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Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:13 pm

Seems that we have the first airlines which intends to place an order at the Singapore Air Show:

- Go Air, India, apparently for the A32S
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?c...547d10-f89f-43f7-a174-52e7711135dc

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RE: Orders Tbe At SIN

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:29 pm

Obviously we should also expect the medium-range decision from SIA and the A350/787 announcement from Emirates. Possibly the Aeroflot order as well
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:44 pm

Yep, seems Go Air will be making this year's first large double digit narrow body announcement.... For the A320 family of course, if there would still be any doubt left as to what is the preferred plane in this category.

Wonder what the time frame for delivery will be, because manufacturing slots are getting tight in TLS and XFW. Maybe Airbus will need to up the production rate once more and hire even more than the planned 5,500 new workers this year alone to keep more or less pace with demand? Or is this one of those Asian orders that could be assembled in the new Chinese Airbus factory? Would be nice to announce it on an Asian airshow then, just to make sure to hit the headlines in the press allover the continent.

[Edited 2006-02-14 13:52:31]
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting RICARDOAB (Reply 1):
A350/787 announcement from Emirates.

I thought this one had been delayed at least till march or even further?
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:07 pm

I went to the Aerodrome India Expo 2005 in BLR in Dec 05 and Boeing were there. The Chief of Manufacturing hinted the Boeing will be investing heavily in India. I wonder if Airbus will follow suit and create a plant there in the near future. I posted the same question to the lady who does the Airbus factory guide in Toulouse (again in Dec 05 - day trip) and she was like "watch this space"....we might be getting a big announcement from Airbus instead of the airlines....you never know
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:12 pm

WOW!

Now thats some deal, i just hope the new players dont rap up quickly. I know for sure Indian, Air India, Jet, Kingfisher and Air deccan are here to stay.

We will have to wait and watch about the new comers.

Thanks for the info.

Some day i should be flying on one of the carriers.

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:13 pm

Maybe QR will clear up their 777 decision  Smile

We may also see a fleet decision from GF  Smile

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:20 pm

Perhaps we'll also see QF's long-range aircraft order.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:49 am

I wouldn't expect to see QF or EK make announcements. I think SQ will be the main one and that's going to be 787/772LR/748-IF (not 100% sure about the last one).

Should be a good show and of course, there'll be a fair few smaller orders.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:58 am

Do not expect EK A350/787 decisions so early at the Singapore Air Show.
Airbus will freeze the definitive version of the A350 not before March , and Boeing didn't yet launch the 787-10 version.
Are we sure SIA will announce their order at the show ?
Seems too early for QR to announce anything about their 777/A346 contest , as probably Airbus didn't yet take any definitive decision about a new A346E model.
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 2):
Yep, seems Go Air will be making this year's first large double digit narrow body announcement....

Nope, the honour of the first double digit narrow body announcement has already gone to Airbus, twice in fact.  Wink

1: 9 x A320s & 5 x A321s for an Undisclosed Customer as announced by Airbus last week and booked on January 2nd

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/#

2: 14 + 6 A319 for Hamburg International, granted they were booked last year but Airbus only confirmed it on Feb 13th

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...319_hamburg_international_eng.html

Back on topic. It will be an interesting show, the more so given this will be the last time the event will be held in Singapore. SQ could well be the main focus though given the complexity and size of their order they may not, yet, be in a position to announce anything.

Here are a couple that are from the region but no-one seems to have mentioned which we may see "firmed" up.

Viva Macau, 12 x A350 or B787-8

CR Airways, Details of the LoI for 737s & 787s announced in December

Jagson Airlines, May finalise their order and Lease requirements for 13 + 6 A321s which their CEO recently stated they were in final negotiations for.

Philippine Airlines, they are apparently deciding between 4-6 A340/B777 so maybe an announcement from them.

EVA, they had an RFP for 10-12 A320s or 737NG to replace MD-90s, last heard no final decision had been made.

We may also see S.A.L.E. announce placement of some of their outstanding orders with some carriers on the Leasing front too.

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):

Nope, the honour of the first double digit narrow body announcement has already gone to Airbus, twice in fact. Wink

1: 9 x A320s & 5 x A321s for an Undisclosed Customer as announced by Airbus last week and booked on January 2nd

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/#

2: 14 + 6 A319 for Hamburg International, granted they were booked last year but Airbus only confirmed it on Feb 13th

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...319_hamburg_international_eng.html

Back on topic. It will be an interesting show, the more so given this will be the last time the event will be held in Singapore. SQ could well be the main focus though given the complexity and size of their order they may not, yet, be in a position to announce anything.

Here are a couple that are from the region but no-one seems to have mentioned which we may see "firmed" up.

Viva Macau, 12 x A350 or B787-8

CR Airways, Details of the LoI for 737s & 787s announced in December

Jagson Airlines, May finalise their order and Lease requirements for 13 + 6 A321s which their CEO recently stated they were in final negotiations for.

Philippine Airlines, they are apparently deciding between 4-6 A340/B777 so maybe an announcement from them.

EVA, they had an RFP for 10-12 A320s or 737NG to replace MD-90s, last heard no final decision had been made.

