? Are you smoking crack? I have never heard of such an absurd idea.

The days of Robert Moses paving over miles of New York City and Long Island are OVER! New Yorkers do not want and do not NEED a mega-JFK extending into Jamaica Bay. JFK can easily expand its current facilities and greatly grow its traffic without such outlandish projects.
 
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
The cargo-terminal and customs-free-zone should be complemented by a small freight harbour for shipping-lines interested in a swift transfer of sea-cargo onto airfreighters operating farther into the continent.

You can't get large vessels into Jamaica bay because of the shallow waters and the MTA Subway bridges which would block large traffic, Jamaica Bay is an estuary not a Harbor.
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:25 am

Why not just expand ISP and take some of the load of off LGA?
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:29 am

I live in Howard Beach, near JFK...getting a new international airport here is so far down the list of priorities here that it would not happen for decades even if the idea were true...There are so many backward thinking NIMBY's here that that alone would stop the idea dead in its tracks....remember we couldnt even get the Olympic Stadium approved after a very rough public and politcal 2 year process..I dont want to imagine what the airport approval process would be like. For now New York's priorities are:

Rebuilding Ground Zero.
Expanding rail connections.
Building a new stadiums for the Mets and Yankees
A new Arena Devlopment for the Nets in Brooklyn.
Waterfront Redevlopment.

Besides, as Pdpsol said, JFK has room to expand on its current acreage.

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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 14):
A new Arena Devlopment for the Nets in Brooklyn.

The NIMBYs might kill that project too, hopefully the Nets will move to downtown Newark with the Devils. The Newark Arena is already under construction.
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 13):
Why not just expand ISP and take some of the load of off LGA?

Only given a highspeed rail between the airport itself and Grandcentral Station or Penn Station. Without a highspeed rail, ISP is only attractive for people in Norforlk and Suffolk Counties.
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RE: On The News: New Airport For NYC?

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:22 pm

So I guess nobody saw the news feature I referred to. It may have had something to do with a new GA reliever airport, I can't say, though that has been in the news recently.

I don't have a clue where they might build a new major airport. An offshore airport would be risky on the Atlantic side, but I wonder if a Long Island Sound version would work (ignoring NIMBYs and assuming environmental consequences would be mediated)?

My personal plan is to put the length of I-95 that's adjacent to EWR in a tunnel, build another long parallel runway over it with enough separation to allow increased activity in bad weather. Then, close the crosswind runway and expand the terminals in that direction. Even more radical, take a rectangle of land east of I-95, in the Newark/Elizabeth ports, and build a new runway and intermodal cargo facility connected to the port. Then, move all the cargo ops on the north and south end to the east side, and make room for more terminal expansion north and south. However, port facilities are a huge economy and we couldn't afford to lose them. And, I'd hate to lose IKEA, and miss watching takeoffs and landings from their cafeteria view!  Smile

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