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AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:57 am

Air Canada to launch daily Fort McMurray-Newfoundland express; Expands non-stop flights from western Canada

MONTREAL, Feb. 17 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada today announced the
introduction of the only non-stop flights between Fort McMurray and Toronto,
with same plane service continuing to St. John's, NL. Beginning April 8, 2006,
Air Canada will operate Saturday service linking Northern Alberta and
St. John's with the only direct service, ramping up to daily service starting
June 17. Tickets are now available for purchase at aircanada.com or through
travel agents.
"The introduction of the only non-stop flights between Fort McMurray and
Toronto links Northern Alberta to Air Canada's largest hub giving direct
access to our worldwide network," said Ben Smith, Vice President, Network
Planning. "Not only do the new flights offer North American business
travellers to and from Fort McMurray the most convenient connections at Air
Canada's Toronto hub, the new flights also offer the fastest and easiest way
for Atlantic Canadians living and working in Fort McMurray to travel to
Newfoundland and Labrador. The arrival of our new, state-of-the-art Embraer
jets allow us to pursue these new market opportunities, and meet travellers'
needs with the best schedules and the most choice every day."
Air Canada's new Fort McMurray-Toronto-St. John's flights will be
operated using its new, ultra-modern, spacious and efficient 93-seat Embraer
E190 jet with a choice of Executive Class or Hospitality service. The
aircrafts are equipped with Air Canada's new personal entertainment system
that is being introduced fleet-wide, and feature 8.9-inch wide digital in-seat
monitors with touch-screen controls offering audio and video on demand
programming at every seat.

Schedule:

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AC 1198 1305 departs 1839 arrives 1925 departs 0005 arrives
Fort McMurray Toronto Toronto St. John's
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AC 1197 0715 departs 0915 arrives 1000 departs 1208 arrives
St. John's Toronto Toronto Fort McMurray
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Travellers to and from western Canada are benefiting from new non-stop
services as Air Canada renews its North American fleet:

Calgary-New York (JFK): daily non-stop service starting March 1 with
93-seat Embraer E190 jet offering a choice of
Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Edmonton-Los Angeles: daily non-stop service starting May 1 with
75-seat Bombardier 705 jet offering a choice of
Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Recently launched routes include: Vancouver-San Diego, Vancouver-Las
Vegas, Calgary-Las Vegas, and Calgary-Abbotsford.


Upcoming summer schedule enhancements include:

Vancouver-Ottawa: one additional flight for a total of four daily non-
stop flights offering a choice of Executive Class or
Hospitality service.

Vancouver-New York (JFK): one additional flight for a total of two daily
non-stop flights with 120-seat Airbus A319
offering a choice of Executive Class or
Hospitality service.

Vancouver-Whitehorse: one additional flight for a total of three daily
non-stop flights with 75-seat Bombardier CRJ-705
offering a choice of Executive Class or Hospitality
service.

Edmonton-Ottawa: one additional flight for a total of two daily non-
stop flights with 93-seat Embraer E190 offering a
choice of Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Edmonton-Montreal: up to daily non-stop flights by April 2 offering a
choice of Executive Class or Hospitality service.

Edmonton-Winnipeg: one additional flight for a total of three daily
non-stop flights with 50-seat Bombardier CRJ-200.

Edmonton-Fort McMurray: one additional flight for a total of five daily
non-stop flights.

Edmonton-Grande Prairie: one additional flight for a total of five daily
non-stop flights.

Calgary-Montreal: one additional flight for a total of four daily
non-stop flights offering a choice of Executive Class
or Hospitality service.

Calgary-Grande Prairie: one additional flight for a total of four daily
non-stop flights.

Saskatoon-Toronto: one additional flight for a total of four daily
non-stop flights offering a choice of Executive Class
or Hospitality service.

Regina-Toronto: one additional flight for a total of four daily non-stop
flights offering a choice of Executive Class or
Hospitality service.

