TheFlyGuy2
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Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:46 am

Hi All,

Does anyone remember when smoking was allowed on airplanes?

Any Memories?

All you Flight Attendants- Memories?

My first flight was on a Delta Flight from MSP-ORD, and people were smoking!

This was in January, 1989, I was four.

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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:50 am

I always thought it was a joke the way they would put the smokers in the back of the airplane. Like there was an invisible wall that would magically keep the smoke in that part of the airplane.

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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
I always thought it was a joke the way they would put the smokers in the back of the airplane. Like there was an invisible wall that would magically keep the smoke in that part of the airplane.

better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:04 am

I haven't been on a plane in maybe 10 years or more where you could smoke. In the late 80's California banned smoking on all flights within the state, around the same time there was a ban on smoking on U.S. flights under 2 hours. That was later extended to flights under 6 hours and now a full ban. I believe it was NW that did a smoking ban for domestic flights ahead of the 6-hour ban, and I think DL did the first systemwide ban.

Occasionally a flight longer than 2 hours would go out all non-smoking before the 6-hour ban if there weren't enough seats in the section reserved for non-smokers, since anyone requesting a non-smoking seat had to be accomodated. It was just easier for the airline to make the flight all non-smoking rather than reseat a couple rows of passengers to extend the non-smoking section.

In the waning years of smoking on planes, the only thing I objected to was non-smokers reserving a smoking seat in a small first class cabin to forcibly reduce the numbers of smoking seats. This happened a few times to me on CO where a DC-9 had only two rows of first, and both times the crew asked the non-smoking couple to move to the first row so smokers could sit in their seats.

I am amused by reports I read that smoking bans haven't appreciably improved cabin air quality, that supposedly is regulated more by the quality of the air filtering and proportion of fresh air in the mix.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
I am amused by reports I read that smoking bans haven't appreciably improved cabin air quality, that supposedly is regulated more by the quality of the air filtering and proportion of fresh air in the mix.

I too have read such reports and find it highly amusing.....in the days when they permitted smoking on board, inevitably, after even a 5-6 hours flight, you would notice that your clothes would be carrying a smell of cigarette smoke....I personally used to encounter stinging sensations in the eyes and redness too.....none of these things happen these days....

Must say that the jerks who publish such reports are on the payroll of the tobacco lobby somewhere.....
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:21 am

When smoking went to the back half of the cabins it became quite noticeable how much crud was in the air....all you had to do was look at the sidewalls on a 727-200 and see them turn progressively darker and darker yellow/brown as they went towards the rear. Course the advantage of smoking on the aircraft is that your taste buds were numb and that's why everyone thought the food was better back then...just kidding!!
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)

You didn't have to go to Russia. Lufthansa used to do the same!
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting PM (Reply 6):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
better than the old Russian system of smokers on one side of the aisle and non-smokers on the other ( I'm serious!)

You didn't have to go to Russia. Lufthansa used to do the same!

Whichever way they did it, either the Russian / LH way, or dumping all the 'chimneys' to the back of the aircraft, the smoke just used to get around to wherever you may have been sitting in the plane.....the best solution was to ban it altogether.....
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4):
Must say that the jerks who publish such reports are on the payroll of the tobacco lobby somewhere.

Far be it from me to expect level-headed discussion on a.net.  Wink

The one thing that's never really brought up when this issue arises are the sheer number of pollutants you breathe in just sitting on the taxiway waiting your turn to get into the air. I've sat on planes parked behind 747's belching out so many fumes that I thought I'd get fresher air by hooking up a tube to the exhaust from a diesel city bus.

The truth is that air on aircraft is inherently bad, and is worse than it needs to be due to decisions of airlines and aircraft makers. Address all the problems, not just one of them.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:52 am

Whatever rationalisations people might make about air quality the simple fact for me is that in the days of smoking being allowed every time I flew it triggered an asthma attack. I've never had one on a no smoking flight.

And - yes - the same goes for smoking and non smoking restaurants.

