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Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:28 am

Hi everyone,

I caught this blurb on KPTV ( http://www.kptv.com ) this morning:

Cape Air (I don't know if it's this Cape Air, of TV Show Wings fame):


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I also don't know their IATA code  Smile

Is adding service from PDX to AST, and PDX to ONP. These cities (AST and ONP) have been without scheduled air carrier service since 2000...small tourist towns on the Oregon Coast.

Sorry, no more info at this time.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:32 am

Cape Air is indeed the airline on which the TV show "Wings" was modeled. It is now a Continental Connection partner, flying both in Florida (with the Cessna 402s) and in Micronesia (with ATRs). I wonder whether the PDX service will be independent, or if it is a new Continental Connection focus?


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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:36 am

A bunch of us were talking about it the other week....i do believe it is independent.

There is also talk of the Bahamas right now...service to possibly start next year...stay tuned.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:38 am

Doesn't Cape Air also fly up in New England? Or am I thinking of another carrier? I am pretty sure I say their 402's flying out of PVD a couple years back...

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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:44 am

Cape Air has authority for the Bahamas but does not want to use it. They have recently pulled out of FLL, so how'd they get to the Bahamas... they found out the hard way how expensive MIA is (they flew APF/MIA last year).

A close friend is in mgt there and said it took them 5 or 6 years to get comfortable with the Virgin Island & get everyone trained... said the Bahamas would take "double that".

They have 54 planes, not sure there are many 402Cs in decent condition for them to expand much more.....
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:45 am

Cape Air has extensive ops. throughout Cape Cod and the Island. They're the only carrier that flies out to places like MVY during the winter, and they are the sole airline at EWB and Provincetown. Neat little airline. I'm hoping that they reach codeshare agreements on those routes too.
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 3):
Doesn't Cape Air also fly up in New England? Or am I thinking of another carrier? I am pretty sure I say their 402's flying out of PVD a couple years back...

Don/ WN CLE

The IATA code is 9K

It is the largest independant regional airline in the U.S.

They do provide lift for CO in Micronesia (ATRs) and Florida (APF, EYW, FLL, TPA with 402's). They also fly from ACK/MVY/HYA to BOS/PVD/EWB and PVC to BOS. SJU-STT and Tortola and another smaller Puertor Rico city is also served as part of their non-share flights.

http://www.flycapeair.com/common/ind...php?lng=ENG&div=AA&nav=AA&page=A01

[Edited 2006-02-15 20:00:03]
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 3):
Doesn't Cape Air also fly up in New England

Also in Florida and Guam. All flights operate as CO Connection. The PDX flights may also operate as CO Connection since Cape Air could gain access to the CO reservation systems for these flights
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
(APF, EYW, FLL, TPA with 402's).

You can also include RSW and SRQ in that Florida mix from TPA for about 3 years now. They are fun to fly with.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting USXguy (Reply 4):
they found out the hard way how expensive MIA is (they flew APF/MIA last year).

What hard way? The flights actually did quite well, and with great yields. However, they were also the only game in town. Delta Connection then came in, so there wasn't a point to stay.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:02 am

after looking at their website again, I forgot how extensive the SJU operation is. Againnot ALL 9K flights are CO Connection - only the ones that are yellow on their maps...

Does anyone know if they are still doing BOS-HPN???
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
Also in Florida and Guam. All flights operate as CO Connection.

I actually met a lady at a bar in SJU who worked for Cape Air who was heading out to Guam for Cape's partnership with CO. We got to talking and it turned out she was from the next town over so she got me a non-rev on SJU-STT-SJU. Wonderful plane ride and I even got to sit in the co-pilot seat on the STT-SJU leg. Great airline and I wish them the best of luck.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:11 am

...let me add that PVD is proud to have 9K service for a few reasosn. People love this airline, it's tie-in with the TV show "Wings," and the way they run thier operation. They don;t cap bbokings on a flight either - once a 10th person books a specific flight, they bring in another plane!!! I've seen them bring extra planes in just for luggage. They also provide PVD with our tiny percentage of connecting passengers since they do interline with most of the legacies...
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 10):
Does anyone know if they are still doing BOS-HPN???

Isnt that a Commutair route?
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
Florida (APF, EYW, FLL, TPA with 402's).

You can add RSW and SRQ to the service from TPA. They've been flying that for about 3 years as CO Connection after CO and Gulfstream International got crossways on the rates charged on those routes.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
Isnt that a Commutair route?

never mind, I answered my own question (for those who care - they are stil doing BOS-HPN a couple times a day during the week).

And yes, Commutair also flies the route as well - both are CO Connection.
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:31 am

More info:

Apparently, the service is not for certain (it is only being studied right now):

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/storie...6_biz_airports_coast.2d924fde.html

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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
Is adding service from PDX to AST, and PDX to ONP. These cities (AST and ONP) have been without scheduled air carrier service since 2000...small tourist towns on the Oregon Coast.