Once again the Embraers are exploiting new opportunities.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:03 am

I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG

I was wondering that, too. Seems right, or else another YMM 'enhancement' would probably have been listed on the schedule.

Anyway, wow! This is exactly the kind of route that the 190's are going to be good for. To some extent (although it's hard to see exactly how much), this is sure to hurt Westjet a little bit, and it will be hard for them to respond. But I also wonder whether this might result in a reduction of Jazz' current flight to YMM, which are on Dash's, I think.

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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG

No,YEG is being served with DH3's,it's just an additional flight. YYC has 3 non-stop CRJ flights a day. I'm not shocked by the E90 non-stop service to YYZ and YYT,rather I'm really surprised that did something that mad perfect sense!
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I am guessing that based on the timings of this flight it will turn at YMM and provide the extra flight to YEG

????
AC1197 arrives from YYZ at 1208 and departs back to YYZ at 1305
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
No,YEG is being served with DH3's,it's just an additional flight. YYC has 3 non-stop CRJ flights a day. I'm not shocked by the E90 non-stop service to YYZ and YYT,rather I'm really surprised that did something that mad perfect sense!

If you look at that schedule up there, YMM-YEG is getting one extra flight, which is why I wondered. I mean, why would AC keep the E90 on the ground at YMM for 4:31?
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
If you look at that schedule up there, YMM-YEG is getting one extra flight, which is why I wondered. I mean, why would AC keep the E90 on the ground at YMM for 4:31?

They are not keeping it on the ground in YYM for 4:31, it will be a 57 minute turn.


AC1197 departs YYT 0715
arrives YYZ 0915
departs YYZ 1000
arrives YMM 1208

AC 1198 departs YMM 1305
arrives YYZ 1839
departs YYZ 1925
arrives YYT 0005
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting YOW (Thread starter):
1305 departs 1839

Ah, I see where I got confused now.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:23 am

Looks like a few people need to eat some well cooked crow. Recalling a thread several months ago from a.netter CAYMAN, the question of the YMM-YYZ route was put forth and he was roundly dismissed.
RE: Any Chance Of AC YYZ-Ft McMurray? (by CayMan Sep 3 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2308289

It certainly goes to show despite all the speculation you never know what is going on the in boardroom.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:57 am

AC1197 departs YYT 0715
arrives YYZ 0915
departs YYZ 1000
arrives YMM 1208

AC 1198 departs YMM 1305
arrives YYZ 1839
departs YYZ 1925
arrives YYT 0005


Well done, that is some good aircraft utilization.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:10 am

Man those are really marginal routes. San Diego to Vancouver? Boy, you could never do that in the old days. Same with four nonstops a day between Vancouver and Ottowa. I mean, Ottowa's not a big town and Vancouver is nearly five hours away. How many nonstops were there from YOW to YVR in the 70s or 80s? One DC8 if you were lucky? God bless the RJ and the long legs of the A319.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:38 am

Not very big!!!!  irked 

Quote:
The Ottawa Region, with 1.05 million residents, is the fourth-largest urban area in Canada.

Thats behind Toronto, Montreal, and then Vancouver.

Now only if the mainline carriers , the likes of BA or Luftansa, would come to YOW and fly internationally, our airport would grow substantially more.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:42 am

There was another thread in a.net stating that AC will be flying a 2nd RT between YYZ and SEA using E190 equipement.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:04 am

1 million people in the Ottowa "region" (how big is that? does it reach to Montreal's city limits?) ain't that big for somewhere that gets two flights a day to a city five hours away. Most cities in Europe with a population of 1 million or less don't have scheduled flights to anywhere five hours away. Or does EDI get Emirates flights now? That's about the extent of it. Not being down on Ottowa you understand, I've heard it's great, great music scene etc.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
Man those are really marginal routes. San Diego to Vancouver? Boy, you could never do that in the old days.

