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PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:30 am

With the recent surge in International flying by US Airlines I'd like to start a thread on cities that Pan Am and TWA flew to in their heydey that haven't been served by US Airlines since.

I can think of a few:

Karachi (Pan Am)
Krakow (Pan Am)
Riyadh (Pan Am and TWA)
Bahrain (Pan Am and TWA)
Dhahran (Pan Am- now known as Dammam)
Kuwait (TWA)
Nuremberg (Pan Am)
Recife (Pan Am)
Zagreb (Pan Am)
Dubrovnik (Pan Am)
Ankara (Pan Am)
Santa Maria (TWA)
Casablanca (Pan Am and TWA)
Entebbe (Pan Am)
Monrovia (Pan Am)
Nairobi (Pan Am)
Accra (Pan Am)
Abidjan (Pan Am)

I am sure there are many more!
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:35 am

PNE (Northeast Philadelphia) -- no longer served by any scheduled carrier since TW Express pulled out in the mid-90s
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:42 am

I'm not sure about this one but I'm pretty sure Beirut (BEY) didn't see American carriers since. The Lebanese will surely give their input if they know of such endeavours.
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:45 am

an interesting list - I assume that KRK ZAG and Dubrovnik were served on narrowbodies from FRA ?

just curious when did PA serve EBB ?
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
an interesting list - I assume that KRK ZAG and Dubrovnik were served on narrowbodies from FRA ?

Yes, Pan Am had a fleet of 727s at FRA. When Delta bought out PA's Atlantic routes, the FRA hub didn't last very long.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Serv

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:17 am

Beirut (Pan Am)
Okinawa (TWA)
Nairobi (TWA did it also)
Nadi Fiji (Pan Am)
New Caledonia (Pan Am)
Belgrade (Pan Am)
Dar Es Salam (Pan Am)
Tehran (Pan Am)
Keflavik (Pan Am)
Colombo (TWA)
Basra (TWA)
Bergasi (TWA)
Tripoli (TWA)
Tunis (TWA)
Algiers (TWA

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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Nadi Fiji (Pan Am)

I am pretty sure that CO flew to NAN enroute to SYD for a little while when they first ventured into the South Pacific , although they no longer do so .

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
New Caledonia (Pan Am)

Are you sure PA flew to New Caledonia ?
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
New Caledonia (Pan Am)

Continental Micronesia flew to Noumea from GUM in the late 1990's.

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)

Air Mike also flew GUM-Okinawa.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting ContinentalFan (Reply 4):
When Delta bought out PA's Atlantic routes, the FRA hub didn't last very long.

It was there through at least '96...
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:04 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 8):
It was there through at least '96...

They didn't dehub Frankfurt until late 1996 and at that point they dumped the remaining A 310s also. A lot of points were linked directly with JFK while others were dropped entirely.

Quoting Haveric (Reply 1):
PNE (Northeast Philadelphia) -- no longer served by any scheduled carrier since TW Express pulled out in the mid-90s

When did TWA serve PNE? That's neat that they did, just wondering when.

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)

I believe NW served Okinawa for a bit in the 1980s, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was one of those points NW put on their route map at the time (like Kuala Lumpur and a few others) but did not serve!
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)



Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 9):
I believe NW served Okinawa for a bit in the 1980s, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was one of those points NW put on their route map at the time (like Kuala Lumpur and a few others) but did not serve!

actually...both Northwest AND Continental flew to Naha, Okinawa (a.k.a OKA)

i flew on those flights. back in '92 i flew HNL-GUM-OKA (on CO; HNL-GUM DC-10, GUM-OKA B727)

in summer of '93 flew on NW OKA-GUM-HNL (B727 OKA-GUM; DC-10 GUM-HNL) same a/c for return routing.

IIRC, NW discontinued HNL-GUM/GUM-OKA between the end of '93 or '94 cause i remember my mom making travel arrangements for us (summer of '94) to fly via ITM in '94. we flew JAL from OKA-ITM and NW from ITM-HNL and we flew CO back to OKA via GUM.

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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
New Caledonia (Pan Am)



Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Nadi Fiji (Pan Am)

CO flew to all those destinations.

There's also plenty of International Destinations CO currently serves that PA or TWA never flew.
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:14 pm

PA and TW were true American flag carriers... they connected the US to every major world city and many other smaller ones, something that no current carrier in the US does (although CO, DL, and AA are trying)...

I hope some of those cities do get service back from American carriers... Let's have America reach out in the world in a non-negative manner...
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:39 pm

While I grew up with the likes of Braniff and Pan Am in the 60s and 70s, I am still fascinated by TW's global reach during it's heyday almost on a par with their cross JFK rival PA. When I first took any real notice of TW as a teen in the 70s, TW by then had ceasd much of their Asian (save for Isreal) operations and with the exception of Cairo all of Africa. By that time TW was slowly beginning their decline into the history books.

