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100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:47 pm

Does anyone know the top 100 city-pair markets in the USA in terms of passengers flown and the number of flights? A number of those routes became high-density ones because of Southwest's low prices and high frequencies, like its Oakland-Burbank route, which jumped from the 179th position to the 25th in less than one year. Remarkable.
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Oakland-Burbank route, which jumped from the 179th position to the 25th in less than one year. Remarkable.

Just to clarify a little - that should really be considered an airport-pair market rather than a city pair market.

Although you could argue that Oakland could be considered seperate to San Francisco as a market, Burbank is most definitely part of Los Angeles in reality.
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:53 pm

http://transtats.bts.gov/

There's the top 10 or so on the bottom... I'm sure more can be found on the site somewhere but I couldn't locate it...
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:53 pm

I would imagine the following are contenders in no particular order:
LGA-DCA
LGA-BOS
LGA-ATL
LGA-MIA
LGA-ORD
LAX-JFK

I know Southern Calif to/from Northern Calif. probably has the most flights, but am unsure if it's the most passengers.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
Just to clarify a little - that should really be considered an airport-pair market rather than a city pair market.

Well, tell the professor and aviation expert who wrote the book I'm reading.  Silly

Airport-pair, city-pair, whatever. You know what I mean.
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Well, tell the professor and aviation expert who wrote the book I'm reading.

Airport-pair, city-pair, whatever. You know what I mean.

Well i'm happy to tell them that ! I've had to set professors and aviation experts straight before  Smile

Although Oakland-Burbank saw remarkable growth and was a great achievement by Southwest, it would not be sitting anywhere near as high as No.25 if it wasn't a San Francisco area-Los Angeles route/market.

But if they have a mixture of airport-pair and city-pair routes mixed up then their tables are flawed - sorry  Smile
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:59 pm