Um, San Diego is the second largest city in California and the seventh largest in the US. Vancouver is the second largest city in Canada. Both are maritime powerhouses. Why wouldn't they have flights. IIRC, Alaska has had a non-stop on the route for years and I think CP also flew it.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
Same with four nonstops a day between Vancouver and Ottowa. I mean, Ottowa's not a big town and Vancouver is nearly five hours away. How many nonstops were there from YOW to YVR in the 70s or 80s? One DC8 if you were lucky?

Um, why wouldn't they have more flights per day on the route given that Ottawa IS the capital of the country.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 13):

1 million people in the Ottowa "region" (how big is that? does it reach to Montreal's city limits?)

Ottawa proper has 808,000 people, actually more than San Francisco. Also, the Capital Region includes only the parts that are in Ontario. Ottawa is right on the border and across the Ottawa River is the 5th largest city in Quebec, Gatineau, which has another 226,000 people. Adding that to all the people in Ottawa suburbs in Ontario and you are approaching 1.3-1.4 million, about the same size as the New Orleans Metro Area pre-Katrina
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:51 pm

First of all, it's OTTAWA.

I'm sure living in London gives you a much different view of city sizes, but a European concept of geography and population is simply not appropriate when talking about North America. It's more challenging to serve markets effectively, especially in the medium sized Canadian markets. You can't just stick a 757 or an A300 and fly 20 frequencies a day between cities, it needs to be planned thoughtfully, and until recently, appropriate aircraft didn't exist to do the job (as you pointed out).

I don't mean to be a buzzkill, but why be nostalgic about days when inefficient, infrequent, indirect service was the norm?
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:09 pm

San Diego may have surpassed San Francisco in population in terms of the cities themselves, but the San Francisco Metro area is far larger than San Diego Metro area.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 16):

San Diego may have surpassed San Francisco in population in terms of the cities themselves

May have? San Francisco isn't even the largest city in its metro area, and hasn't been for quite a time.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 16):
but the San Francisco Metro area is far larger than San Diego Metro area.

QSF also has 3 major airports serving it, while SAN is the only game in town unless people want to hike to ONT/SNA/LGB/LAX.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:56 pm

Just some stats here. N1120A, Vancouver is not the 2nd biggest city, but the 3rd, after Toronto and Montreal. The Ottawa area is the 4th...Why don't we let the facts speak for themselves:

The 10 largest CMAs (Census Metropolitan Areas) for the last census (2001) according to Statistics Canada www.statcan.ca

Toronto ON 4.65 M (not including Hamilton)
Montreal QC 3.38 M
Vancouver BC 1.97 M
Ottawa-Gatineau ON/QC 1.05 M
Calgary AB .94 M
Edmonton AB .93 M
Quebec City QC .67 M
Winnipeg MB .66 M
Hamilton ON .66
London ON .43
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:11 am

Just a note too everyone, from a person who is involved in urban planning. When you talk about cities' populations, it is useless to just talk about the arbitrary municipal boundaries of an urban entity (unless you're talking about city hall financing, but we won't go there). An urban area is made up of all the municipalities that are contigious. Hence, the parts of New Jersey across the river from New York are part of the New York metro area even though officially, they are different entities created to manage municipal services. Likewise, Mississaga is part of Greater Toronto. Richmond is part of greater Vancouver Oakland is part of Greater San Francisco, Yokohama is part of Greater Tokyo, Hull-Gatineau is part of Greater Ottawa......

So, San Diego may be the second largest MUNICIPALITY in California, but it is definitely not the second largest metropolitan area; that title belongs to San Francisco.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:59 am

AC is certainly going to hurt WJ with these new E90 flights. YMM-YYZ should have been a natural WJ route.

So, since this is same plane E90 service from YMM to YYT, how does the E90 get rotated to other routes? Must be at YYT?