Thje only difference that non-smoking sections of planes made to me was to reduce the severity of the attack. I was often confronted with the advice that there were no seats left in the non-smoking section. They always found one when I described what the FAs and my fellow passengers would have to deal with. After awhile my FF airlines (UA QF and NZ) learned to assign me aseat as far away from the smokers as possible at the time I made the booking.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:10 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, Air China still allows smoking!
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 10):
Air China still allows smoking

So does Aeroflot on domestic flights. I flew Moscow to St. Petersburg a two years ago, and people were smoking onboard.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:26 am

Back in 1999 MH allowed smoking, but only on flights to and from Tokyo. I found that rather interesting, amusing and extremely convenient.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:43 am

I rememer a flight with OA two or three years ago. Smoke was allowed on a determinate rows and the first rows of Business Class.

Two: more african airliners as Air Ivoire, Aerocontractors, Air Burkina,... allows all its passengersa to smoke after take off and land.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:01 am

Myself, I believe smoking is horrible to do on aircraft.... but it did save one guys life who was on that air florida crash in New York, it was because he wanted a smoking seat that he was seated at the back of the aircraft which is where the people who survived the crash were located.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:04 am

I remember those days. I still smoke, but I can handle a flight without lighting up, but you know, it'd be nice if they gave us smokers a place in an AIRPORT where we might light up prior to boarding. Too many places, you have to go outside the security area, have a smoke, and then reclear security.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:08 am

Aparrently some airlines in the middle east still allow smoking!!!

well so iv heard! does anyone know anyhing about this???
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The truth is that air on aircraft is inherently bad, and is worse than it needs to be due to decisions of airlines and aircraft makers. Address all the problems, not just one of them.

Yes, but why not stamp out the one immediately controllable and harmful source of pollution onboard...what's wrong with that??

And I still maintain that the nuts who said that banning smoking has not made a significant difference to the air quality onboard are probably on the payroll of the tobacco lobby....they (the lobby) have been known to do much worse things to protect their interests.....

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Far be it from me to expect level-headed discussion on a.net.

Well, this is a forum to express one's personal opinions on aviation related subjects, right.....opinions are opnions and whether they are level headed or not is just a perception....  smile 
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:17 am

a smokers gally would be cool i said it a long time ago on a smoking thread especially on flights over 4 hr it is hell if your a smoker not to able to light up
in that amount of time in flight.
maybe they could come up with an idea on the A380 since the plane is so big
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying
as long as the health freaks shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Brink777 (Reply 19):
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying

That would be a very good idea. Here in Ireland there is a complete blanket ban in smoking in public places ie pubs, restaurants etc and they dont even allow smoking rooms. It would be horror for a smoker on a 10hr flight not being able to light up!!!
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 17):
Yes, but why not stamp out the one immediately controllable and harmful source of pollution onboard...what's wrong with that??

You're more than welcome to copy/paste for us where I ever stated it was wrong to ban smoking on airplanes.

My point is that smoking is what is picked out of the basket of inflight pollutants, while the others are dismissed, even though they may be similarly controlled with little effort.

If you want cleaner air, why not go all the way?
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Brink777 (Reply 19):
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying
as long as the health freaks shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about somewhere down below the cabin floor, in an unpressurised and unheated cargo hold....? After all, you guys do argue that the fag warms you up..... Big grin  duck 
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:30 am

Aeroflot in no way allows smoking on domestic flights since at least 2002. It is true that people will occasionally smoke and nothing is done about it, especially in the lavatories, but official policy is that it is not allowed. This goes for Pulkovo and S7 as well.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Keego (Reply 20):
Here in Ireland there is a complete blanket ban in smoking in public places ie pubs, restaurants etc and they dont even allow smoking rooms.

And there's no harm in that! The smoking ban in Ireland is a great idea!
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:38 am

I flew on Air Europa from Fiumicino to Barajas during the summer of 2002. My friend sat in the back and didn't know there was smoking allowed he has asthma and suffered big time, if I had known before we left the gate I would've switched seats but the entire cabin filled up so it really made no difference.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:39 am

1997 Northwest 747-100 GMP (Then SEL)-NRT. We were non-reving, and the flight was almost full, but since I was only a little 6-year-old stuck with a bunch of chimnies, the FA moved us to the non-smoking section.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 24):
Quoting Keego (Reply 20):Here in Ireland there is a complete blanket ban in smoking in public places ie pubs, restaurants etc and they dont even allow smoking rooms.
And there's no harm in that! The smoking ban in Ireland is a great idea!

