dforce1
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Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:49 am

I'm trying to do some research on the Australian Airline Industry and I'm hoping I can get help here. I need to know the follow:

How is the industry doing overall? Is it plagued with financial problems like in the United States or are carriers profitable?

What airlines are based or have hubs in Australia? What mix of aircraft do they fly and where to?

Is it difficult to become a flight attendant or a customer service agent for an airline in Australia?

Besides Sydney, what are the busiest airports in terms of airline traffic?

Is there such thing as a low season for airlines in Australia given that Australia's winter is North America's summer?

Any answers would be most useful....I'm also interested in any contacts of any ANetters who work for airlines in Australia
 
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:57 am

Lots of questions - here are a few answers.

Airlines (in approx order of size):

Qantas - based SYD, multiple hubs
Virgin Blue - based BNE, multiple hubs
Jetstar (part of Qantas group) - based MEL, multiple hubs
Australian Airlines (part of Qantas Group) - based CNS
Pacific Blue Australia (part of Virgin group) - based BNE
Eastern Australian Airlines (flies as Qantaslink) - based SYD
Regional Express (Rex) - based SYD (I think) - hubs in ADL, MEL, SYD
Sunstate Airlines (flies as Qantaslink) - based BNE
Skywest Airlines - based PER
Alliance Airlines (mainly charter these days) - based BNE
Ozjet (all business class) - based MEL

Plus many smaller regionals - I think I have covered all the jet operators and major regional passenger airlines

Overall, airlines are doing very well. The Qantas Group and Virgin Blue are among some of the world's most profitable airlines, though both were helped hugely post S11 by the collapse of the Ansett Australia group of airlines.

There are busier and quieter times of the year. Business drops off severely in December/January on the major trunk routes but is offset by demand on holiday routes - one example is Tasmania which generally sees many additional services over the southern summer. Due to the vastly changing climate around Australia, there is always somewhere where the weather is nice, and for the purposes of leisure traffic, the airlines can mix and match their schedules accordingly.

Finally in regards airports: Sydney is the biggest in terms of passengers, followed by Melbourne and Brisbane close behind that. Then Perth, Adelaide etc. However, aircraft movements are different - some of the major cities' general aviation airports have massive numbers of movements, such as Bankstown in Sydney.

For aircraft movements go to: http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/reports/maa.asp?

and for passenger numbers, this site is helpful:
http://www.btre.gov.au/statistics/statsindex.aspx
 
nzrich
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:07 am

Well they have 4 Airlines operating now
Qantas major base SYD operates a mixed fleet domestic Business and economy
Virgin Blue Major base BNE operates 737 ngs 700/800 Low Cost Carrier
Jetstar major base MEL operates A320 Low Cost Carrier
Ozjet Major base is MEL i believe operating 737-200 Business Class only
Rex Regional Airlines operates out of ADL MEL SYD operates Saab 340 and Metro 23

All airlines seem to be doing well ,not sure on OZjet but im sure others will be able to tell you more on that..

As for busiest airports
that would be syd ,mel, bne, per ,adl

As for getting a job in the industry i would assume its like in NZ the more airlines that operate in the industry the easier it is to get a job..
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 1):
Pacific Blue Australia (part of Virgin group) - based BNE

Yes this airline is owned by Virgin Blue BUT its operated out of CHC New Zealand with NZ based crews and aircraft .All the aircraft operate with New Zealand registered aircraft and as such operate to New Zealand Law not Australian so i would class this airline as a New Zealand airline
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 3):
Yes this airline is owned by Virgin Blue BUT its operated out of CHC New Zealand with NZ based crews and aircraft

I'm pretty sure Aussie_ was correct - the flights operated from Australia to the Pacific Islands are operated by Australian registered aircraft with Australian based crews. I know we've got at least one Pacific Blue crew member on this website - perhaps they could shed some more light on this.

On the list of airlines mentioned by Aussie_, let me add Macair, a regional airline using Saab 340s, Metros and Caravans, who run a fairly substantial network in Queensland. Also, there is AirNorth, trading as Regional Link, who operate Brasilias out of Darwin. They owned two regional airlines in South Australia, and were planning to market all the operations as Regional Link, and grow from there. Unfortunately the South Australian operations proved to be financially troubled, and were shut down last year.