Quoting Yulguy (Reply 19):
Just a note too everyone, from a person who is involved in urban planning. When you talk about cities' populations, it is useless to just talk about the arbitrary municipal boundaries of an urban entity (unless you're talking about city hall financing, but we won't go there). An urban area is made up of all the municipalities that are contigious.

Correct. Indeed, more that that...the catchment area of an airport is often many times to size of the city. YYC serves as the primary airport for all of Southern Alberta and the western edge of BC.....which is about 1.5M people. Combined with YYC's wealth, that's why YYC handles as many passengers as YUL which has many times more people.

Similarly, London has a relatively unused airport since road connections are good and distances short.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 20):
So, since this is same plane E90 service from YMM to YYT, how does the E90 get rotated to other routes? Must be at YYT?

I believe the plane sleeps at YYT. It doesn't get there until just past midnight, and it leaves for Toronto at 7:15. So barring some red-eye to Halifax that would arrive at 3:30 a.m., or so, I don't think there's any more the plane can do. This route takes up its whole day.

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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:15 pm

Will the fully-loaded E190 have any trouble getting off YMM's 6000' runway?? If the flight is ever full it will have a lot of luggage and a fair amount of fuel heading for YYZ. Will be interesting to see how this route does for AC.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting Tennisace (Reply 22):

Will the fully-loaded E190 have any trouble getting off YMM's 6000' runway?? If the flight is ever full it will have a lot of luggage and a fair amount of fuel heading for YYZ. Will be interesting to see how this route does for AC.

The 1427nm flight is well within the range of the E190, which runs around 2200nm. Additionally, the flight is going with the jetstream. Shouldn't be an issue
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 21):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 20):
So, since this is same plane E90 service from YMM to YYT, how does the E90 get rotated to other routes? Must be at YYT?

I believe the plane sleeps at YYT. It doesn't get there until just past midnight, and it leaves for Toronto at 7:15. So barring some red-eye to Halifax that would arrive at 3:30 a.m., or so, I don't think there's any more the plane can do. This route takes up its whole day.

You missed my point. Unless another E90 meets this E90 at YYT, I don't see how AC will rotate E90's onto this route, other than "unscheduled" equipment changes at YYZ which will only serve to annoy the YMM-YYT pax.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Additionally, the flight is going with the jetstream.

Well, eastbound yes.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 24):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Additionally, the flight is going with the jetstream.

Well, eastbound yes.

The eastbound is the one off the 6000' runway

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 24):
You missed my point. Unless another E90 meets this E90 at YYT, I don't see how AC will rotate E90's onto this route, other than "unscheduled" equipment changes at YYZ which will only serve to annoy the YMM-YYT pax.

Looks like it will RON at YYT
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:35 pm

It just seems foolish IMHO to start it now??? Once a week on Saturdays then daily in June, just doesn't add up. Why go daily in the summer when that's off season time up there?? The busy times are really Oct-Mar so why now? and then why daily in the summer?? That's the only part of this that bothers me, other than that it was going to happen by one of the airlines WJ or AC sooner or later.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Lymanm (Reply 15):
First of all, it's OTTAWA.



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
Boy, you could never do that in the old days. Same with four nonstops a day between Vancouver and Ottowa. I mean, Ottowa's not a big town and Vancouver is nearly five hours away. How many nonstops were there from YOW to YVR in the 70s or 80s?

Thank you Lymanm for your brillant insight. Wherever Ottowa is (if it even exists) must be a pretty small place. 4 flights a day is an appropriate amount of capacity for the route. YOW-YVR and YOW-YHZ basically tie for the second busiest O&D city pair from YOW and notice how YOW-YHZ has 8 flights a day during the summertime, yet no one has said anything about that.

Back in the days of the AC/CP wars YOW-YVR was served 6x/day with A320s during the summer season. AC is capitalizing on WS' neglection of the YOW market and lack of a YOW-YVR nonstop.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 13):
1 million people in the Ottowa "region" (how big is that? does it reach to Montreal's city limits?) ain't that big for somewhere that gets two flights a day to a city five hours away.

