snnus
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U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:02 pm

There has been a lot of expansion to Europe by US Carriers especially DL, CO, US. CO flies to some smaller airports and now U.S to likes of LIS, MXP,ARN and of course DL is taking a big gamble by adding lots more intl travel.
What Coutries/Airports will be next to see new American carrier service, Maybe Poland is yet untapped?
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:18 pm

It wouldn't suprise me if some day down the line we see a New York area to BSL service. This could potentially be pretty high yield given Novartis and Roche are both beadquartered in the region as well as many other hot shot companies.

that being said... Maybe some more players in Berlin and Helsinki... who knows
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:26 pm

Or another French city?
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:41 pm

We might see some additional flights into airports of "secondary" cities like Nice,Lyon,Venice,Stuttgart or Palermo.
Belgrade could become a potential "target" if JAT does not get planes in due time.
Among "new" airports-so far without any flight to the USA ,I would put Hannover and Nuremberg in Germany( maybe in 2007 ),Basel in Switzerland,
Gothenburg in Sweden,Bucarest in Roumania ,Malaga in Spain and Porto in Portugal.
In North Africa I predict flights from Algeria and Tunis to Canada and /or USA.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:12 am

well, I read that Nice is getting a direct DL flight to ATL for the summer!!!
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:19 am

I could foresee DL adding the following in 2007:

JFK - St. Petersburg
JFK - Warsaw
ATL - Prague
ATL - Vienna

I think all these airports would be the front-runners given that they aren't servied by US carriers at this point.
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 3):
Belgrade could become a potential "target" if JAT does not get planes in due time.

When did JAT do anything in time? There definitely is potential between ORD and JFK to BEG. ORD (catchment area) alone could serve well over 1 million Serbs.

A US carrier would be a welcome sight at BEG as we cannot rely on our pathetic national carrier to serve its citizens.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:36 am

I remember some French company was about to start direct flights from Nantes to U.S. and Canada.
If I am not mistaken the name was "Oceanic Air" ?
Most probably this idea is abandoned now?
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:59 am

UA has already applied for the ORD-VIE route, not sure when this will happen with the emergence from bankruptcy.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:04 am

I am still waiting for the BOS to MAD! There were rumors but it never materialized.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 8):
UA has already applied for the ORD-VIE route, not sure when this will happen with the emergence from bankruptcy

yep, they already requested Slots in VIE for a daily ORD-VIE run. BUT, the´ve got bad Slots in VIE, so it will be the Question if UA will accept them.
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting VORFMD (Reply 10):
yep, they already requested Slots in VIE for a daily ORD-VIE run. BUT, the�ve got bad Slots in VIE, so it will be the Question if UA will accept them.

Why are they bad? time? remote stand?
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting SNNUS (Thread starter):
MXP,ARN

Neither of those is particularly small
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:05 pm

I would be more than happy to see IAD-PMI but I seriously think it will not happen.
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Ordpia (Reply 11):
Why are they bad? time? remote stand?

Time
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:29 pm

EWR-NCL, Continental 757  Wink
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):
EWR-NCL, Continental 757

With a bit of luck. I'm surprised CO haven't announced this route by now. Unless they are waiting a bit nearer to the first flight so people will remember that the route was announced.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 16):
With a bit of luck. I'm surprised CO haven't announced this route by now. Unless they are waiting a bit nearer to the first flight so people will remember that the route was announced.

Could well be announced later this year for a May 2007 start  Wink
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:48 pm

Hmmm?

How about more routes from NW ?

They're the only US carrier who only serve one british airport !..
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 18):
How about more routes from NW ?

They're the only US carrier who only serve one british airport !..

They codeshare out of others on KL metal.

One day they might look at opening up MAN with the 787 as that would be an ideal route starting aircraft for them. MAN-MSP could do well with NW connections.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:26 am

I think CO EWR-ORK could soon be on the cards. After that UA SFO-DUB or IAD-DUB
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:17 pm

Quoting VORFMD (Reply 14):
Time

Thanks,
Is there any particular reason that they can not get a good slot? I would think with Austrian being a *alliance member they would like to have a codeshare to add more capacity, and thus would help with the slotting, but admittedly I don�t know anything about how they are assigned in Austria
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:55 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 19):
MAN-MSP could do well with NW connections.

