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Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:48 am

Do they wish to have a try with the A320 ?

Written in Aviation Letter February issue.

".......plans to lease two Eirjet A320s from 23/1/06 to March 2006."

Probably to cover a plane shortage and the lease must be quite cheap.
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:55 am

In the far distant past I seem to remember that an earlier version of Ryanair was one of the early customers for the A320...
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
In the far distant past I seem to remember that an earlier version of Ryanair was one of the early customers for the A320...

You mean Ryan International which was flying for Apple Vacations with A320s ? They had no connection with Ryanair as far as know.
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 2):
You mean Ryan International which was flying for Apple Vacations with A320s ? They had no connection with Ryanair as far as know.

No, I mean Ryanair. There was a time when their planned fleet was ATRs and A320s. It may even have happened.
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
In the far distant past I seem to remember that an earlier version of Ryanair was one of the early customers for the A320...

Correct - Ryanair even advertised the A320.

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Probably to cover a plane shortage and the lease must be quite cheap.

No shortage of aircraft - just pilots
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:05 am

Found it. They were going to lease two CFM-powered A320s from GPA (remember them?) for delivery in 1991 and 1992 to augment their 1-11s. It never happened, as far as I know, as Ryanair began gobbling up used 737-200s instead.
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Found it. They were going to lease two CFM-powered A320s from GPA (remember them?) for delivery in 1991 and 1992 to augment their 1-11s. It never happened, as far as I know, as Ryanair began gobbling up used 737-200s instead.

Yes, correct PM, found it as well.
In March 26th, 2005, CH-Aviation website published news that Ryanair would lease A320s from Monarch and eirjet. There was no time frame.
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:16 am

That was the same last year as what it probably is right now: pilot and/or aircraft shortage.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:25 am

FR has rented A320s on wet lease in the past. I flew DUB - BVA on an A320 last march which FR were wet leasing from Eirjet.

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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:29 am

Are they being based @ DUB?

FR has used various airlines' aircraft before, including Excel's 738 machines (based @ STN).
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:43 am

Last years leases were to cover for the structural issues they had with the 732's. This years leases are to cover for lack of pilots for the next six weeks.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 10):
This years leases are to cover for lack of pilots for the next six weeks.

Yep, they've (many of the flight deck crew) hit their 900hrs p.a. limit

As well as the Eirjet lease, FR have also been using XLA pilots during the winter (flying FR a/c)
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:55 am

Also because of some slippage caused by last year's Boeing strike. I think they may still be a couple of frames behind their delivery schedule.

If they just needed pilots they could have hauled them in via an agency. Leasing a full aircraft or two on ACMI is a bit drastic just to cover crew shortages.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
Also because of some slippage caused by last year's Boeing strike. I think they may still be a couple of frames behind their delivery schedule.

If they just needed pilots they could have hauled them in via an agency. Leasing a full aircraft or two on ACMI is a bit drastic just to cover crew shortages.

Well I can tell you for a fact that 5 seperate Ryanair aircraft where sitting on the ground from 1pm (if not before I started work at 12) till 4:30 in DUB today, after that i moved from A peir Ops to C peir ops plus i got a lunchbreak in between so they could have been there longer. One of the Aircraft was only delivered yesterday, there was another one delivered today but that was sticking out of the FR hanger for most of the day, it's not big enough to fit in as the hanger was build for 200's (speaking of which do they ever plan to upgrade the hanger in DUB?).
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:56 am

Hey Smokey - I passed through C at 19:00 this evening, and noticed the FR aircraft 1/4 of the way into their maintenance base. That hangar is history with the new terminal. No doubt if MOL had is way - it would be the new terminal....  Smile

The FR issue is pilot shortage, not aircraft shortage.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:53 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14):
Hey Smokey - I passed through C at 19:00 this evening, and noticed the FR aircraft 1/4 of the way into their maintenance base. That hangar is history with the new terminal. No doubt if MOL had is way - it would be the new terminal....

The FR issue is pilot shortage, not aircraft shortage.

ha, I could picture the aircraft lined up along the apron, why bother taxing in leave it out there and make the passengers walk, that way they don't need push back tugs either and that would save them a couple of minutes too.

Out of curiosity, how much training would pilots need from a 732 to a 738? I mean the 732's only went out of service around the 22nd of Dec, so would the 732 pilots already be operating the 738s? As I'm sure by the time the 732's finished up there was a large enough pool of pilots still operating them.

