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Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:04 am

According to an article in the latest issue of the German Aviation magazine AERO Air Tahiti Nui will replace their fleet of A343 with A359 starting from 2010.

The contract seems to be signed this summer.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343�s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:11 am

That makes sense from 1 side, but there is no way a firm contract was signed last summer. There aren't 5 UFOs outstanding.

Its possible they agreed to lease from ILFC or ALAFCO (did ALAFCO sign for 350s?).

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
this summer

I think he means this coming summer?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:30 am

Hi,seems to be a translation problem from my side.Sorry for that!!!

In german THIS summer is the summer in this year (2006).The summer in 2005 would be called LAST summer.

They are expecting to sign a contract this coming summer.


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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 3):
In german THIS summer is the summer in this year (2006).The summer in 2005 would be called LAST summer.

That's the same in English...

I will miss the TN 343s when they go as the 343 looks simply glorious in their colours.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
According to an article in the latest issue of the German Aviation magazine AERO Air Tahiti Nui will replace their fleet of A343 with A359 starting from 2010.

Does it mean Air Tahiti Nui intends to survive till 2010? Tale Of 2 Airlines, Air Pacific & Air Tahiti Nui (by Juventus Feb 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:51 am

I think ATN needs to fovcus on making money and filling their flights first!
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 5):
Does it mean Air Tahiti Nui intends to survive till 2010?

Well, considering how badly written and biased the article you quote was written - yes this airline will be in existance long after 2010.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 4):
I will miss the TN 343s when they go as the 343 looks simply glorious in their colours.

I miss the original A342s. Anybody know what airline(s) those went to?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:04 am

That would be good news indeed and very nice to see the A359 in TN colors.

About the article written about both TN and Air Pacific, when I read it I was amazed, but I don't know anything about these two airlines. I thaught they were/are doing fairly well. So my question is: How true is this article? Are these two airlines really in that much danger to the point that they might go bankrupt? It would be a pity to see these nice and colorful liveries disappear....

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 8):
I miss the original A342s. Anybody know what airline(s) those went to?

I belive they went to Air Bourbon. After they went out I havent a clue.
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:13 am

Didnt Air Bourbon have only one A342?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343�s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:29 am

The question WHY TN intends to replace baiscally brand-new aircrafts is far more interesting ... ?
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:59 am

Ia Orana all...

OK this is what one of my relatives who is an ATN chief purser told me. They were told during a training course that Air Tahiti Nui wants to add 2 A350 to its fleet, read ADD, not replace; They want to add these 2 planes and base one in PPT to fly the SYD and AKL runs and one in CDG to fly the CDG-JFK run.
Now I don't know why because the A343 fleet is not even well utilized yet what will they do with 2 spare A343 now... God knows what's going thru the minds of that airline... Mind you they changed CEO 4 times since may 2004 !
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:19 am

This was first talked about last summer though, wasn't it? When they took on another A343? Or am I thinking of a different carrier?

Quoting Johnny (Thread starter):
The contract seems to be signed this summer.

The "this" part is right. It's the other part that got lost in translation.

"Seems to be" is not a future tense, it's a present tense describing an event that is already completed.

You would probably want to say "The contract seems as if it will be signed this summer." Or something better than that. Maybe "The contract will likely be signed this summer."

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:23 pm

@ Ikramerica

Thanks for your help !!!  Smile
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 14):
Mind you they changed CEO 4 times since may 2004

That there says it all! Unless the government can and wants to top this airline up all the time, there is no hope in that kind of environment.

So here is my Suggestion. Let them all be rolled into Air New Zealand and Qantas. For the sake of competition its probably better than NZ took over them all, however their track record isn't exactly great in that department. QF, we all know, is up to the job but i would expect them to slash routes, sell aircraft and raise prices. Obviously the solution is not quite as simple as this, but ALL these pacific islands DO NOT need their own airline.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):
but ALL these pacific islands DO NOT need their own airline.

Says who...you? And what do you base your opinion on?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:29 pm

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 14):
Mind you they changed CEO 4 times since may 2004 !

Heavens... they've had more CEOs than SAA!!!

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 6):
I think ATN needs to fovcus on making money and filling their flights first!

As much as I love flying on A340s, the move from A340s to A350s is a step in precisely that direction: making (more) money... I added the "more" because, as we all know, airlines can make money with A340s as well.