MAN-DTW would probably be better  Wink
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 20):
I think CO EWR-ORK could soon be on the cards. After that UA SFO-DUB or IAD-DUB

Im not so sure about UA. I think they will enter Ireland but not while the SNN stopover remains. The same goes for CO. It hardly makes much sense doing A EWR-SNN-ORK-EWR run. I think EI might try A ORK-JFK say 2 or 3 per week flight when open skies starts.
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
Im not so sure about UA. I think they will enter Ireland but not while the SNN stopover remains. The same goes for CO. It hardly makes much sense doing A EWR-SNN-ORK-EWR run

Yeah but laster this year CO will start a second daily DUB flight from EWR, one direct and one a triangle route through SNN. Why not in that case have 2 daily DUB direct routes, a SNN-EWR route and a ORK-SNN-EWR flight
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
I think EI might try A ORK-JFK say 2 or 3 per week

With A33X's?!? lol Isnt that kinda too much for the market? Can a A32X make that?

My guesses

NW DTW-MAN
CO EWR-PRG
EWR-NCL
EWR-BFS
DL JFK-LED
JFK-WAW
JFK-BEG
ATL-VIE/PRG
US PIT-FRA/LGW and maybe CDG
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:27 am

Don't know if it's been discussed already but CO is starting EWR-BCN on 17may.
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 21):
Thanks,
Is there any particular reason that they can not get a good slot? I would think with Austrian being a *alliance member they would like to have a codeshare to add more capacity, and thus would help with the slotting, but admittedly I don�t know anything about how they are assigned in Austria

yes but OS does not have any influence on Slots in VIE for other Carriers. However, VIE Airport is very interested in new US links, so maybe they will free the wished slots for UA. What i´ve heard is that it isn´t the arrival Time but departure Time out of VIE that makes Problems ( around 10.30 am )
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 15):

CO will see the provisonal AA loads and ,like AA think twice.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 25):
EWR-BFS

CO already fly this route
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:52 am

I think future growth markets for US - Europe connections will be more on the european side as there are so many airport's in the US with direct connections to Europe.

In europe, I think St. Petersburg (LED) will be the next market as it is a city of 5million+ without direct service to the North American continent. Although the airport there is old, there are a lot of travelers who go to St. Petersburg and I know connecting onto flights going to the US from St. Petersburg is difficult if you do not want to spend the night in europe. I think only through Paris and Frankfurt.

I also think VIE has room for growth.

NW is an interesting question as they are a pretty big airline, but they serve cities that don't really push a lot international travel, so opening a new international market is risky for them. I really wish we had more connections in europe as I am a native detroiter, but at least I have some. If NW adds a city, it think it will FCO or MXP, especially if they get code-share agreements with Skyteam airliners.

I don't think NW will add MAN to it's list of cities served. I think KLM or NW could start service to AMS from PHL though. I think that this might help out, as US in Star isn't very convenient and KLM/NW might be better in terms of connections and ease.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:17 am

I would love to see BEG aswell.
If and i only say IF, Jat Airwyas would join Skyteam,then maybe we could see CO out of EWR or DL from JFK.Jat could make a nice hub out of BEG and have more flights to the middle east, or Africa.I think BEG has perfect location for that.
I think service from NYC area and ORD would do pretty good.But not untill BEG gets a total facelift ,not to mention Jat. Oh well enough dreaming.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:45 am

Talking about MUC, I think in the not too distant future we´ll see a nonstop MUC-DEN flight by either UA or LH.

Dl could also put larger aircraft on ATL-MUC, namely the 764.

I still miss flights from MUC to DTW, MIA and maybe DFW/IAH.
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 30):
I don't think NW will add MAN to it's list of cities served. I think KLM or NW could start service to AMS from PHL though. I think that this might help out, as US in Star isn't very convenient and KLM/NW might be better in terms of connections and ease.

I've also heard this was being considered.

