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Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:07 am

Following my first topic on this subject last December, here are some more News concerning AF operations and fleet for the next summer season 2006 starting end of March.

Europe & North Africa

New destinations :

EREVAN (EVN - Armenia) - 3 x Weekly A320.
LEIPZIG (LEJ - Germany) - 2 x Daily (ERJ145 Regional Airlines)
KATOWICE (KTW - Poland) - 3 x Daily weekdays (1 x Daily on Sat, 2 x Daily on Sun.) CRJ Brit'Air

New frequencies :

TLV : 2 x DAILY A320 (with a night stop and an early departure from TLV)
KBP : 2 x DAILY (3 x DAILY if you include the codeshare with Air Ukraine)
ATH : 5 x DAILY
OPO : 4 x DAILY - All flights operated by AF's partner Porugalia in codeshare
ZAG : 2 x DAILY operated by Regional (with a night stop)
VLC : 2 x DAILY & AGP 3 x DAILY, all flights are now operated by AF's partner Air Europa in codeshare.
EIN : 3 x DAILY
ALG : 3rd DAILY flight from/to CDG (the 2 other DAILY flights remain from/to ORY)

GVA : The 11th DAILY frequency introduced this winter will continue during the summer.
RAK : 2 x DAILY from ORY
ORY -> LCY : a 7th DAILY frequency is added.

Additional frequencies will be provided to TUN, CMN, RBA, IST, LIS, & NAP from mid-july to the end of August.

Long Haul

The second DAILY flight to MEX (A343) and IAH (A332) are confirmed.
The second frequency should continue during the next winter program (5 x Weekly).

SSG : + 2 Weekly flights = 4 x Weekly A319ER Dedicate
NKC : + 1 Weekly = 6 x Weekly A319ER Dedicate
CKY : 4 x Weekly A332 nonstop both ways
BGF : The weekly flight becomes nonstop both ways
NDJ : 5 x Weekly (4 x A319ER Dedicate + 1 x A332)
DXB : + 1 x Weekly = 13 x Weekly (B772ER + A332)
THR : + 2 x Weekly = 1 x DAILY (A332)
BEY : B773ER Daily
LAX : 17 x Weekly (DAILY B773ER + DAILY B772ER + 3 x Weekly B744)

SEL : B773ER Daily
PVG : 10 x Weekly (B772ER)

For the low summer season, SCL will be served via EZE (DAILY) but the very successful nonstop CDG-SCL relaunched this winter will be resumed next winter 2006/2007.

The B773ER will be largely deployed in Asia, serving NRT, KIX, SIN, SEL, HKG & PEK.

All the A343 fleet is now reconfigured with the new seats in two different versions :

12 a/c = 36J/236Y
8 a/c = 30J/261Y

10 A332 (out of a total of 16) are reconfigured 40J/179Y
14 B744 (out of a total of 16) are reconfigured ( 5 a/c = 17J/457Y, 9 a/c = 40J/393Y). The two last a/c (ex-Combi) will not be reconfigured with the new seats as they are due to be converted into all Freighters next year.

The first B772ER (out of 25) has been reconfigured 4P/49J/211Y with a second generation of the new Business & First class seat.

The 4 B743 based at ORY should all be retired next summer.
The first B773ER in a two Class high density config., to be used on the Caribbean/Indian Ocean network will join the fleet next june.
It will start to operate ORY-PTP on june 12th (one of the two DAILY flights) and ORY-FDF on June 19th. Those two destinations will be completely served by the B773ER starting August 2006 (2 x Daily to both PTP & FDF)

A total of 7 B773ER (Config : 14J/36S/422M) will be used on this network to replace the 4 B743 and 2 B744.

5 additional B773ER will be delivered from May 2007.

AF will then operate 24 B773ER + 25 B772ER.


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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:15 am

Thanks a lot for the great information, really interesting!

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:37 am

Great info, many thanks!

There have been rumors here that BEG will either receive additional 3-4 weekly frequencies or that a larger aircraft will be deployed due to better than expected performance on the route.

Also, a daily LYN rotation using an ERJ was mentioned as a distant possibility.

Do you have any info on that?
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:52 am

Hi!
Many thanks for the update. especially about the 777s.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The first B772ER (out of 25) has been reconfigured 4P/49J/211Y with a second generation of the new Business & First class seat.

But are you sure that AF is equipping the 772ER with only 4 First Class seats (2 rows of 1-"a lot of space"-1)?
Wasn't the new seat layout supposed to be 8P/49J/197Y ?
Or did they change their mind into a newer one?