Same here in New Zealand ..All Indoors public and work areas must be Non Smoking ..Its great ..Even when i used to smoke i always requested a non smoking seat when smoking was allowed on board ..Hated that smoking section even thou the non smoking section had cigarette smoke wafting over head its section as well
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:45 am

Some airlines to add to the list: Cubana, Iran Air, and Garuda still allow smoking...I believe MEA does as well.

-IR
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:52 am

Oh lord... threads that start like this one somehow make me feel old...  Wink

In my case, the last flight on which smoking was allowed - and I, a nonsmoker, had to sit in the smokers section because a lot of [insert expletive of choice] smokers wanted to sit in non-smoking because of the better air... they then wandered back into the smoking section, sat down next to me, polluted my air, felt like blabbering about all kinds of things (and bragging about the low fares they had paid - not knowing that I was on a nonrev ticket... so the discussion was one they simply couldn't win) and then went back to fresh air...

Damn... I am so glad smoking's not permitted on all the airlines that I usually use!!!

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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting EIA (Reply 24):
And there's no harm in that! The smoking ban in Ireland is a great idea!



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 27):
Same here in New Zealand ..All Indoors public and work areas must be Non Smoking ..Its great ..Even when i used to smoke i always requested a non smoking seat when smoking was allowed on board ..Hated that smoking section even thou the non smoking section had cigarette smoke wafting over head its section as well

its great I dont mind smoke at all, but I wont complain (pardon the pun) about it being banned from planes, or anywhere as a matter of fact
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:19 am

Smoking was allowed on EK upto and including 2000!

My cousin smokes and we would go to the back of the plane and chat with a bunch of smokers............

when I flew CDG-DXB back in 2001, there was already a "no smoking" ban...
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Thread starter):
This was in January, 1989, I was four.
My first flight was on a Delta Flight from MSP-ORD, and people were smoking!

Not in 1989 they where not... I'm sure MSP to ORD is less then 2 hours... plus Delta was first to stop all smoking... but I forgot when in the mid '80's.

1988- No smoking on US domestic flights less then 2 hours.
1990- No smoking on US domestic flights less then 6 hours.
1998- No smoking on any US domestic carrier worldwide.
2000- No smoking *period* on any airline (my guess is only within the US)
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):

I am amused by reports I read that smoking bans haven't appreciably improved cabin air quality, that supposedly is regulated more by the quality of the air filtering and proportion of fresh air in the mix.

 redflag  A quick google finds that second hand smoke is responsible for 85%+ of harmfull pollutants. I "googled": inflight cabin pollutants smoking

1st link:
http://tc.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/13/suppl_1/i8

Quote:
In-flight air quality measurements in ~250 aircraft, generalised by models, indicate that when smoking was permitted aloft, 95% of the harmful respirable suspended particle (RSP) air pollution in the smoking sections and 85% of that in the non-smoking sections of aircraft cabins was caused by SHS.



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 17):

Yes, but why not stamp out the one immediately controllable and harmful source of pollution onboard...what's wrong with that??

 checkmark  As a combustion engineer I was forced to study the harmfull impact of combustion generated pollutants as part of my masters degree. Every study I dug into refered back to a smoking study to determine the impact of a pollutant! If you're really bored about pollutant spread, look up studies by Dunn-Rankin, Elghobashi, Sirignano. Yes, that list is heavy west coast US.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 29):

Damn... I am so glad smoking's not permitted on all the airlines that I usually use!!!

 checkmark 

Also, second hand smoke is the worst remaining proven carcinogen that we expose ourselves to involuntarily. Ergo, why is banned in all California work places (including bars).

Funny thing happened in California when smoking was banned from bars, business went up, markedly! More non-smokers will avoid a bar that has smoking than non-smokers will avoid a bar if it bans smoking... Interesting, eh?

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 22):
After all, you guys do argue that the fag warms you up...

 rotfl  That means something quite different is US slang...  rotfl 
No judgement call, just a funny turn; just as "pissed" as an expression amuses me. Or how in the US "Randy" is a name while in Britain it means... And in the US "Shag" is a carpet, not a verb!