I think you have a difficult time grasping just how big a country Canada geographically is. Canada's land mass is larger than the entire European continent.

Ottawa-Gatineau's metropolitan population is approaching 1.15 million. The region grew by 22,000 ppl in 2005. Your are right though about the two cities' land mass. Combined, they cover a land mass larger than Prince Edward Island which equates to an area larger than a couple of European countries.

By the way, for the YMM-YYZ-YYT doubters, keep in mind YMM's pax numbers grew by over 31% in 2005.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 24):
You missed my point. Unless another E90 meets this E90 at YYT, I don't see how AC will rotate E90's onto this route, other than "unscheduled" equipment changes at YYZ which will only serve to annoy the YMM-YYT pax.

Looks like it will RON at YYT

I agree, it looks like there may be an "unscheduled" equipment change at YYZ in order to rotate the aircraft occasionally.

There is one other possiblity, which I unfortunatly I couldn't find any proof for in the schedule: swap with other flight pairs that sleeps at YYT overnight. There are actually two YYT-YYZ flights that leave between 5am and 715 every morning in the summer, plus a daily YYT-YUL. They're almost always 319/320s but with some carefull equipment planning, they could swap the aircraft back to YYZ or YUL if the loads of a given day work out.

(There's also the dailiy summertime YYT-YHZ-YYC-YVR on AC185 but I doubt they would use that.)
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 24):
You missed my point. Unless another E90 meets this E90 at YYT, I don't see how AC will rotate E90's onto this route, other than "unscheduled" equipment changes at YYZ which will only serve to annoy the YMM-YYT pax.



Quoting CXH (Reply 28):
There is one other possiblity, which I unfortunatly I couldn't find any proof for in the schedule: swap with other flight pairs that sleeps at YYT overnight. There are actually two YYT-YYZ flights that leave between 5am and 715 every morning in the summer, plus a daily YYT-YUL. They're almost always 319/320s but with some carefull equipment planning, they could swap the aircraft back to YYZ or YUL if the loads of a given day work out.

Maybe as more of the E190's come online, there may in fact be two overnighting in YYT in the future - maybe one of the YHZ-YYT runs will be a E190 in the fall.?
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting Tennisace (Reply 29):
Maybe as more of the E190's come online, there may in fact be two overnighting in YYT in the future - maybe one of the YHZ-YYT runs will be a E190 in the fall.?

You're getting warmer.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 30):
You're getting warmer.

Okay I'll bite..........YOW-YYT to be announced soon???
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:10 am

9252fly, was Tennisace getting warmer with the YOW-YYT thought? The traffic is definitely there for such a routing with a 90 seater.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting YOW" class=quote target=_blank>YOW (Reply 32):
9252fly, was Tennisace getting warmer with the YOW-YYT thought? The traffic is definitely there for such a routing with a 90 seater.

To be frank and honest,I don't have the specifics to the E90 rotation,rest assured it will be a YYT cycling though. The likely answer is an existing flight (Airbus)will be replaced with the E90. The one thing I've found over the years is that,if you think it logically through,the answer becomes obvious and you tend to be correct.

I'm not an insider within AC's marketing and scheduling department,but I'll comment on the YOW-YYT question. It's a good idea and a reasonable possibility,beyond that you get into questions of viability such as connectivity,potential yield,O & D traffic(Government $$$). AC has years of statistics on the traffic between YOW and YYT,so if they decide to give it a try,then it would make sense to do it with an E90 and downgauge it to E75 in the off season as demand tapers off,or just make it seasonal only.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:57 pm

Well as someone who lives in YMM I think I'll make a little comment.

This is FANTASTIC news!

Our city is currently the place to be in Alberta. We have so much demand for work that people are flying in from everywhere. A lot of people only work in YMM but live in other cities so every weekend it is almost impossible to get flights.