Nonetheless, the lower operating costs will save them money - then again, if they're really planning on adding those planes, instead of replacing A340s with them? What kinds of load increases do they think they'll be getting??

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 6):
I think ATN needs to fovcus on making money and filling their flights first!

Is their loadfactor that bad ??

I had heard NYC had a slow start. What about SYD ?

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:48 pm

They are offering the most insane deals out of SYD to their destinations at the moment. Load factors are poor
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):
So here is my Suggestion. Let them all be rolled into Air New Zealand and Qantas. For the sake of competition its probably better than NZ took over them all, however their track record isn't exactly great in that department. QF, we all know, is up to the job but i would expect them to slash routes, sell aircraft and raise prices. Obviously the solution is not quite as simple as this, but ALL these pacific islands DO NOT need their own airline.

Well considering QF has pulled out of flying to basically every pacific island ..
I would hesitate to say NZ would be the best management for the airline .. An airline like NZ that can pull itself from going under to making 100's of millions of dollars in a short period of time and has a history of serving the Pacific communities would be a better match for TN and Tahiti..
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:48 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 18):
Says who...you? And what do you base your opinion on?

I say this too.

Consider:

Royal Tongan = financial disaster

Air Nauru = didn't they just have their last plane confiscated in Melbourne = financial disaster

Solomon Airlines = only just scraping by, largely thanks to a domestic network that other PI nations don't have

Polynesian = financial blackhole (thought I'd vary it a little) - Pacific Blue had to be brought in to try and make this operation viable.

Air Tahiti Nui = a financial disaster. this one's gonna sink well before the A350 even hits the skies.

Air Pacific is about the only profitable South Pacific Island carrier EVER.

I've always wondered why Air Pacific or Air NZ didn't negotiate a deal with tthe island nations to create a right-sized airline serving all of Polynesia and some of Melanesia with 3 or 4 73G/8-sized aircraft to connect with NZ and Australia (and maybe Hawai'i) along with some 40-70 seat propjets to fly interisland routes (e.g. a Nuku'alofa-Apia-Nadi triangle, plus occassional connections to Rarotonga, Niue, Port Vila and Noumea.

Or maybe they have and it's all just an ego thing on the part of the respective governments. I wouldn't be surprised.

But yeah, ATN is losing WADS of cash and should probably be on death watch.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:14 pm

LOL makes me laugh all you armchair analysts - i actually do the credit ratings for real, (involves research, and facts and everything!) and some of you may be quite surprised at how we rated ATN.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:42 pm

A350-900's? They're better off going with 747-100 "Classics". I'm just kidding - but wouldn't that be a twist?
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:32 pm

Chris, we discussed these airlines only a few weeks ago. ATN are quite a robust airline, and are performing remarkably well considering the fuel prices and their growth rates. They are planning for 2010 onwards, which is an excellent sign.

Oh, and SYD had an 82% load factor in December.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:40 pm

Well, I'm booked to travel JFK-PPT-AKL-PPT-JFK in May in coach and can hardly wait. They're offering an incredible deal of $364 each way (plus tax) for passengers travelling JFK-AKL (stopover in PPT allowed). As long as they stay around long enough for me to try them out I'll be thrilled. I've always wanted to visit NZ and coupled with my love of aviation flying TN was a no brainer.

I have also heard their loads on JFK have been quite poor . . . with many flights going out at about 25-35%. I think launching JFK was a bit ambitious for the carrier but I just don't think they've marketed the flight that well. Over the summer I recall seeing ads on the subways for www.tahitinonstop.com but that's it. Save for the recent campaign for JFK-AKL I can't recall any other fanfare.

From the mileage standpoint I think they've got to partner up with an American carrier. At the moment only AA and NW FFs can redeem miles on TN. Accrual of miles is not allowed. I think if they were to partner with another airline (like Air Pacific) they could definitely attract some more business.

In any event I wish them luck and hope that they'll at least be around for me to try them out. But from what I have read they have budgeted for at least a year's loss on JFK.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:47 pm

Air Tahiti Nui (just like Air Caraïbes, Air Austral or Air Calédonie) has no economical justification and is nothing else but a typical Political Airline.

