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Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:52 am

I did a search with no results.

There is a rather odd rumor floating around that I’ve heard from a number of Comair pilots, inflight and rampers now that OH is going to become a NW Airlink partner.

I’m rather curious about this and wondering if there would be any restrictions in place to keep this from happening or if it is in fact possible. I know there are currently code shares in place for NW/DL/CO. I wasn’t sure if DL having OH wholly owned would help this happen or keep it from happening. I know that AE used to operate codeshare DL Conx Flts out of LAX. So would this be the same type of thing?

If this is to happen is this go or bad for either party? Does this put the two closer to a merger? I can’t even begin to think what the true ramifications could be...

I know NW was looking for or to create another carrier which would have 60-90 seat aircraft. Is this thier solution?


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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:43 am

I heard the rumor too.

OH is a different company than Delta. That must be remembered in this situation. Much like Eagle operates flights as DL connection out of LAX, OH is probably free to operate flights as NW Airlink.

And why shouldn't they? DL is taking away RJs from OH. It's a fight for life over there.

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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
OH is a different company than Delta.

OH isn't a different company from Delta. It is a wholly owned subsidiary.
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:56 am

OH is a wholly owned subsidiary of DL for now. Also from what I have heard floating around was that the Q400 was going to OH as well.


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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:16 am

I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1. Anyone know any truth to that? The UA folks in JAX are also DGS.



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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:28 am

There was a blurb in the Enquirer on Monday.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...AID=/20060213/BIZ01/302130019/1076

Comair is trying to reduce costs by $70 million, including $27.2 million from labor – cuts it says it needs to stay competitive with other regional airlines for Delta routes. It also has bid to fly routes for Northwest Airlines, and a decision on that could be coming soon.
 
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 4):
I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1. Anyone know any truth to that? The UA folks in JAX are also DGS.

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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:32 am

Well it would probably be smarter financially for Delta to whore out part of OH to NW, as if DL drops EV or OO as a Delta Connection carrier in the next four years, they don't get the final $125 million payment from SkyWest for the ASA purchase (Due on the fourth anniversary of the closing date of the deal).
 
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:51 am

It's likely that Comair was invited to submit a bid to fly CRJs currently flown by Pinnacle. Its also likely that Comair submitted a bid. Comair could submit a competetive bid, depending on what services Comair would provide. For example:

- Ground handling. If Comair takes over ground handling for the Airlink flights, they would have an advantage. Comair already ground handles for Delta and Delta connection in a large number of cities that would be served by NW Airlink. The people and equipment are already in place, and would be used more efficiently if used to gorund handle both DL and NW flying.

- Fleet commonality. Comair would not have to type approve a new fleet. They have the program in place for initial training and recurrent. Companies like Republic would have to spend substantial amounts of money to get type approval for the new aircraft. Word is that Mesaba spent somewhere around $6 million to prepare for CRJ flying, only to have deliveries stop after only 2 aircraft were delivered.

Comair has disadvantages:

- Cost structure. If the bid is only for flying, they can't compete. Even after the Comair pilots agreed to concessions, their payscales are well above Mesaba and Pinnacle. Mesaba is looking for a 19% paycut from most employee groups, furthering the gap.

Will it happen? Who knows. I think it's unlikely, but it certainly could happen.....
 
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:52 am

Even XJ has bid on routes from other companies (CO express) to fly on behalf of them, the days of a carrier being very loyal to one airline are dead (ALA FlyI). -Matt in KITH
 
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
Much like Eagle operates flights as DL connection out of LAX, OH is probably free to operate flights as NW Airlink.

MQ operates flights as MQ. NW and DL (and others?) codeshare on the flights, but they are MQ flights.
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 4):
I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1.

Not in CLE, we aren't, I know that for sure.
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:58 am

Well I was told by our management that we ALWAYS submit bids to NW when given the opportunity. As some of you probably know, Fred's plan is for OH to exit ch11 protection, seperate from DL- so perhaps this is one of the first signs of that...

There certainly have been a lot of rumors that we'll be handling a number of Pinnacle services in different airports. I have been told by more than a couple flightcrews that it is "a done deal", however when I asked my manager, I was told, "I'm not saying anything". So who knows... maybe management is just trying to keep it quiet for now.

As others have said, OH's cost structure is a lot higher than that of Pinnacle. I don't think you'll see OH take over all of Pinnacle operations. What I do think is more likley, is OH taking over Pinnacle services at stations which currently serve both. As an example, at my airport there is a Comair flight and a Pinnacle flight about 30 minutes apart. These could easily be worked by solely OH staff, given maybe 2 or 3 more part time positions, which would certainly be more cost effective than staffing an entire 6 person Pinnacle station. Shared GSE, gates, etc could just help to further lower costs. I think if you evaluate the possibilities purely on the basis of labor cost you'll make the wrong assumptions. Rather, look at where it would be cost effective for OH to handle pinnacle flights...

The vibe I get from OH management, is a desired shift in our business model to obviously offer a competitive cost structure, but also fly for multiple carriers, like a Mesa or Shuttle America. There has been a lot of talk of getting some larger gauge airplanes on the property, and the EMB170 has been mentioned a lot. I'm not sure what the scope regulations are and such.

Obviously, being associated with DL for the whold ch11 deal hurt our growth plans a lot. Prior to the ch11 filing, there was actually a plan for acquiring larger gauge aircraft, which has since been put on the back burner- after all, who's going to finance someone that's bankrupt.

Just as a question- how come when I posted about this I was flamed, but this thread is doing just fine?  Wink
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:37 am

You know i was just thinking about it abd last time i flew in to CHO I think OH was handling NW Airlink flights. Are there any other stations currently like this?
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 13):
You know i was just thinking about it abd last time i flew in to CHO I think OH was handling NW Airlink flights. Are there any other stations currently like this?

There are a few select cities that OH currently handles NW Airlink flights in, can't recall them off the top of my head, but there are a few...
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:30 am

Bangor, Maine has delta handling NW airlink (Pinnacle) flights. For that matter though, Continental handles Pinnacle flights in CAE
 
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 4):
I heard the rumor mill in JAX is that Delta Global Services will be taking over Northwest's ground services April 1. Anyone know any truth to that? The UA folks in JAX are also DGS.

Actually I had heard that XJ picked up the ground services in JAX and a number of other cities.
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:03 am

Actually no one has picked up any Ground Handling contracts at this moment. Until the final vote on 03Mar to see if the IAM accepts NW offer then that is when you will start to see ground Handling converted in a number of Stations. I do know that RDU and AUS are the first 2 stations to go, cause they will be the Pilot Program Stations, but only if the Contract passes.
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:40 am

8 different carriers bid on the NWA RJ flying.
 
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:15 pm

wow, thanks for all the info guys!
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RE: Comair To Operate NW Airlink?

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:36 pm

I think Skyteam needs to do a better job of integrating ground operations. While things like the DL and CO move to the World Gateway at DTW and NW and CO moving over to Terminal 3 at CVG are a start, the UA-AC model is one to which NW, DL, and CO ought to look. There are certainly cost savings to be had, and aside from the loss of jobs, there's not really any downside. After all, an OH CRJ can't be any harder or easier to push back than a 9E CRJ.
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