In the winter, we see full flights with Japanese tourists. Throughout the year, the flights are full with workers. AC Jazz, WestJet, Corporate Express, and Air Mikisiew are the airlines that I know that fly here regularly. On top of that, the oil companies have their own aircraft. My company has 1 jet currently flying YMM/YYC 3 times a day. We have a second jet for longer haul. We recently purchased an RJ to add to our fleet. If our own a/c are full, we try to book commercial but that is almost impossible.

Also - a lot of people connect from YMM to YYZ so this non-stop will be nice. YMM is also known as the second largest city in Newfoundland because of the number of Newfoundlanders living here. This onward to YYT is great.

So - without knowing official numbers and such, there is a local's perspective. The only problem is the Saturday only flights - I think that will be good for the holiday types because most people work Monday to Thursday. So the busiest times are Thursday/Friday outbound and Sunday/Monday inbound. I'm sure AC knows what they are doing. I am looking forward to more frequency. Wow - can't wait to fly the E190!

Cheers!
Len
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Tennisace
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:31 pm

Yeah!!!......the AC website finally is updated and shows the 1-stop YMM-YYZ-YYT E190 service the way it was announced in the press release. Funny it took so long to be programmed in correctly. Cheers!
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting Hrhf1 (Reply 8):
Looks like a few people need to eat some well cooked crow. Recalling a thread several months ago from a.netter CAYMAN, the question of the YMM-YYZ route was put forth and he was roundly dismissed

In that thread, I stated that this wud need to be based on a charter basis, however, Syncrude/Suncor have committed to ensuring these flights are full, or near capacity, it wouldn't suprise me to see these flights move to an A320/A319.
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting CXH (Reply 28):
I agree, it looks like there may be an "unscheduled" equipment change at YYZ in order to rotate the aircraft occasionally.



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 24):
You missed my point. Unless another E90 meets this E90 at YYT, I don't see how AC will rotate E90's onto this route, other than "unscheduled" equipment changes at YYZ which will only serve to annoy the YMM-YYT pax.

Still no sign of an extra E90 sortie even on a weekend. There is an E75 into YYT listed on Saturdays. Maybe the same E90 will operate the route for long streches with the odd YYT-YHZ E90 sub maybe once a month on weekends. Who knows though, since AC's summer sked isn't 100% finalized yet. Maybe someone in YMM could do regular Fin # spotting for us this summer.  Smile

I'd love to see AC rotate that E90 with a YOW-YYT route. Such a route will happen eventually, but if were summer 2006, I think it would have be announced already.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:21 am

There are many ways to spell an aircraft in those circumstances. You can run another E-90 up from Edmonton, for example, the YUL-YEG plane could go up in place of a CRJ, and then take over the circuit while the plane coming off goes down to YEG and flies into YUL or YYZ for maintenance. Or, if loads are strong, the E-90 could swap with a 319 or 320 in YYT, then come back through Halifax to YUL. AC has four early morning departures at YYT, so swaps aren't difficult to engineer.
 
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RE: AC Announces YMM-YYZ-YYT & Other Sked Changes

Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:09 pm

TIMEAIR,

In the thread I refered back to on this topic previously:

Quoting Hrhf1 (Reply 8):
RE: Any Chance Of AC YYZ-Ft McMurray?

you stated:

"A sked service would never work, as mentioned before, the majority of traffic/connecting traffic is from SK/AB and BC.
I think the CR7 would be a more likely scenario than an E190, although the 190 would be nice."

Now a SCHEDULED E190 is being used on YMM-YYZ and seem to be defending your original position as correct.

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 36):
, Syncrude/Suncor have committed to ensuring these flights are full, or near capacity, it wouldn't suprise me to see these flights move to an A320/A319.

Where does this information come from? I would think that if Syncrude/Suncor were willing to "guarantee" full flights to AC on what is soon to be a daily basis, they have enough business to charter an aircraft or two to suit their needs much better.

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