origin destination distance passengers fare carrier_lg large_ms
Ft. Lauderdale, FL New York, NY 1076 12034 $126.20 B6 39.1
New York, NY Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 950 8905 $124.97 DL 33.8
Chicago, IL New York, NY 740 6235 $170.71 AA 35.7
New York, NY West Palm Beach, FL 1035 6166 $140.15 B6 36.5
Los Angeles, CA New York, NY 2475 6036 $286.15 AA 41.2
Atlanta, GA New York, NY 761 5845 $145.10 DL 62.3
New York, NY Tampa/St. Petersburg/Lakeland, FL 1019 4476 $126.42 B6 30.9
New York, NY Washington, DC 229 4450 $128.72 DL 32.9
Las Vegas, NV New York, NY 2248 4351 $186.73 CO 28.7
Miami, FL New York, NY 1097 4257 $161.17 AA 74.4
Chicago, IL Las Vegas, NV 1521 4234 $137.37 WN 29.5
Boston, MA New York, NY 200 4000 $147.67 DL 40.5
Chicago, IL Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 1005 3849 $123.39 UA 28.2
Chicago, IL Phoenix, AZ 1444 3847 $140.52 AA 23.6
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX Houston, TX 247 3829 $87.39 WN 68.1
New York, NY San Francisco, CA 2586 3661 $301.85 UA 27.9
Chicago, IL Los Angeles, CA 1750 3612 $168.82 UA 33.7
Las Vegas, NV Los Angeles, CA 236 3479 $81.07 WN 48.9
Atlanta, GA Washington, DC 547 3370 $126.14 DL 61.9
Boston, MA Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 1121 3322 $116.38 DL 41.8
Orlando/Kissimmee, FL Philadelphia, PA 861 3310 $118.97 US 41.0
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX New York, NY 1391 3040 $242.97 AA 64.3
Chicago, IL Ft. Lauderdale, FL 1182 2992 $124.98 AA 25.7
Los Angeles, CA Oakland/Berkeley, CA 337 2960 $81.82 WN 90.5
Chicago, IL Washington, DC 612 2899 $138.65 UA 51.6
Boston, MA Ft. Lauderdale, FL 1237 2886 $124.77 DL 43.9
Ft. Myers, FL New York, NY 1080 2775 $140.68 B6 51.6
Chicago, IL Tampa/St. Petersburg/Lakeland, FL 1014 2765 $114.35 UA 29.6
Las Vegas, NV Phoenix, AZ 256 2677 $79.64 WN 76.1
Denver, CO New York, NY 1626 2605 $195.70 UA 31.2
Atlanta, GA Chicago, IL 606 2556 $141.58 DL 40.6
Boston, MA Washington, DC 413 2540 $141.49 US 41.5
Detroit, MI New York, NY 508 2425 $144.40 NW 61.9
Chicago, IL Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX 802 2408 $188.06 AA 59.1
New York, NY Phoenix, AZ 2153 2399 $208.61 HP 41.1
Oakland/Berkeley, CA San Diego, CA 446 2395 $89.66 WN 98.3
Orlando/Kissimmee, FL Washington, DC 759 2383 $132.96 UA 36.5
Chicago, IL Minneapolis/St.Paul, MN 349 2377 $142.05 NW 52.2
Atlanta, GA Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX 732 2351 $156.87 DL 48.1
Minneapolis/St.Paul, MN Phoenix, AZ 1276 2304 $155.69 NW 51.8
Detroit, MI Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 957 2268 $143.57 NW 51.3
Minneapolis/St.Paul, MN Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 1310 2266 $152.30 NW 47.8
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Washington, DC 901 2247 $119.32 B6 26.8
Houston, TX New York, NY 1428 2200 $253.79 CO 72.0
Chicago, IL Detroit, MI 235 2188 $93.22 NW 47.8
Las Vegas, NV Oakland/Berkeley, CA 407 2167 $102.30 WN 79.5
Baltimore, MD Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 787 2154 $116.75 WN 55.4
Las Vegas, NV Seattle, WA 866 2113 $117.96 AS 58.9
Glendale/Burbank, CA Oakland/Berkeley, CA 325 2107 $89.81 WN 99.7
Los Angeles, CA Washington, DC 2311 2090 $247.74 UA 49.1
Boston, MA Ft. Myers, FL 1249 2071 $135.41 DL 51.9
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX Las Vegas, NV 1067 2070 $137.49 AA 53.0
Los Angeles, CA Phoenix, AZ 370 2065 $80.32 WN 67.0
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Philadelphia, PA 992 2064 $121.99 US 44.4
Chicago, IL Philadelphia, PA 678 2053 $116.88 UA 35.3
Chicago, IL Denver, CO 895 2051 $172.19 UA 37.3
Chicago, IL Ft. Myers, FL 1120 2039 $133.15 TZ 33.1
Phoenix, AZ Seattle, WA 1107 2030 $136.76 AS 47.1
Las Vegas, NV Minneapolis/St.Paul, MN 1300 2010 $144.17 NW 45.6
Boston, MA Tampa/St. Petersburg/Lakeland, FL 1193 1971 $114.65 DL 48.7
Las Vegas, NV San Diego, CA 258 1964 $83.03 WN 77.9
Denver, CO Phoenix, AZ 602 1951 $157.62 F9 33.9
Sacramento, CA San Diego, CA 480 1921 $84.36 WN 97.0
Los Angeles, CA Seattle, WA 954 1915 $146.25 AS 54.9
Chicago, IL San Francisco, CA 1854 1879 $208.05 UA 50.1
Long Beach, CA New York, NY 2465 1843 $154.67 B6 97.4
New Orleans, LA New York, NY 1183 1843 $152.89 B6 26.6
Denver, CO Las Vegas, NV 629 1839 $134.58 F9 36.2
Atlanta, GA Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 403 1838 $157.24 DL 69.1
Detroit, MI Las Vegas, NV 1750 1830 $154.74 NW 51.1
San Diego, CA San Jose/Palo Alto, CA 417 1829 $92.74 WN 75.9
Oakland/Berkeley, CA Santa Ana, CA 371 1823 $93.61 WN 64.5
New York, NY San Diego, CA 2446 1798 $208.99 CO 27.5
Glendale/Burbank, CA Las Vegas, NV 223 1785 $81.76 WN 92.1
Atlanta, GA Philadelphia, PA 665 1784 $144.60 DL 63.7
Philadelphia, PA Tampa/St. Petersburg/Lakeland, FL 920 1784 $116.48 US 49.0
Phoenix, AZ San Diego, CA 304 1773 $78.73 WN 73.3
Atlanta, GA Los Angeles, CA 1946 1749 $195.36 DL 69.7
Denver, CO Los Angeles, CA 862 1712 $187.50 UA 45.0
Hartford, CT/Springfield, MA Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 1050 1704 $121.78 DL 53.4
Chicago, IL Houston, TX 945 1704 $161.04 CO 33.4
Los Angeles, CA San Francisco, CA 337 1700 $145.58 UA 64.1
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX Los Angeles, CA 1246 1695 $164.82 AA 62.2
Houston, TX New Orleans, LA 305 1670 $104.12 WN 60.7
Denver, CO Washington, DC 1476 1646 $223.27 UA 45.2
Atlanta, GA Las Vegas, NV 1747 1639 $168.00 DL 70.6
Phoenix, AZ Santa Ana, CA 338 1634 $86.87 HP 52.0
Los Angeles, CA Philadelphia, PA 2401 1628 $165.31 US 42.7
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX San Antonio, TX 248 1624 $86.65 WN 74.4
Chicago, IL St. Louis, MO 258 1621 $89.64 AA 43.5
Los Angeles, CA San Jose/Palo Alto, CA 308 1620 $85.99 WN 82.8
Buffalo, NY New York, NY 301 1613 $88.33 B6 64.1
Ontario, CA Sacramento, CA 389 1613 $83.35 WN 98.7
Minneapolis/St.Paul, MN New York, NY 1028 1605 $251.59 NW 62.7
Oakland/Berkeley, CA Ontario, CA 361 1604 $83.50 WN 99.0
Las Vegas, NV San Jose/Palo Alto, CA 386 1598 $100.07 WN 65.0
Chicago, IL Cleveland, OH 316 1587 $90.32 WN 34.8
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX Orlando/Kissimmee, FL 984 1585 $159.95 AA 67.5
Boston, MA Chicago, IL 867 1576 $170.60 UA 40.1
San Jose/Palo Alto, CA Santa Ana, CA 342 1574 $93.74 WN 54.5
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 5):
But if they have a mixture of airport-pair and city-pair routes mixed up then their tables are flawed - sorry