I guess I'm wondering if the 732's pilots flying the 738's yet?..... Yes that was simpler!
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:14 pm

If they expand too quickly , and have to lease planes for the new routes they are opening , cause pilot shortage , isn't too dangerous for their profits ?
Will they be forced to up the ticket price to be paid by passengers ?
If it's the case , their philosophy will change.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:35 pm

The other way you can look at the pilot shortage is that FR are making the best use of (some of) their assets - their flight deck crew - by ensuring they work their maximum allowable hours.
It may make business sense to lease in a couple of aircraft for a few weeks rather than employ a number of extra crew for the whole year that you simply don't need.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:23 pm

How funny, that twit at Ryanair gave EI-DAC (738) the unofficial name of 'Driving Airbus Crazy' Now he will lease some!
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 13):
Well I can tell you for a fact that 5 seperate Ryanair aircraft where sitting on the ground from 1pm (if not before I started work at 12) till 4:30 in DUB today, after that i moved from A peir Ops to C peir ops plus i got a lunchbreak in between so they could have been there longer.

The same happened today, I'm just back from the airport. Three brand new Ryanair aircraft (with winglets) landed and parked at the usual Ryanair stands at Dublin. I was waiting for them to come back out so I could get a picture of them but the first one didn't depart for a full hour and a half. The other two followed after nearly 2 hours sitting on the ground. There were other Ryanair aircraft at the airport aswell but even they were on the ground for nearly 45 mins - 1 hour before they departed.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Are they being based @ DUB?

They are based at Liverpool and have been since the start of the lease. The aircraft are EI-DIJ and EI-DKF; they should be gone by the end of March. Ryanair still have 3 based B737-800s at Liverpool, Eirjet are just covering for some of the Ryanair flightcrew based at Liverpool which are currently out of hours.

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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 19):
The same happened today, I'm just back from the airport. Three brand new Ryanair aircraft (with winglets) landed and parked at the usual Ryanair stands at Dublin. I was waiting for them to come back out so I could get a picture of them but the first one didn't depart for a full hour and a half. The other two followed after nearly 2 hours sitting on the ground. There were other Ryanair aircraft at the airport aswell but even they were on the ground for nearly 45 mins - 1 hour before they departed

Were they parked because the was no flying scheduled for them, or were they parked because there was no one to fly them?

Have FR been cancelling flights today from DUB, or were the Eirjet aircraft operating?

Out of interest, are Eirjet operating set routes, or can they be seen anywhere on the FR network?

Quoting N754PR (Reply 18):
How funny, that twit at Ryanair gave EI-DAC (738) the unofficial name of 'Driving Airbus Crazy' Now he will lease some!

I don't see Michael O'Leary getting sentimental about what aircraft he's using - Eirjet have operated for FR previously anyway - I do see M O'L ensuring that he gets the best deal, which is what FR have no doubt done.
I'm sure that Eirjet are grateful for a bit of flying coming their way in the winter months, especially if they have 2 aircraft not committed to flying programmes.
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:28 am

if someone ever found a picture it sure would be a rarity but I distinctly recall seeing the Airbus A320 demonstrator in LTN late eighties/early nineties with Ryanair titles.

this was around the time of the ATRs and 1-11's
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 22):
if someone ever found a picture it sure would be a rarity but I distinctly recall seeing the Airbus A320 demonstrator in LTN late eighties/early nineties with Ryanair titles.

You mean this one:
A320-111 F-WWDF MSN 0004, at DUB March 14th, 1988 with added Ryanair titles
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:35 am

Last year for a few weeks Ryanair based a Monarch A320 they leased and was based at Luton.

Ryanair were not too happy with the lease as Monarch struggled to maintain the 25min turnarounds they operate.
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:40 am

Airbus definitely had an A320 painted in the Ryanair colour scheme in the early 90s. I remember watching the Eurovision song contest held in Dublin, which must have been around that time, and between each song they had a clip promoting Ireland, many featuring the Ryanair A320!
 
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RE: Ryanair : 2 A320s On Lease

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting BCALdavid (Reply 25):
Airbus definitely had an A320 painted in the Ryanair colour scheme in the early 90s.

If you read my post, 2 posts before yours, you'll find the confirmation  Smile