The problem at PHL with KLM/NW is that assuming the AMS flight departs/arrives (a given) from the International Terminal (A-West), a connection to a domestic NW flight would be fairly inconvenient since NW is currently in Terminal E, very unlike the situation at DTW or MSP. I was wondering, do the Dutch have a psychological allegiance to KLM over another airline, such that they would accept some inconvenience and maybe a little higher fare to use their flag carrier?
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:54 am

Newcastle WILL get a NY service for Summer 2007, I would bet a lot of money on it!

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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 20):
After that UA SFO-DUB or IAD-DUB

maybe IAD-DUB but no chance for SFO-DUB, for me the next europe route from SFO operated by UA will be MUC.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 25):
US PIT-FRA/LGW and maybe CDG

no way, not to long ago they axed the route's.

Quoting A342 (Reply 32):
Talking about MUC, I think in the not too distant future we´ll see a nonstop MUC-DEN flight by either UA or LH.

Dl could also put larger aircraft on ATL-MUC, namely the 764.

I still miss flights from MUC to DTW, MIA and maybe DFW/IAH.

well I see it different, we could see 2007 MUC-DEN by LH

agree with DL.

MUC to DTW very good possible for 2007 either by LH or NW (that route is rumored since years)

MIA what a shame what was done the last years with the MUC-MIA routes it is time to get a permanent conection, and I see for 2007 DFW-MUC operated by AA 763.

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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 35):
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 25):
US PIT-FRA/LGW and maybe CDG

no way, not to long ago they axed the route's.

I wouldn't say no way. I don't think it is in the near future but I think it will return. Probably FRA or LGW rather than CDG.  Smile
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:37 am

I wouldn't mind seeing PHL-ZRH on US. I suppose it won't be happening in the near future, but my fingers are crossed for when their A350s are delivered.

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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:42 am

I am sure that sometime in the near future, a discount airline with start flights to STN. With all of the cheap connecting flights, I am sure that many vacationers want to fly into STN versus LHR or LGW. I don't think that the current flights on MaxJet and Eos will last long term, because they are discounted business class. Most business travellers want to fly into LHR or connect to another business class flight. I expect to see all Y seats on this route soon.
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:05 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
A EWR-SNN-ORK-EWR run. I think EI might try A ORK-JFK say 2 or 3 per week flight when open skies starts.

How will they be able to operate out of ORK? The main runway is just barely under 7,000 feet long, so it would either be EWR-ORK-SNN-EWR with a 757 or connect with EI at either SNN or DUB to go to ORK. I personally don't see nonstop flights out of ORK happen unless the runway gets a major extension or a different triangular route is used.

I personally would like to see more service to the US out of HAM. Flights by AA or LT on a MIA-HAM routing would be one of the options that could cater to those who want an alternative to FRA, MUC and DUS, though it would be great if UA or AA would start service to HAM out of ORD. If HAM has the potential for such flights, then this potential should be used to the fullest. Those flights could be served with A330s (LT) and 767s (UA and AA).

Slightly OT, how is CO doing with their EWR-HAM flight?
 
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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 37):
I wouldn't mind seeing PHL-ZRH on US. I suppose it won't be happening in the near future, but my fingers are crossed for when their A350s are delivered.

very good possible due Swiss Star Membership.

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RE: U.S To Europe, What Airport's Next

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 3):
Gothenburg in Sweden

Yea, I have been waiting for this one a long long time. With ARN having nonstops to...

EWR: SK A333 7/week, CO 752 7/week, MH 772 3/week (coming from KUL)
ORD: SK A333 7/week
BOS: AY 752 2/week (coming from HEL)
PHL: US 762 7/week (from this summer)

...then GOT would be ok with a 752 a couple of times a week.
Stockholm has 1.6 million people, but with cities within 2 hours driving away there's about 3 million people, and all the connecting pax are helping out to.

GOT doesn't handle alot of connecting pax, but Gothenburg has 0.5 million people, but in the whole western Sweden there's about 2 million, so there should be a nonstop...

(in the past there was ARN-GOT-JFK with SK 742, but that was before my time)  Smile
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