Funny that they are going to Astoria, the setting of Kindergarten Cop. I guess if they do well they can say "It's not a tooma"

Quoting SWACLE (Reply 3):
Doesn't Cape Air also fly up in New England? Or am I thinking of another carrier? I am pretty sure I say their 402's flying out of PVD a couple years back...

Not only do they still fly up there, but they actually offer far better fares than whoever it is flying Cessnas for US up there.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Funny that they are going to Astoria, the setting of Kindergarten Cop.

You left out Steven Speilbergs "The Goonies"  Wink
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
It is the largest independant regional airline in the U.S.

Define 'independant.'
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
Define 'independant.'

Independant has no definition, as it isn't a word. I think they are talking about their ops that are independent from all other carriers including both FPD and at-risk, for which they do all their own marketing, sales and operations.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:51 am

We still fly BOS-HPN 3x a day, Mon-Fri:

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Independent should mean the we dont work for anyone else. All we do is codeshare on flights with CO.

For example, Expressjet works mainly for CoEx, and Comair works mainly for Delta.

In theory, they are there own companies but without the main carriers, they really wouldnt be doing much else.

At least thats how it was explained to me. Seems to make sense!
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 15):
And yes, Commutair also flies the route as well - both are CO Connection.

Suddenly the B1900 looks quite appealing if it's a windy, snowy, or stormy day.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Not only do they still fly up there, but they actually offer far better fares than whoever it is flying Cessnas for US up there.

Umm... do you mean Colgan's B1900's?
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 21):

Independent should mean the we dont work for anyone else. All we do is codeshare on flights with CO.

Select routes are done as Continental Connection and cannot be booked by calling Cape Air - these are the Guam and Florida routes, except for APF-EYW.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:44 am

Maybe its me but I remember the airline name on the show Wings was SANDPIPER that was run by Joe Hackett. Joe's fictitious competitor was AeroMass run by Roy Biggens across the terminal...Faye was my favourite charachter...
The fictitious Sandpiper was based on Nantucket.
Also, the present day Cape Air is more reminiscent of the old Provincetown/Boston Airlines (PBA) oeprations. Their only difference is that they flew more types of aircraft than just the Cessna 402s.

Cessna 402s are great little planes. I used to work for a small airline that used to fly them from my hometown into Chicago Ohare Airport. I logged many flights on them during my tenure and they did a great job. The fun and craziness at the airline I worked for (Propheter Aviation) was just like the nutty stuff that went on at Sandpiper....LOL.

Its too bad everyone thinks they need to fly on a jet.

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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
Define 'independant.'

Independantly owned and operated. Not owned by, a subsidiary of, or the sole provider of service to another carrier or company.

as copied right from the 9K website:

"Now, Cape Air operates a fleet of over 50 Cessna 402's with up to 850 flights per day during high season. Last year Cape Air carried 560,000 passengers, making us the largest independent regional airline in the United States."

Tell 9K that 'independant' isn't a word...
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Astoria, the setting of Kindergarten Cop



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
You left out Steven Speilbergs "The Goonies"

And,

"Short Circuit"
"The Ring"
"The Ring 2"
"Free Willy"
"Free Willy 2"
"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3"
"Benji: The Hunted"
"Come See The Paradise"
"1941" (a little further south down at Cannon Beach)
"Point Break" (same as 1941)
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 22):
Umm... do you mean Colgan's B1900's?

Possible, but I could swear I saw something much smaller. Looking at their site however, I think you are right.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 25):
"Now, Cape Air operates a fleet of over 50 Cessna 402's with up to 850 flights per day during high season. Last year Cape Air carried 560,000 passengers, making us the largest independent regional airline in the United States."

Tell 9K that 'independant' isn't a word...

It looks like 9K spelled it right, and you didn't, again. Sorry dude.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 25):
Independantly owned and operated. Not owned by, a subsidiary of, or the sole provider of service to another carrier or company.

Based on that definition then, Mesa would be:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
the largest independant regional airline in the U.S.

Becuase:

1) It is MUCH larger than Capeair.
2) It is an independEntly owned company, and neither a subsidiary of, nor the sole provider to another carrier, or company—exluding it's own parent holding corporation.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:14 am

aw geesh, me so sorry for no how to spell.

I was sick that day, OK...

seriously though, good catch, you can bet after this, I'll spell it right from now on!
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 29):
aw geesh, me so sorry for no how to spell.

I was sick that day, OK...

seriously though, good catch, you can bet after this, I'll spell it right from now on!

Hey, I was sick yesterday too but I still spelled it right  Silly Thanks for being a good sport.
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 28):
1) It is MUCH larger than Capeair.
2) It is an independEntly owned company, and neither a subsidiary of, nor the sole provider to another carrier, or company—exluding it's own parent holding corporation.