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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:31 am

Probably the last flights where had a choice of smoking or non-smoking was in the early 1990's. The USA banned smoking on at first most flights within the USA, except to Alaska and Hawaii where the flight segment was 6 hours or more, but then after a few years, all USA airline flights were under the ban.
Sen. Lautenberg (D-NJ) was one of the big pushers for it, as an ex-smoker and heeding the complaints of passangers and especially cabin crew. Much like with bans in many public places like resturants and bars, it is the 2nd hand smoke exposure to other patrons and especially the workers and the effects on their health that triggered these bans on airlines. I believe Qantas was an early international airline to ban smoking on most and all of it's flights. Some Asian airlines were very slow to ban smoking during flights domestically or internationally to/from the USA and elsewhere.
Most airlines eventually went along with the ban as it meant they didn't have to deal with fights between smokers and non-smokers, their cabin crew had a reduction in illness absences, didn't have to play musical seat with balancing smokers/non-smokers, cleaner cabins, cleaner cabin air systems, as well as reductions in the level of use and maintence and therefore the costs of operating the cabin air systems.
I do agree that there should be designated smoking areas near airport gates to realize the issue of addiction some smokers have as well as that smoking helps some reduce the anexity of flying.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Thread starter):
Does anyone remember when smoking was allowed on airplanes?

Sure, October 2004. Two buddies and I flew DTM-PMI on Air Berlin, we sat in the second last row and smoked like there is no tomorrow.

When we flew back three days later (it was November meanwhile) we were not allowed to smoke anymore. Since November 2004 are all Air Berlin flights non-smoking flights.

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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 37):
A quick google finds that second hand smoke is responsible for 85%+ of harmfull pollutants. I "googled": inflight cabin pollutants smoking

 redflag  yourself. That's why I said I was "amused" by those claims.

Again, I've never stated that smoking shouldn't have been banned from aircraft, but it's not the only pollutant. I even gave the example of sitting on the runway behind belching aircraft, that the filtering system on current planes do little to clean up.

Quote me if you like, but don't distort what I've said.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:46 am

Yeah I sure remember sitting down the back of those old and beloved Iberia 727's... some flights, especially between Dublin and Spain in the summer with all the Spanish students heading to or returning from Ireland (to study English) used to be great fun. I remember a few flights in which it was like a fiesta down the back of the plane, with the crews organising for all the smokers seated in the no-smoking area to get turns to come back to smoke. I even remember an Iberia f/a once asking me if I minded if a rather attractive young Spanish teenager could sit on my lap so she could smoke!! And I'm not joking you... oh those were the days! I believe smoking was banned on most European airlines in the 90's...
Actually I also remember once I had wanted a smoking seat but there weren't any available on an IB flight between CDG and MAD. Can't remember the exact reason, but before take-off an airhostess asked me if I'd mind moving upto Business class so a girl there could sit beside the girl beside me (confusing) who were friends and that the business class seat was in the smoking section... I was "well, if you absoloutely insist, sure, I suppose I don't mind swapping my non-smoking economy seat for a smoking business class seat in row 1". Was one of the best airline meals I've had inta-Europe as well. Can't remember though if it was one of the old DC-9's or an MD-87.
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Brink777 (Reply 19):
a smokers gally would be cool i said it a long time ago on a smoking thread especially on flights over 4 hr it is hell if your a smoker not to able to light up
in that amount of time in flight.
maybe they could come up with an idea on the A380 since the plane is so big
a smokers galley and charge a little extra i would not mind paying
as long as the health freaks shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Air France had something similar to this back in 1997. The flight attendants used to get sort of angry as the smoking area was right next to the galley. It was only blocked from the other passengers by the regular curtains, but they did have some sort of air filter. It was a MUCH better system in my mind than having smoking allowed in the seats. Although, if the airplane hit clear air turbulance, there might be a lot of injuries...

Back when smoking was permitted, wasn't the percentage of fresh air circulated into the cabin much greater than it is today? I wish they would bring more fresh air in the plane now - when you hear someone coughing before a long flight you know there's a good chance you'll be coughing by the time you land.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:11 am

one more thing and i got to go to work im sure the health freaks will be happy that im leaving and this is to all you health freaks think of the air that you are breathing outside!!!!!!!!!!! just watch the discovery channel or national geographic channel and then compare second hand smoke statistics maybe you will see that smoking or second hand smoke is not so bad at all all these smoking ban laws started in the us its all about making money thats why other coountries are starting to copy the us no one cares about the health some statistics are honestly made up
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Brink777 (Reply 50):
think of the air that you are breathing outside!!!!!!!!!!!