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:55 am

¿¿¿¿¿ 24 B777-300ER ?????.....only have 16 in order.....

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:20 am

Tks for the update.

Will GRU continue to receive the extra 3 weekly A330 in addition to the daily B772?

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The second DAILY flight to MEX (A343)

Excellent news for MEX, which now gest 3 daily AF/KL flights!

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:05 am

interesting FlySCC
I was told by an AF crew that the hi-density 773 for the west indies will be configured 3-4-3 in eco instead of 3-3-3 in a normal 773: do you know if it's true?
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 4):
¿¿¿¿¿ 24 B777-300ER ?????.....only have 16 in order.....

I´m quite sure they also lease some from ILFC.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 4):
????? 24 B777-300ER ?????.....only have 16 in order.....

12 B773ER are already in service.
7 are due to be delivered between May 2006 and May 2007
5 more will be delivered delivered between June and Nov 2007.

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 6):
I was told by an AF crew that the hi-density 773 for the west indies will be configured 3-4-3 in eco instead of 3-3-3 in a normal 773: do you know if it's true?

Yes. As I mentioned above the configuration will be :

14 J (2 rows of 2 x 3 x 2)
36 S ("Alizée Class", a Premium economy available only on the Caribbean/Indian Ocean network with 3 x 3 x 3 )
422 M (Tempo Vacances/discount Economy - 3 x 4 x 3 )
PTV in all classes including M

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
Will GRU continue to receive the extra 3 weekly A330 in addition to the daily B772?

Yes. a minimum of 3 weekly flights will continue next summer in addition to the Daily B772ER, with a possible upgrade to 5 x Weekly if AF can have the traffic rights.

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 3):
Wasn't the new seat layout supposed to be 8P/49J/197Y ?

That was the initial plan.
It is now 4P (1 x 2 x 1 ) / 49J / 211Y.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
There have been rumors here that BEG will either receive additional 3-4 weekly frequencies or that a larger aircraft will be deployed due to better than expected performance on the route.

The Daily flight CDG-BEG is regularly operated by an A319 or A320 instead of the scheduled B735 to face the demand.
But AF is now codesharing with JAT on the line, offering 17 x Weekly flights ( 1 x Daily AF, 1 x Daily JAT, 3 x Weekly JAT Fri,Sat,Sun).

No direct flight from LYS for the moment ... but it is rumored, due to the important Serbian community in Lyon area.
I heard of a possible 2 x Weekly flights on week ends with A319, but nothing official.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
Yes. a minimum of 3 weekly flights will continue next summer in addition to the Daily B772ER, with a possible upgrade to 5 x Weekly if AF can have the traffic rights.

Hi FlySSC, AF has the rights for more 4 weekly flights (up to 21 weekly for AF, 14+7 JJ+RG), but loads on daily light seems not so good as 0454/0442 GRU/GIG flights. Rumors on Infraero that AF will ask for more frequencies to Rio starting on november, but nothing confirmed yet and i appreciate if you can verify/confirm/comment this.

If AF is looking for 3 more frequencies to GIG , so your info is perfect, there are no free frequencies to Brazil (only 1).

Some inside numbers from some CDG flights to Brazil on the last 7 days (source: a qualified Infraero staff member) :

Feb, 15 (arrivals)
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPQ PAXS: 232
TAM8097 GRU 0550 PT-MVH PAXS: 164
TAM8099 GRU 0620 PT-MVC PAXS: 166
VRG8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTH PAXS: 208
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GITE PAXS: 358

Feb, 14 (arrivals)
AFR0456 GRU 1930 F-GZCJ PAXS: 132
VRG8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTK PAXS: 173
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GITH PAXS: 382

Feb, 10 (arrivals)
AFR0456 GRU 1930 F-GZCN PAXS: 143
VRG8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTK PAXS: 233
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPL PAXS: 235
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GISC PAXS: 435

Feb, 09 (arrivals)
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPI PAXS: 231
AFR0442 GIG 0740 F-GITE PAXS: 404

Feb, 08 (arrivals)
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPJ PAXS: 225
RG 8721 GRU-GIG 0640 PP-VTH PAXS: 206
(GIG not informed)

Feb, 07 (arrivals)
AFR0456 GRU 1930 F-GZCI PAXS: 064
AFR0454 GRU 0755 F-GSPQ PAXS: 203
(GIG not informed)

Loads on the daily light CDG-GRU are not so good. Increase the number of frequencies seems will be not helpful.