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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:51 pm

Nope its PB aircraft and PB crew who operate Aussie to Pacific Island flights. DJ738 would be the PB crew member. He should be able to explain more.
 
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:12 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 4):
the flights operated from Australia to the Pacific Islands are operated by Australian registered aircraft with Australian based crews.

Not all the time Ive seen NZ registered DJ flights on the BNE-NAN route not sure if they were one offs or not.



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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting Nzrich (Reply 3):Yes this airline is owned by Virgin Blue BUT its operated out of CHC New Zealand with NZ based crews and aircraft
I'm pretty sure Aussie_ was correct - the flights operated from Australia to the Pacific Islands are operated by Australian registered aircraft with Australian based crews. I know we've got at least one Pacific Blue crew member on this website - perhaps they could shed some more light on this.

On the list of airlines mentioned by Aussie_, let me add Macair, a regional airline using Saab 340s, Metros and Caravans, who run a fairly substantial network in Queensland. Also, there is AirNorth, trading as Regional Link, who operate Brasilias out of Darwin. They owned two regional airlines in South Australia, and were planning to market all the operations as Regional Link, and grow from there. Unfortunately the South Australian operations proved to be financially troubled, and were shut down last year.

V/F[Edited 2006-02-14 22:57:05]

No these flights are operated by NZ based crew and aircraft based in CHC also now a crew base in AKL ... My friend works for them and does the aussie-island flights .. Just like Polynesian blue is also operated by the Pacific blue's NZ based crew and aircraft

There are some Pacific Blue titled aircraft flying for virgin but thats more for advertising than anything else as they are on the Aussie aircraft register operated by Virgin Blues Aussie crews..These aircraft just operate domestic routes in Australia exc the odd flight to CHC for overhauls etc done by Air NZ etc
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:12 pm

Isn't Virgin Blue unable to fly passengers outside of Australia using the "Virgin" brand or on Australian registered aircraft hence the names Pacific Blue and Poly Blue. I heared it was some condition SQ put on SRB (or) DJ when it first started up?




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nzrich
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:24 pm

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 8):
Isn't Virgin Blue unable to fly passengers outside of Australia using the "Virgin" brand or on Australian registered aircraft hence the names Pacific Blue and Poly Blue. I heared it was some condition SQ put on SRB (or) DJ when it first started up?

When SQ took its 49% stake in VS one of its demands were that it had the control of the Virgin name so any new airline that wants to use the name virgin had to get its permission esp for international routes ..
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:03 am

Thanks for all of the useful information everyone! I'd like to work as a flight attendant in Australia for a little bit. Can anyone shed some insight into flight attendant hiring? I believe it says on some of the airlines websites that you must be an Australian citizen or landed immigrant. Is it not possible to go to Australia on a work visa and work for an airline?
 
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 10):
Is it not possible to go to Australia on a work visa and work for an airline?

To work as a flight attendant, you must have an Australian passport.
 
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:55 pm

Most of this has now already been posted, but just to clarify:

PacificBlue is based in CHC, New Zealand. Owned 100% by VirginBlue. Crew bases in CHC and AKL only.

We fly our four New Zealand registered 737-8FE (ZK-PBA, PBB, PBD, PBF) aircraft to VLI, NAN, RAR, TBU, APW, BNE, MEL, SYD, AKL, WLG, and CHC.

All international flights are operated by us. All domestic flights within Australia are operated by VirginBlue.

VH-VUD, VUX, VOX, VOO, VOQ are all VirginBlue aircraft flying for VirginBlue, but in our livery - simply for advertising purposes.
 
nzrich
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 11):

To work as a flight attendant, you must have an Australian passport.

Or a New Zealand passport will do
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RE: Australian Airline Industry

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:36 pm

You can also apply for a temporary resident visa.

Try looking up the websites for Qantas and Virgin Blue, both have listings for their employment policies, and links to the relevant government departments websites.

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