We may also see S.A.L.E. announce placement of some of their outstanding orders with some carriers on the Leasing front too.

Regards, PanAm_DC10

Once again a great and detailed analisis PanAm_DC10.
Looks like many of us have forgotten about the smaller players out their. This Airshow also promises to be very interesting.

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):

Garuda's 787s have not been firmed up either. Let's hope it happens.  Smile
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:29 pm

Maybe some A320/737 orders from upstarts in the region?

Are SQ evaluating the 787-8 & 9, or will they wait until the -10 is availible? I would have thought they are only interested in aircfaft larger than the 787-9.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 13):

Are SQ evaluating the 787-8 & 9, or will they wait until the -10 is availible? I would have thought they are only interested in aircfaft larger than the 787-9.

The B787-8 would allow SQ to increase 3x/4x weekly service to some European cities to daily which would increase yields.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:30 pm

ok one this i would like to point out. i dont think BOEING is taking part at all in the air show. check out www.asianaerospace.com.
I am flying to sin for it monday.. and there is no word from boeing about their presence.. its a shame!
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 15):
ok one this i would like to point out. i dont think BOEING is taking part at all in the air show. check out www.asianaerospace.com.
I am flying to sin for it monday.. and there is no word from boeing about their presence.. its a shame!

Suggest you view this link. Seems as though Boeing will, in fact, be there!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060216/sfth035.html?.v=40
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:06 pm

PanAm_DC10

Always great informations from you.Very appreciated Sir !!!!

I have some comments about what you wrote

Viva Macau is already supposed to have chosen the 787.Firmed up at the show ?

If PR purchase A340s or 777s , do they have in sight to reopen European routes ? Will be nice to see them again at CDG.
Despite surely they will not place any A380 order at the show , do they still are interested in this plane , as the CEO declared some months ago.Would be ideal for their Californian routes.

The A320 order that Eva is planning to announce (at the show ?) is not for them , but for their affiliate Uni Air.


Perhaps some surprises at the show , despite Singapore traditionnally is not the place where many orders are announced.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:08 pm

Thank you Wings & FCKC always nice talking orders with you  Smile

Quoting FCKC (Reply 9):
With Aeroflot we never know

So true, a report today carried by Reuters quoting a Russian publication states that Airbus have re-tendered their proposal. So the RFP is still open. Interestingly, it states 22 firm plus 12 options so it appears they increased the RFP. Anyway, I doubt we'll see that order announced.

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 12):
Garuda's 787s have not been firmed up either. Let's hope it happens.

Garuda have their financial problems. In fact, they may well Lease their 787s in which case we may find out whom ILFC or LCaL have placed some of their frames with**. Again, I'm not so sure we'll see this one announced.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 17):
Viva Macau is already supposed to have chosen the 787.Firmed up at the show

Their decision does appear to favour the 787-8 though we've all learnt it's not over until it's signed. Just look at QRs "LoI" for the 777s and the status of it now.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 17):
If PR purchase A340s or 777s , do they have in sight to reopen European routes ? Will be nice to see them again at CDG.

The question here is, what becomes of the deposits that Boeing retain for the 4 x 744 PAX that are deferred? That is the issue which will resolve this order, in my opinion anyway.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 17):
The A320 order that Eva is planning to announce (at the show ?) is not for them , but for their affiliate Uni Air.

You are correct and I thank you for the clarification. Please note I did not say that the order would be announced at the show, rather, it's a regional RFP which is yet to be announced and may be announced at the show.

**There is a possibility that another carrier from the region may do that instead, just a hunch and I could well be wrong  Wink

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 16):
Suggest you view this link. Seems as though Boeing will, in fact, be there!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060216/s....v=40

Thank you PhilSquares for the link. From that link I shall take the following text;

Dinesh Keskar, senior vice president, Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes, will provide an overview of South and Southeast Asia's commercial aviation industry and the company's products and services that are supporting this growth market.

Here is my "wildcard" call. Spicejet, finally, confirm their 10 737 Options Conversions with Boeing on a formal basis. 738s & 739ERs and further Options and some Leases too.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 17):
Perhaps some surprises at the show , despite Singapore traditionnally is not the place where many orders are announced

Again, you raise a valid point. I mean don't Boeing let their customer's announce their orders when it suits the customer and not them? That said, last year seemed to see them take a slightly different stance to that policy in response to the unprecedented year that 2005 was. Let's hope that we see some order announcements so we can see the ensuing discussion's on certain carriers and their fleet plans.

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:32 am

Many thanks again PanAm_DC10 for all these clarifications.
I totally forgot the deposits PR has made with Boeing for these 4 744s.
Is it an indication they will go 777 ? Can Airbus pay for these deposits to win the order ? In fact the key is : how much money did PR already give to Boeing ?

Yes Airbus has proposed (as already mentionned in a new topic) a 100M$ discount to Aeroflot.Certainly Boeing will react , and then Airbus , then Boeing , till one of them will say :"We can't go further" , thus we will know the name of the winner.I also do not forget the compensations Russia will have , as Airbus and Boeing are ready to invest in this country , especially for the A350 and 787 programms.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:28 am

Anyone seen this article yet:
Boeing vs. Airbus: The next bout

Quote:
All Nippon, Japan's second-largest carrier, is poised to place a firm order this month for 53 long-range planes estimated at $13 billion from Boeing. The Tokyo-based airline wants to use the 365-seat 777-300ERs to replace its fleet of Boeing 747 and 777 planes, passing over the Airbus A380.