Does Mesa beat the Republic groups? You know, the whole shebang of Reputtleauqua.
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 24):
Maybe its me but I remember the airline name on the show Wings was SANDPIPER that was run by Joe Hackett. Joe's fictitious competitor was AeroMass run by Roy Biggens across the terminal...Faye was my favourite charachter...

Indeed, what you say was true...however, the show's producers used Cape Air as their model, and it was Cape Air's aircraft that were used for filming the flying scenes during the show's title reel.

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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:59 am

Does anyone know where they fly for Air Mike(CO) in Micronesia with ATR's? That would be an interesting bunch of cities considering how small some of those islands are.



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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 33):
Does anyone know where they fly for Air Mike(CO) in Micronesia with ATR's?

Just between Guam, Saipan, and Rota.
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:54 am

Great to see 9K expanding. They're trully a wonderful airline. I do wish they did electronic tickets, though.

And a quick question: Does CO issue electronic tickets when 9K operates as Continental Connection? I know they only do paper tickets with the codeshare out of San Juan.
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:06 am

As a matter of fact....we just started interline eticketing with CO. It is new this January. Hopefully, we will be able to expand eTicketing options, but right now, only with CO. Also, when you check in w/ CO, you are checked all the way through. They are the only airline to be able to do that. I love working for them....Also see 9K planes/pilots being used for Simon's Air in BWI area.
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
What hard way? The flights actually did quite well, and with great yields. However, they were also the only game in town. Delta Connection then came in, so there wasn't a point to stay.

Mark, yer normally ontop of things, but where on earth did you hear this? I knew the APF manager, and even flew APF/MIA a few times. The route is "very" seasonal and the costs in MIA are not even near what they were in FLL. They only did APF/MIA because Teddy (APF auth. director) begged for it and offered some support for it. The route did "ok", but Cape Air's philosophy is not to displace aircraft on routes that could perform better than others.

This is the reason they dropped FLL. They could operate flights, but because of the intense competition between CO-Gulfstream/USAir/FCA they did not send another plane to FL this year to do that route -- again, why break even or make a few dollars when the plane can make more money elsewhere.

Also, the only reason EYW/RSW is CO Connection is because RSW required 9K to operate in a sterile environment, which meant 9K contracting w/ Gulfstream to handle ticketing & security for the RSW Outbounds. Now that the 9K terminal got destroyed by Hurricane Rita and then Wilma (Rita tore up the roof, anytime it would rain it would drip right onto their counter, Wilma tore it to shreds), it was definitely a good move for them.

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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 22):
Suddenly the B1900 looks quite appealing if it's a windy, snowy, or stormy day.

Its funny you should say that. When I flew them it was a nasty morning in SJU with a very low ceiling and a slight rain plus a steady breeze. When I was on the tarmac waiting to board, I was a little nervous thinking it was going to be a bumpy flight. Not at all, that little plane was great in the clouds and it ended up being a very enjoyable flight.
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:28 pm

I like it, I like it. I just wonder who is going to be doing ground work on these flights. CO is worked by ATS here and with the new Delta contract I believe they are stretched thin as it is. I'm not sure CO provides enough feed to support these flights by themselves either as most of their flights are few and far between. Of course, I have no idea how many daily runs 9K will be making.

It'll be a nifty view out the windows though. Some good scenery out that way.
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:40 pm

Most likely Horizon would do the ground handling. They did the ground handling for the other airline that flew those routes. I just can't remember what they were called. We (UA) use to get a few bags every day for their flights.
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:14 pm

I always thought Horizon flew it themselves. Interesting because I have no idea who else would have flown that if not Horizon or Skywest.

And what is ONP? Newport?
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 41):
And what is ONP? Newport?

That's affirmative. Must be an FAA-only identifier, maybe it'll become an official IATA station identifier with sched. service coming soon  

HTML experiment: ONP

Interesting note: AST and ONP both have full ILS'es, the only airports on the Northern half of the Oregon coast that do...North Bend, if I remember correctly, Coos Bay also have them down on the Southern Oregon coast. Pretty important for sched. service, as the ceilings and visibility on the coast can get awfully low.

Also, how's the Cessna 402 for de-icing? Our winters out here are notorious for creating ideal icing conditions in the clouds...I've picked up light rime more times than I can remember while I was getting my instrument rating.

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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:32 am

To add to the Wings discussion, the plane that was used was N121PB, repainted with the Sandpiper name and with N121PP for the show. Wound up talking to a Cape Air agent up in PVC in the early 1990s who knew the details. Ironically it was N121PB that had just come in from BOS. When he found out I was a Wings fan he let me sit in the pilots seat as the return flight wasn't for a while. More power to Cape Air with the new service, they are a great little airline!
 
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RE: Cape Air Announces PDX-AST, PDX-ONP

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 41):
I always thought Horizon flew it themselves. Interesting because I have no idea who else would have flown that if not Horizon or Skywest.

The airline was called Harbor Air. They flew to AST, ONP, and BFI out of PDX.


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