Remember that feb is still high-season (not so good as january) in Brazil.

*Edit - Flight CDG-GIG Feb 16 / Arriving GIG @ 0740 Feb17 (this friday) 422 pax - F-GISD


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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:16 am

Hello,

Speaking of summer schedule, does anyone know why AF is droping their first daily flight into ATL this summer in favour of DL?

Cheerios,

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:28 pm

Hello FLYSSC,

Thanks for th info on AF fleet and schedules.
Concerning the reconfiguration of AF B772ER, can you tell us which is the registration of the first B772ER to get the new interiors ?
Thanks !
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:35 pm

It is also interesting to note that, for the first time, AF will continue nonstop CDG-SGN flights during the summer schedule. Normally the operation reverts to CDG-BKK-SGN/HAN for the summer. However, this summer AF will operate 3 weekly nonstop CDG-SGN, 3 weekly CDG-BKK-HAN and 4 weekly CDG-BKK terminator services.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:05 pm

This may have been announced earlier - but I missed it - AF adds a second frequency IAH-CDG operating five days a week with an A332 and B777, starts on 09May06.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 11):
Concerning the reconfiguration of AF B772ER, can you tell us which is the registration of the first B772ER to get the new interiors ?

It's F-GSPA.

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 13):
This may have been announced earlier - but I missed it - AF adds a second frequency IAH-CDG operating five days a week with an A332 and B777, starts on 09May06.

The second CDG-IAH-CDG (A332) will be DAILY this summer.
This second frequency should be kept 5 x Weekly next winter.

Quoting AF773 (Reply 10):
Speaking of summer schedule, does anyone know why AF is droping their first daily flight into ATL this summer in favour of DL?

That was a deal with DL :
AF dropped 1 flight to CDG-ATL in favour of DL
DL dropped 1 flight JFK-CDG. AF didn't add frequencies to JFK this summer
but increased the capacity offered on the 5 x DAILY flight, with the "return" of a B744 to JFK.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:58 pm

July - August :

TUN : 5th daily flight to CDG on days 1---567
CMN : 5th daily flight to CDG
Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:06 pm

Any word about the last B737's leaving the fleet? Operating such a small independent fleet cannot be wise economically and operationally in the long run.
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 16):
Any word about the last B737's leaving the fleet?

The B735 are progressively retired.
Only 11 aircraft are still in service. They should all be phased out by next April 2007.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
Yes. a minimum of 3 weekly flights will continue next summer in addition to the Daily B772ER, with a possible upgrade to 5 x Weekly if AF can have the traffic rights.

Tks for reminding me on the limitations imposed by bilaterals.

I also think that AF would first go for two daily GRU instead of increasing frequencies of its daily GIG dlight.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Loads on the daily light CDG-GRU are not so good. Increase the number of frequencies seems will be not helpful.

Lipe: se my reply above. I think AF will first go for two daily GRU instead of increasing flights to GIG. This because although GIG has high loads, its yields are very fragile. GRU, on the contrary, is a typical very strong high yielding destination. Have you looked at the configuration of AF's B772ER to GRU? 50% of the plane space is reserved for biz and first class.

If AF gets the rights, I'm sure that we will see 3 daily AF/KL to GRU by the end of the year, in addition to the already daily AF GIG flight.

Rgs,
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:23 pm

Too bad SJO is not in the list of new destinations...in CostaRica I saw a huge sign saying...AF direct SJO-CDG flights...now that's what I call wrong publicity (i'm sure its passing via MIA just as Martinair advertises direct flights to AMS from SJO)
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:16 pm

I was hoping they would add CPT with their own bird as they use to have back in the old days.

And still dreaming about SEA and MSP...
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:37 am

What will happen to the two 744 withdrawn from ORY? Will they be transferred to CDG, refurbished, and pressed into long-haul service, or will they be sold off?
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:44 am

As I always said FLYSSC, you're a real AF Bible !!!  Wink


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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
12 B773ER are already in service.
7 are due to be delivered between May 2006 and May 2007
5 more will be delivered delivered between June and Nov 2007.

You mentioned above the EZE/SCL leg is always very successful... Do you see this route changing to the 773 eventually?
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The second DAILY flight to MEX (A343)



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
Excellent news for MEX, which now gest 3 daily AF/KL flights

Plus AeroMexicos own flights that I think are also codeshared with Air France...