This is the stunner which was first discussed last summer. Firm orders!
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:08 pm

It seemed like Boeing will win a big order in the Asian Aerospace. Look forward to hear good news from Boeing.  Wink
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 19):
In fact the key is : how much money did PR already give to Boeing ?

Hi FCKC, the best answer I can provide, given I don't know the actual amount, is, more than PAL can afford to let Boeing keep!

Quoting FCKC (Reply 19):
Yes Airbus has proposed (as already mentionned in a new topic) a 100M$ discount to Aeroflot

Please note, I answered your question with that information before the other thread was posted  Wink

As an aside, TAM today announced they will take 4 extra A320s in 2006

We should also take in account what Mr Forgeard of EADS has stated about the Airshow, the following is a fair use excerpt from a Bloomberg;

By Sandrine Rastello: Feb. 16 (Bloomberg) --
Airbus is unlikely to announce any ``major'' contract during the Singapore air show next week, Forgeard also said, according to Les Echos.


I guess we'll find out his definition of major next week!

Lumberton Thank you for the report, it is very interesting to see talk emanate for that order again, the more so given ANA are undertaking a Capital raising to fund new aircraft purchases.

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:47 pm

Hey...

Here is the following from bloomberg...


"Boeing Stakes Position as Dominant Maker of Big Planes on 747-8
February 17, 2006 07:08 EST -- Boeing Co. is staking its position as the dominant maker of the biggest passenger planes on selling Singapore Airlines Ltd. the first of a longer, more fuel- efficient version of its 747 model."

So here it is...

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:57 pm

If thats true, then I give 3 cheers for the 747-8I and SIA. I can´t find anything on bloombergs webpage though...
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:15 am

Hello BoeingBus!

I still can´t find anything like you quoted on Bloomberg or elsewhere.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:17 am

Are these eventual 747-8s for SIA , pax or freighters ?
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:28 am

Paramount Aw will sign during the show an order for 10 Embraer 190s and 5 Embraer 175s.
They already have 2 170s and will get 3 175s , all leased from GECAS.

PanAm_DC10

In the hunting of new orders , British Aw has just bought 3 A321s , 1 A320 , and has converted 3 A319 orders to A320s for delivery 2007-2008 , to replace 10 ex BCAL A320s.They still have 36 A320 family aircraft on option.
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 27):
In the hunting of new orders , British Aw has just bought 3 A321s , 1 A320 , and has converted 3 A319 orders to A320s for delivery 2007-2008 , to replace 10 ex BCAL A320s.They still have 36 A320 family aircraft on option.

Interesting news FCKC. So this means a new order for 4 frames? This vote of confidence towards the A320 family by British Airways should lead to an overall B737 replacement with the A320s.

Would you happen to have a link?

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:51 am

Misleading quote regarding SIA... That's from Bloomberg as well, same date:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=amzxgqhQcrf8

Boeing, Airbus Look to Asia to Sell Long-Range Planes (Update1)

Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co. will pitch its long-range aircraft to Asian airlines, the most profitable in the world, in an effort to beat Airbus SAS in the value of orders for a second straight year.

Boeing will offer the 747-8, a larger and more fuel- efficient version of its 20 year-old 747-400 Jumbo model, to Singapore Airlines Ltd., Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. and other carriers next week at the Asian Aerospace 2006 show in Singapore. The Chicago-based plane maker will also market the 777, including the longest-range version of the plane.

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:56 am

NA,

Here you go...

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conews&tkr=BA:US

but now it states the following:

Boeing Stakes Role as Top Large-Plane Maker on 747-8 (Update2)
February 17, 2006 11:21 EST -- Boeing Co. is staking its position as the dominant maker of the biggest passenger planes on selling Pakistan International Airlines Corp. and other Asian carriers the first of a longer, more fuel-efficient version of its 747 model.


More than one asian carrier?

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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:21 am

Gotta love when the news agencies change their articles after being quoted.
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:42 am

Can we say , PIA has signed for 747-8s ? Very strange.........

Wings , sorry not to be able to give you a link , about the BAW order , but this information came from aerotransport.org , in the Speednews chapter , but you have to be a subscripter to get it.A friend of mine gave me this information as he is a subscripter.Disculpa....
 
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RE: Orders To Be Expected At SIN Air Show

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 17):
If PR purchase A340s or 777s , do they have in sight to reopen European routes ?



Quoting FCKC (Reply 19):
Is it an indication they will go 777 ? Can Airbus pay for these deposits to win the order ? In fact the key is : how much money did PR already give to Boeing ?



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 22):
is, more than PAL can afford to let Boeing keep!

Is it the 365 seat 773ER version under consideration? What about the 748? How is PR's current financial health? If A doesn't have an option for PR to get around this difficulty, B indeed is strongly leveraged.
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