No. It was my mistake. Sorry. I read a quote from Kelleher who used OAK-BUR as an example of the growth. The author of the book was talking about "US city-pair markets" but didn't mention OAK-BUR herself. So, I apologise for the confusion. There was no table.

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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:04 am

Thanks, KWI. When are those figures for?
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
No. It was my mistake. Sorry. I read a quote from Kelleher who used OAK-BUR as an example of the growth. The author of the book was talking about "US city-pair markets" but didn't mention OAK-BUR herself. So, I apologise for the confusion. There was no table.

Actually in the figures shown above, Oakland-Burbank is a city-pair market. so you're not wrong really.

But I'd still maintain that some of those figures are fairly meaningless-any proper airline analyst would look at it as part of an overall Los angeles - San francisco area market. Just as in reality Newark should always be counted as part of NYC figures for real analysis, even if it is technically another city.....
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):

I know Southern Calif to/from Northern Calif. probably has the most flights, but am unsure if it's the most passengers.

The average size of aircraft on the QLA-QSF corridor is actually larger than on the East Coast shuttles, particularly when you factor in all the RJs that AA and DL use at BOS.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
No. It was my mistake. Sorry. I read a quote from Kelleher who used OAK-BUR as an example of the growth. The author of the book was talking about "US city-pair markets" but didn't mention OAK-BUR herself. So, I apologise for the confusion. There was no table.

Well, there is a huge difference. While WN provided a very viable alternative with OAK-BUR (OAK is actually slightly closer and until recently was much better connected to Downtown SF than SFO) as well as LAX-OAK, SNA-OAK, ONT-OAK, and BUR/LAX/SNA/ONT-SJC, not to mention all the flights to Sacramento, they really do serve the same markets that SFO serves.
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
But I'd still maintain that some of those figures are fairly meaningless-any proper airline analyst would look at it as part of an overall Los angeles - San francisco area market. Just as in reality Newark should always be counted as part of NYC figures for real analysis, even if it is technically another city.....

As I said, she did not mention it. It was from a quote. I'll copy the entire quote. From Kelleher:

"When the Transportation Department issues a report discussing Southwest's dominance in the top 100 U.S. markets, most people conclude that we only go into markets that are very dense. What people don't realize is that Southwest Airlines made those markets dense with low fares and high-frequency servuce; they weren't that way when we went into them... After we established our Oakland-Burbank route, it soared to the 25th largest passenger market from the 179th in less than a year."