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:43 am

Looks like PHL's daily flight got an upgrade from 332 to 343

Any other aircraft changes?
Next flights: AF ORY-TLN-ORY; CDG-BOD-CDG; KL CDG-AMS-ADD-AMS-CDG; AF CDG-ATL; DL ATL-MSY-ATL; AF ATL-CDG
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 21):
What will happen to the two 744 withdrawn from ORY? Will they be transferred to CDG, refurbished, and pressed into long-haul service, or will they be sold off?

The B773ER will take over the B744 on the routes ORY-PTP, ORY-FDF next summer 2006 and ORY-RUN starting Feb.2007
The B744 in use on these flights are already all reconfigured and will return to the CDG base.

Next year, only 2 B744 ex-Combi ( F-GISA / F-GISB) will leave the PAX fleet to be converted by Boeing into full Freighters.
Those 2 a/c are the last and only B744 in the "old" P/J/Y config and will remain that way until they are retired.

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 23):
You mentioned above the EZE/SCL leg is always very successful... Do you see this route changing to the 773 eventually?

Until this winter, CDG-EZE-SCL was DAILY operated.
Despite the 3xWeekly CDG-SCL nonstop, CDG-EZE remained DAILY with only 3 x Weekly flights continuing to SCL. It represents quite an important increase of seats offered on the CDG-EZE leg, so I don't see the B773ER on that route, at least in 2007.

Quoting AF773 (Reply 25):
Looks like PHL's daily flight got an upgrade from 332 to 343

Any other aircraft changes?

B773ER to LAX, SEL, BEY
B772ER to BOM & DEL
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17):

That's what I was going to ask. I knew that by early next year the B737's would be gone but I was curious to know more about those. Can you tell me on what routes out of CDG I could still fly on one before next year? I flew six months ago on F-GJNK from VIE to CDG. I don't think you know about this yet, but as time will come, I would like to know about the B737 final flight with Air France. I imagine it will arrive in CDG.

And what about the B747-400's? When are those leaving the fleet? I know the Classics will be gone sometimes this year, but I beleive the 400's will stay a little longer.

Flying Belgian is right, you are a real source of info about Air France.

Bien à vous.

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:05 am

Actually, the B735 are still used on many routes of AF network including domestic flights, all from CDG.
They are of course on "secondary" routes but also to provide extra capacities on the biggest routes.
You can fly them to LYS, DUS, BCN, BEG, GVA, ... and more !

The last flight will for sure a XXX-CDG, but I don't know when yet. I'll keep you informed !  Wink

Quoting American 767 (Reply 27):
And what about the B747-400's? When are those leaving the fleet? I know the Classics will be gone sometimes this year, but I beleive the 400's will stay a little longer.

As mentionned in the Topic, the 4 remaining B743 should leave the fleet by the end of next summer.
The B744 fleet will stay longer but will be reduced from 16 to 14 next year after the conversion of 2 of them into full freighters next year (see my reply#26)
A third aircraft should be converted into a full freighter in 2008.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting AF773 (Reply 25):
Looks like PHL's daily flight got an upgrade from 332 to 343

They're happy cause they just moved to their own gate (#15) in A-West and away from the DL crowd.
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
That was a deal with DL :
AF dropped 1 flight to CDG-ATL in favour of DL
DL dropped 1 flight JFK-CDG. AF didn't add frequencies to JFK this summer
but increased the capacity offered on the 5 x DAILY flight, with the "return" of a B744 to JFK.

That is correct.

What will happen is that DL will reduce JFK-CDG by switching its JFK-CDG-BOM flight to ATL. Since this will add a 5th daily ATL-CDG frequency, AF will drop one flight.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:12 pm

FlySSC ,

since you're knowledgeable about AF , im currently thinking of getting a reward ticket with either AF or KL to DXB in either F or J class, in DEC 06 .
I am more inclined to use AF becuase of the New NEV seats in F and J , and services with AF ( inlcuding lounge) are better when compared to KL and even any other skyteam airline -correct me if im wrong.