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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:49 pm

Sorry I was so bad skipping COMIKE all the time for the South Pacific,


I thought NW served KUL once from KIX, but after the ASian economy crisis, they pulled out and did a codeshare with MH from KIX

NW also served CGK at one time too.
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:01 pm

Midway Island (MDY), USA - Pan Am
Wake Island (AWK), USA - Pan Am
Douala (DLA), Cameroon - Pan Am Definitely
Brazzaville (BZV), Congo - Pan Am I think
Kinshasa (FIH) (then known as Leopoldville), Congo - Pan Am I think

This is all from memory, but PA in Africa definitely served Douala, and I'm pretty sure at one time they served Brazzaville and Leopoldville. I'm sure they served the Azores and probably Gander or St. John's New Foundland during the days of shorter ranged aircraft.

Cairo

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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:52 pm

PA 707 to Libreville
PA 707 to Cotonou
PA 707 to Rabat
PA 707 to Bergen
PA ATR42 to Kiel
PA ATR42 to Saarbrucken
PA 707 to CapeTown
PA 707 to Jakarta
PA 707 to Yangon (Rangoon)
PA 707 to Kolkata (Calcutta)
PA 707 to Rock Sound
PA 707 to Paramaribo
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting Cairo (Reply 15):
Douala (DLA), Cameroon - Pan Am Definitely
Brazzaville (BZV), Congo - Pan Am I think

Good ones! Forgot about them.

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 16):
PA ATR42 to Kiel
PA ATR42 to Saarbrucken

Didn't PA Express, also go to Basel/Mulhouse, Dormund and Bremen?
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:52 pm

There were other Pan Am German destinations too: Westerland (Sylt), Kiel, and Hanover come to mind.

What about Papeete?

I'm not sure about Riyadh. Didn't Delta fly there just before September 11th?
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:49 am

Delta never served Saudi Arabia,

CAI-DXB only
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Serv

Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:51 am

Brasilia and Recife in Brazil had Pan Am service. And if this thread only regards scheduled service, then Havana, Cuba too.

[Edited 2006-02-18 17:52:51]
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 5):
Okinawa (TWA)

NW served that until 1994 i believe

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 9):
Maybe it was one of those points NW put on their route map at the time (like Kuala Lumpur and a few others) but did not serve!

NW did serve Kuala Lumpur, as said pulled out with Asian economy crisis.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Thread starter):
Accra (Pan Am)

North American Airlines currently flies JFK-ACC. 1 flight per week.

JFK-ACC 11:00pm - 1:30pm (depart friday arrive saturday)
ACC-JFK 12:30pm - 6:55pm (depart sunday arrive sunday)

what the aircraft does in accra for 25 hours i do no tknow.

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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 15):
St. John's New Foundland during the days of shorter ranged aircraft.

CO currently flies daily nonstop from EWR to St.John's.

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 16):
PA 707 to Bergen

I think NWA might have flown JFK-Bergen or BOS Bergen in the Early '80s.

Quoting Mats (Reply 18):
What about Papeete?

CO flew to Papeete.
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:33 am

I can't imagine why Northwest pulled Okinawa service since we have some very large bases there. Kadena AB and the Marine Bases have very large populations of US Dependents, DoD Civilians and Active Duty Personnel. In order to leave Okinawa you have the Patrioit Express Flight to Seattle which will end in 2006 or fly JAL to Tokyo Haneda and transfer to Narita to fly to the US or fly to another Japanese Airport to change planes.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:53 am

Did Delta at least PLAN to serve Riyadh? Or have I completely made this up? I remember when they added service from JFK to Cairo, Tel Aviv, Dubai, and Tokyo/Narita. But I swear Riyadh was planned as well.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:58 am

You remember Delta flying JFK-NRT?
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
Quoting Cairo (Reply 15):
St. John's New Foundland during the days of shorter ranged aircraft.

CO currently flies daily nonstop from EWR to St.John's.

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 16):
PA 707 to Bergen

I think NWA might have flown JFK-Bergen or BOS Bergen in the Early '80s.

I think it was JFK-Gotenburg. Maybe Bergen as well also. NW was very agressive with Scandanavia service in the early 80s.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 22):



Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 22):
what the aircraft does in accra for 25 hours i do no tknow.

I bet the aircraft just sits there !!
too bad most of us get too soon old and too late smart
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting NW305 (Reply 24):
I can't imagine why Northwest pulled Okinawa service since we have some very large bases there.

It's all about the yield. Too many travelling on gov't fares. The resources were moved to other routes, where yields were better.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 27):
think it was JFK-Gotenburg. Maybe Bergen as well also. NW was very agressive with Scandanavia service in the early 80s.

Northwest served a lot of Scandanavia but never Bergen or Gotenburg.
 
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RE: PA/TW Cities That No US Airline Has Since Served

Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:53 am

Most of what has been posted so far has been from the jet-age, but if you go back just a little deeper, the peak of PanAms reach was in the late 40's, when it still maintained domestic traffic rights in several nations (other than Germany which is what most people only remember.)

Here's some you don't hear about every day:
Tapachula Mexico
Antofagasta Chile
Salinas Peru
Salvador Brazil
Nanking China
Rangoon Burma

And about 200 more! Especially Brazil, Bolivia, China, and Mexico...HUGE.
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