It was created with the benediction of the French government to "buy" the Social Peace in this far French overseas Territory and to satisfy the megalomania of the local "mafiosi" corrupted Politicians.

ATN will live and survive (with public subsidies) as long as the local power want/need it, and can afford it (Actually the French taxpayers).
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:54 pm

Wrong. This airline might make perfectly sense from an overall economic point of view for the region/island(s). The airline itself might make losses, but the overall economic benefit due to the flown-in tourists (additional hotel stays, spend dollars etc) and the increased tax income due to this increased might justify this venture. It is the makro-economic view, not necessarily the micro-economic view which is taken in some of these ventures...
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:55 pm

Anyone know what ETOPS Airbus is planning for the A359s?

I would think that Air Tahiti would need something in the 207min range.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 29):
Wrong. This airline might make perfectly sense from an overall economic point of view for the region/island(s). The airline itself might make losses, but the overall economic benefit due to the flown-in tourists (additional hotel stays, spend dollars etc) and the increased tax income due to this increased might justify this venture. It is the makro-economic view, not necessarily the micro-economic view which is taken in some of these ventures

Precisely.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:50 am

I unfortunately agree with FlySCC
these airlines are surviving only because French public money is injected in them.

here you have the economic NON-justification to fly to JFK

Quoting Mcmahonsmr (Reply 27):
with many flights going out at about 25-35%

4 CEOs since 2004 is a bad joke too...

but since it gives to some the occasion to fly very exotic to AKL...why not!
I guess the moronic local government in PPT imagined they could transform their island into a mini DXB style hub for the pacific region  Yeah sure

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 23):
Or maybe they have and it's all just an ego thing on the part of the respective governments. I wouldn't be surprised.

You may have hit the nail on the head! Possibly an apocryphal story, but an uncle of mine in the Samoan government tells of how the Tongan crown prince vetoed getting a NG 737 for the airline as per his advisors wishes after an in depth appraisal of need. His reasoning was that Polynesian Airlines flew this plane and he wanted something bigger. We all know what happened to Royal Tongan and the impact of its failure on the economy of the Kingdom because they couldn't fill their plane.

Pacific Islands airlines may not make sense to many, but most of us don't have to live at the mercy of foreign airlines with no vested interest in their respective countries' economies, societies et al. If Samoa did not have Polynesian (now Poly Blue), NZ would lower the frequency, increase the size of craft and increase the airfares to and from the islands to the detriment of Samoa. The same can be extrapolated out for most other Pacific Island nations.

I agree that resources should and do need to be pooled but possibly with a third party too, bringing in capital from outside the immediate region. Virgin Blue's a great third party player for this.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 29):
Wrong. This airline might make perfectly sense from an overall economic point of view for the region/island(s). The airline itself might make losses, but the overall economic benefit due to the flown-in tourists (additional hotel stays, spend dollars etc) and the increased tax income due to this increased might justify this venture. It is the makro-economic view, not necessarily the micro-economic view which is taken in some of these ventures...

Tahiti and PPT are not the Balearic or Canary Islands.
It's Far, very expensive, and attract a "High Class" low flow seasonal tourism (and not a mass tourism) which doesn't justify the existence of a full regular airline like ATN.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:24 pm

From my impression tourist flow into Tahiti starts to become High Class middle-flow business. Besides, these islands are located in the middle of the Ocean, and there is not a heck lot of equipment which is able to fly in.

In addition you have yet to consider the cargo which is flown into this part of the world. Not a big chance to put a couple of pallets into a BBJ... Have heard that some of the major cruise lines are starting to base some of their vessels in the region - now consider what it means to have a 2,000 beds cruise ship turned over every 10/14 days in terms of passengers to be flown in/out.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 19):
Heavens... they've had more CEOs than SAA!!!

Alot of airlines go threw crazy management changes at some point before the right one...

One example is Continental Airlines:

In the early 90's they had all kinds of new CEO's..until they found the right one (Gordon) and now look at the airline..Slamming on all sorts of levels (now with Larry).

Doesnt necessarily mean its a bad thing! (Though it almost always happens because of bad things)
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui To Replace Their A343´s

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 30):
Anyone know what ETOPS Airbus is planning for the A359s?

I would think that Air Tahiti would need something in the 207min range.

207 minutes would be nice, if it's available, but the dogleg to stay within 180 minutes isn't huge.