Ive got enough miles for F or J class in december 2006- when will the new seats be installed on the DXB route ? it is curently served by B772 and A330 .
Youve stated that the A330 will will be recounfigered with J ( NEV) and Y only , so no F class ? do you know when they will use the new seats on the DXB route? is the lounge in CDG any good ?

one reason i might discontinue my loyaly with AF/KL is because of FLying blue - awful sevice and crap rules . ive got a few miles extra and cant use them for anything , i would extra purchased miles like other quality carriers aloow this BA and EK for example but FB wont. Do you know if DXB might have 50% discount on webaward miles soon ?

appreciate your help

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Airlinefreak1 (Reply 31):
Ive got enough miles for F or J class in december 2006- when will the new seats be installed on the DXB route ? it is curently served by B772 and A330 .
Youve stated that the A330 will will be recounfigered with J ( NEV) and Y only , so no F class ? do you know when they will use the new seats on the DXB route? is the lounge in CDG any good ?

By Dec.06, all the A332 will be reconfigured in J/Y with the new NEV seats, so I would recommand you to chose this flight in J
The B772ER still have a First Class but the fleet is just beginning to be reconfigured (only 1 a/c at the moment, out of 25) so the chances to fly a reconfigured a/c, even in Dec.06, is much lower.

The lounges at CDG are great. I am not very familiar with them but usually Passengers are very happy with them.
Concerning this particular subject, I would suggest you to ask to A.Netters regular users of AF lounges at CDG.

Quoting Airlinefreak1 (Reply 31):
Do you know if DXB might have 50% discount on webaward miles soon ?

No. I don't know. But I know it comes very often on DXB, to help to fill in the second flight.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
It is also interesting to note that, for the first time, AF will continue nonstop CDG-SGN flights during the summer schedule. Normally the operation reverts to CDG-BKK-SGN/HAN for the summer. However, this summer AF will operate 3 weekly nonstop CDG-SGN, 3 weekly CDG-BKK-HAN and 4 weekly CDG-BKK terminator services.

Well that was true until last Sunday (the 12th) !
I booked the non-stop flights CDG-SGN for early May this Sunday on the AF website, and everything was OK.

Then on Tuesday I checked my reservation to discover the non-stop flights has been discontinued and I was transferred to CDG-BKK-SGN flights. Without an e-mail to inform me.

As the return was not convenient for me, but as there is a flight the day before, I wrote to the website to ask for a change.

They answered me on Wednesday that I would be contacted by the "Call Back customer service". No news since then and my reservation is still on the (too) late flight. I am waiting!

So no more non-stop CDG-SGN flights, and a late decision, apparently.
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:30 am

FlySSC

thanks for that . ill prob do that then . Shame the A330's to DXB wont feature First class , abit odd since amadeus reservations still show that F and J classes are both available .

ill prob go for the new J product on the A330 that try the old F on the B772 .

thanks for your help - shoukran
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:02 am

Looks like PHL's daily flight got an upgrade from 332 to 343

Any other aircraft changes?

Interesting...this must mean AF is doing well on PHL service. Makes me happy as I fly that route often although I was a big fan of their A332. Great aircraft.

Quoting Vega (Reply 29):
They're happy cause they just moved to their own gate (#15) in A-West and away from the DL crowd.

Good for AF! Gives PHL's AWest even more international "flavor".
A330 man.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:56 am

FlySSC ,

one last thing , do you think the A330's will be reconfigured with the NEV seats by end of august/ begining of sept. and will feature on the CDG-DXB leg ?

might travel in end of august after all , so just checking ...

regards
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting TGV (Reply 33):
Then on Tuesday I checked my reservation to discover the non-stop flights has been discontinued and I was transferred to CDG-BKK-SGN flights. Without an e-mail to inform me.

Thanks for that info. I last checked on Monday, and the nonstop was still loaded. I was already looking forward to some cheap Z fares in Business, but I guess that if the flight is shared with BKK, I can forget about that.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
14 J (2 rows of 2 x 3 x 2)
36 S ("Alizée Class", a Premium economy available only on the Caribbean/Indian Ocean network with 3 x 3 x 3 )
422 M (Tempo Vacances/discount Economy - 3 x 4 x 3 )
PTV in all classes including M

472 PAX? 3-4-3 in Y class? That sounds NOT fun at all. The 777 should be 3-3-3- or 2-5-2.... I flew on two of AF's 772ERs in January, and 3-3-3 config was tight enough for even smallish people. AF and EK are really cramming them in....

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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting Airlinefreak1 (Reply 36):
do you think the A330's will be reconfigured with the NEV seats by end of august/ begining of sept. and will feature on the CDG-DXB leg ?

Normaly theu should.
AF operates 16 A332. 10 of them are already reconfigured at the date of Feb.16th. The 6 remaining a/c are schedulled to be all reconfigured by the end of April 2006.