So, hopefully that's the end of the confusion.
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:20 am

Since you did mention also number of flights, and airport-pairs, for info the most flights are:

HNL-OGG
SAN-LAX
HNL-LIH
LAS-LAX
PDX-SEA
LGA-BOS
DCA-LGA
PHX-LAS
PHX-LAX

You might want to search the archives, since this topic is a regular!

..and yes, city-city busiest is LA-SF

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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
I know Southern Calif to/from Northern Calif. probably has the most flights, but am unsure if it's the most passengers

During most of the year, SF-LA does, outside of certain winter months where NYC-Miami tops it.
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:05 am

I would imagine Northeast-Florida routes would be up there. There seems to be an abundance of flights between BOS/PVD/BDL/ALB/JFK/LGA-MIA/FLL/PBI/TPA/MCO
Also PDX-SEA seems to be a popular one as well
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 14):
There seems to be an abundance of flights between BOS/PVD/BDL/ALB/JFK/LGA-MIA/FLL/PBI/TPA/MCO

In terms of number of flights, there are perhaps 20 flights/day between those airports you mention - the West Coast ones have around double that.

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 14):
Also PDX-SEA seems to be a popular one as well

Yep, that was in my list.


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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:30 am

PDX-SEA only has 410 psgrs per day (local traffic between the two cities).

That ranks it as the 540th largest domestic market.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 15):
Quoting Petmbro (Reply 14):There seems to be an abundance of flights between BOS/PVD/BDL/ALB/JFK/LGA-MIA/FLL/PBI/TPA/MCO
In terms of number of flights, there are perhaps 20 flights/day between those airports you mention - the West Coast ones have around double that.

Are you kidding me? There are, at certain times of the year, 14 daily flights JFK-FLL on B6 alone. Look again, chief.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 16):
PDX-SEA only has 410 psgrs per day (local traffic between the two cities).

That ranks it as the 540th largest domestic market.

Yeah and I believe a large chunk of that are on little Q-400s, which while nice birds (and right-sized) you need 2 of those to match one WN 737, US A319, etc.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:12 am

Those lists never include Hawai'i routes for some reason which is a shame because AQ and HA alone offer over 4,000 seats a day, each way between HNL & OGG.

HNL-LAX/SFO would also be busy with all the majors plus HA running multiple daily widebodies.

I guess the point is that this list is not quite complete because it lacks data from the 50th State.

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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 5):
But if they have a mixture of airport-pair and city-pair routes mixed up then their tables are flawed

Which for some reason DOT likes to do, as in the list in Reply 6.

And remember those figures are O&D passengers, not total-- right?
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 16):
PDX-SEA only has 410 psgrs per day (local traffic between the two cities).

That ranks it as the 540th largest domestic market.

If you don't hit rush hour in both metro areas, you can drive it almost as quickly as your door-to-door time by flying QX. Not to mention the Amtrak Cascades service which is faster than driving(!) and frequently on sale for $19.95 each way...

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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:39 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
If you don't hit rush hour in both metro areas, you can drive it almost as quickly as your door-to-door time by flying QX.



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
Time to spare? Go by air

You better put on your flamesuit for that... I've gotten ripped apart for saying that about PIT-PHL. At least SEA/PDX aren't known for ATC Delays as bad as PHL.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:41 am

If you look at city pairs and include airports in the metro areas, then New York-Chicago has to be up there. Between ORD and MDW in Chicago and LGA, JFK, and EWR in New York, that is a lot of flights and seats.

Depending on whether you want to include HPN, SWF, and ISP, the numbers get even bigger.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:45 am

PDX-SEA only has 410 psgrs per day (local traffic between the two cities).

That ranks it as the 540th largest domestic market.


That's because AS/QX charge horrific fares for PDX-SEA, especially as compared to Amtrak Cascades service... Most folks just drive.

The flights are (obviously) to feed the AS hub, but I've always wondered about the wisdom of their approach of half-hourly departures. I don't think I've ever had a PDX-SEA QX flight with more than 10 or so people onboard.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 24):
The flights are (obviously) to feed the AS hub, but I've always wondered about the wisdom of their approach of half-hourly departures. I don't think I've ever had a PDX-SEA QX flight with more than 10 or so people onboard.

I've been on several that were overbooked and wanted volunteers.