The clean air to smoke ratio is much greater outside than it is inside. no matter how bad the air outside is its still better than the air in a smokey pub. And I must stress all my friends smoke and I dont mind smoke at all.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:38 am

Everyone profits from peoples vices and addictions: drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, television, plastic surgery, shopping (credit card debt is GINORMOUS IN THE US!!!) etc. They're all billion dollar industries and most of us are addicted to one of the things I listed above. I know the dangers of smoking and I still smoke, my grandmother is 86, still smokes and is healthy my aunt is 65 smoked for over 40 years an got cancer. I guess it all depends on genetics.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:47 am

EMBQA:

Sorry,

I was wrong, I actually took my first flight in January of 1988. This was just before the smoking ban went into effect on flight less than two hours. I had to look at an video to correct the date. Because I do remember smoking people around me. In fact, it is in a photo of me on the plane.

Also, Not to say anyone is wrong, but only one source, CNN, says that Delta was the first to enact a ban in 1988. The Delta site actually says nothing about 1988, and only 1995 when they had a full ban.

Northwest Airlines was the first actually, at least according to their site.

Quote:
"April 23 Northwest bans smoking on all North American flights, the first major U.S. airline to do so."

Thanks

[Edited 2006-02-14 23:59:09]
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 10):
Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, Air China still allows smoking!

I'm correcting you, Air China does not allow smoking anymore

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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Highpeaklad (Reply 60):
Air China does not allow smoking anymore

Thanks for clarifying that!
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:06 am

1988 ban went into effect April 23, 1988

1990 ban went into effect February (mid to late month), 1990.
 
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:42 am

I smoke and I also drink, OK grow up in Europe and I remember these days
free booze and smoking on the aircraft, do I miss that time? oh yessss
However I never was around ignorant people in restaurants, bars & aircrafts I also never had a problem when I was ask by an non smoker if I could put out
my smoke or move some were a way, no problem for me at any time.

What gets me is like I was in LA, walking down the road enjoying my smoke
in the beauty full LA air around 1300 mind my own business and I got shi. on by a so called "health" guy which was jogging at that time......... of day!!!
We could see the smog from far a way as we came from San Diego torwards
LA late in the morning.

All these Studies are fine but just smoking will not kill, there are so many other factors involved and yes how many non smokers are killed every year by cancer????? not related by smoke?????

As a smoker I would support so called smoker rooms and I do support non
smoking in confined spaces.

Cheers,
 
Gr8Circle
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 37):
That means something quite different is US slang...
No judgement call, just a funny turn; just as "pissed" as an expression amuses me. Or how in the US "Randy" is a name while in Britain it means... And in the US "Shag" is a carpet, not a verb!

Well...thanks for enlightening me  smile  .... but you know what I was referring to....amazing to see what lengths smokers will go to, to justify their love for inviting an early death....

However, the thread seems to be going wayyyy off topic....although, very interesting indeed....
 
ANother
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:32 am

IMHO, and as an ex-smoker, people that smoke do so because they are addicted. While they may say that they enjoy it, the opposite is likely to be more true. In every smoker is a non-smoker trying to get out, and finding it hard, or impossible to quit.

Those that are trying to quit - please keep trying - it IS possible. People who arn't trying to quit. Been nice knowing ya - but don't you feel just a little guilty throwing all that money into an ashtray?
 
HPLASOps
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:39 am

Why is it new aircraft (I mean 6-7 years or younger) that are not likely to ever leave the US (RJs, ERJs, 733s, 73Gs, A319s) still feature no smoking signs that have to be illuminated, as if the no smoking ban is a temporary thing? Smoking is gone forever on US domestic flights, so why bother with the illuminated sign and not a more permanent sign that doesn't involve lights?
"Just because I know how to get off a freeway doesn't mean I know how to get back on!" - Retard Joe
 
FLALEFTY
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RE: Smoking On Airplanes!

Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:56 am

All I know is that I flew for years in the 70's and 80's with people smoking on planes, and while it stunk, I'm still here....

But newer technology airliners are designed to save fuel by reducing the number of times the air is changed, so I guess that the smoking ban is OK.

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