Quoting AA777 (Reply 38):
I flew on two of AF's 772ERs in January, and 3-3-3 config was tight enough for even smallish people.

AF has a standard config 3x3x3 on its B772ER with a pitch of 32".

The "High Density" B773ER will offer also a 32" pitch in M and actually, seats are the same even with a 3x4x3 config. The B777 is a large plane, with that config, only the aisles will be more narrow than usual.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:42 pm

Out of interest how do AF's PPT flights perform? I ask because I see that TN are struggling and they fly through to CDG and AF still serve PPT both via LAX. Do these airlines have anything to do with eachother? Maybe TN drop CDG and AF drop PPT and they have a codeshare and connecting service via LAX?

Or is it a political thing and AF have to keep PPT?

AF used to serve NOU now they codeshare via NRT with SB. So why can't they work something similar with TN?

Do AF have any plans to return to Australia? Their codeshare over SIN with QF does quite well I hear.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 40):
Or is it a political thing and AF have to keep PPT?

Yep ! you got it !

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 40):
Maybe TN drop CDG and AF drop PPT and they have a codeshare and connecting service via LAX?

That would be the most logical thing to do. Just like AF & UTA were doing until 1992.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 40):
Do AF have any plans to return to Australia?

NO. Why would they resume a non profitable route while there are other possibilities to make money on it ? (see quote below)

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 40):
Their codeshare over SIN with QF does quite well I hear.

The codeshare with QF is doing VERY well. For both AF & QF.(see above).
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:13 pm

Ok.

Thanks for the quick reply.

It doesn't make sense to me that TN fly to CDG when they are struggling when they could surely arrange something with AF, I understand you that AF have to keep PPT though, but TN to CDG is for some reason beyond me when that takes an extra A340 to operate 6 weekly flights, they should just focus on the US and Australia, NZ, Japan. KIX should be dropped aswell.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 41):
NO. Why would they resume a non profitable route while there are other possibilities to make money on it ? (see quote below)



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 41):
The codeshare with QF is doing VERY well. For both AF & QF.(see above).

Ok understood, was just wondering thats all.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 42):
It doesn't make sense to me that TN fly to CDG when they are struggling when they could surely arrange something with AF, I understand you that AF have to keep PPT though, but TN to CDG is for some reason beyond me when that takes an extra A340 to operate 6 weekly flights, they should just focus on the US and Australia, NZ, Japan. KIX should be dropped aswell.

You are absolutely right ... except about KIX.
There is a huge tourist potential from Japan. The problem with TN is their fleet. The A340 is too big for those markets. The A332 would fit much better (just like SB) for the flights to NOU, AKL, SYD, KIX etc....even HNL
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:17 pm

Is there any chance that NCL-CDG could be upgraded to AF Mainline anytime in the future?
Currently it operates 3 Daily CRJ-700s, but I understand the flights are running very close to full loads, so possibly upgraded in the near future?
How many pax does the AF A318 hold?
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 44):
How many pax does the AF A318 hold?

123 seats.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 44):
Is there any chance that NCL-CDG could be upgraded to AF Mainline anytime in the future?
Currently it operates 3 Daily CRJ-700s, but I understand the flights are running very close to full loads, so possibly upgraded in the near future?

Probably not. AF would rather add a CRJ frequency to increase the capacity offered if the traffic/demand requires.
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 37):
was already looking forward to some cheap Z fares in Business, but I guess that if the flight is shared with BKK, I can forget about that.

I had the chance of getting such a Z fare ! Apparently there are still some Z possibilities (CDG-SGN May 03, SGN-CDG May 16), but fewer obviously.
Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:45 am

FLYSSC,

Concerning the interior reconfiguration of AF B772ER fleet, you said it is with a second generation of new First and Business seats. Have you seen those new seats ? what are the main differences from the NEV one ?

Thanks !
 
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 26):
Next year, only 2 B744 ex-Combi ( F-GISA / F-GISB) will leave the PAX fleet to be converted by Boeing into full Freighters.
Those 2 a/c are the last and only B744 in the "old" P/J/Y config and will remain that way until they are retired.

So, will those 744BCF's remain in the Air France fleet at Air France Cargo?
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RE: Air France Summer 06 News (Part II)

Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:06 pm

Hi does anyone know about news about CityJet (WX) flights for the summer season???? I hope we get some great destinations ...... that would be a good change to have new overnights somewhere else!
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