Given that QX goes through the trouble of setting up special perks for this route (e.g. fast lane through security, etc.) I would assume that it must be pretty profitable based on business pax.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 17):
Are you kidding me? There are, at certain times of the year, 14 daily flights JFK-FLL on B6 alone. Look again, chief.

Chief here!

Yes, I was talking about individual airport to airport, as all my other posts were ...Sure, JFK - FLL has 14 B6, and about 7 Delta .. that's it = 21.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 15):
the West Coast ones have around double that.

NYC - MIA area is no doubt #2 in terms of metro area numbers.

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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
During most of the year, SF-LA does, outside of certain winter months where NYC-Miami tops it.

Don't you mean NYC-FLL and not MIA.



Looking at BOS-NYC, if you took all the people who either take a bus, take the train and drive themselves and put them all on a plane, I'd be willing to bet the numbers would be well over 9,000 a day.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:48 am

If you factored in a weighting for distance (humor me) who would win?

Sounds like NYC-MIA hands down. Or would maybe NYC-LA due to the 2.5x distance?

(so this would be the stat: Which two US city-pairs have the most people in the air between at any given time?)
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting B752OS (Reply 27):
Don't you mean NYC-FLL and not MIA.

Well since I mentioned metro areas, I assume FLL would be part of MIA metro.


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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 29):
Well since I mentioned metro areas, I assume FLL would be part of MIA metro.

Well I was talking about single airports, which FLL sees more flights than does MIA.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting B752OS (Reply 30):
Well I was talking about single airports, which FLL sees more flights than does MIA.

OK, but then it wouldn't be NYC to FLL since NYC covers 3 airports at least.

FLL barely sees more flights from NYC than MIA - now it's about 60% FLL, 40% MIA, but I imagine after Easter MIA has more.

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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 31):
OK, but then it wouldn't be NYC to FLL since NYC covers 3 airports at least.

FLL barely sees more flights from NYC than MIA - now it's about 60% FLL, 40% MIA, but I imagine after Easter MIA has more.

If you assumption is right, then that must mean that a large amount of pax are using MIA for connections, which already occurs as it is now. If you combine the airlines, DL, B6, AA and CO for EWR/LGA/JFK-FLL, your looking at 37 daily flights, give or take one or two. EWR/LGA/JFK-MIA on DL, AA and CO, your looking at 21 daily flights. If there is a supposed swing, I don't see why there would be, then there would have to be huge increases in the MIA flights. As it is now, MIA-NYC has a much smaller O&D base than does FLL-NYC.
 
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting B752OS (Reply 32):
If there is a supposed swing, I don't see why there would be, then there would have to be huge increases in the MIA flights

...or a seasonal decrease in the FLL flights!

Since the MIA flights are less O&D, they are more level throughout the year. FLL has many more winter flights.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 32):
As it is now, MIA-NYC has a much smaller O&D base than does FLL-NYC.

I was always talking number of flights, not O&D numbers, but you are right.


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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 26):

Yes, I was talking about individual airport to airport, as all my other posts were ...Sure, JFK - FLL has 14 B6, and about 7 Delta .. that's it = 21.

I wasn't talking about one city to another alone. For example take flights from JFK to ALL of Florida. In the NYC market alone that 21 is to only FLL. When you add MIA, PBI, TPA, JAX, etc. then you'll see there are many, many flights.
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RE: 100 Top City-pair Markets In The USA

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting B752OS (Reply 32):
DL, B6, AA and CO for EWR/LGA/JFK-FLL, your looking at 37 daily flights, give or take one or two. EWR/LGA/JFK-MIA on DL, AA and CO, your looking at 21 daily flights. If there is a supposed swing, I don't see why there would be, then there would have to be huge increases in the MIA flights. As it is now, MIA-NYC has a much smaller O&D base than does FLL-NYC.

MIA-NYC has 21x AA, 3x DL, 6x CO, so 30 daily flights. AA's MIA-NYC flights carry roughly half-O&D, with JFK having a higher proportion of connecting traffic than EWR/LGA. Delta's MIA-JFK flight is mainly connecting to Europe, Delta's MIA-LGA flights, which launched yesterday, are majority O&D.

FLL-NYC has 5x NK, ~24x B6, ~10x DL, 3x AA, 2x US, 3x WN, 8x CO, 1x U5, so roughly 56 daily flights.

It does level off a lot during the summer, when MIA still sees ~30 daily NYC flights, while FLL sees about ~40.

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