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Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:49 pm

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...KOC_0_US-SECURITY-LASER.xml&rpc=22


NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New Jersey man was sentenced to two years probation on Friday after he pleaded guilty to interfering with pilots of an aircraft by shining a hand-held laser into the cockpit of a private jet...


...U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said he had not opposed the defense's request for a sentence that did not include prison time.

"At no time did we believe that Mr. Banach was involved in terrorism or that he should face a maximum penalty of 20 years in a federal prison," Christie said in a statement.



I think that this is stupid, that they guy gets off with little more than a slap on the wrist. What kind of a message does this send to the other idiots that are out there doing this? They should have used this to set an example and slammed the guy with jail time (not 20 years though).
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:23 pm

Agreed. Now it justs seems like if it ain't terrorism then it pretty much is ok.


Weren't there recent reports of pilots being interfered by laser beams while on approach to DTW? Even more reason to make someone an example!
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:08 pm

I live near TEB, so I am more concerned than most over this idiot's acts. While not intentionally acting to create havoc, he will pay in many ways. He has lost his job and will have difficulty in getting any other decent one for a long time, will have a criminal record for the rest of his life, probably lost a chunk of money for lawyers and ticked off a lot of people. Still, it would have been better for this guy to get some jail time to get the point accross of the critical danger these devices present.
There has been a proliferation of laser devices including for household use (home decorating and renovations), surveying, measuring, presentation pens and so on so there will continue to be a increasing risk of these devices. Of course, there is the legitment fear of intentionally harmful acts from these devices by NIMBY's going too far in their protest as to nearby airports and of acts of potential terror to cause airline crashes.
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Thread starter):
I think that this is stupid, that they guy gets off with little more than a slap on the wrist. What kind of a message does this send to the other idiots that are out there doing this? They should have used this to set an example and slammed the guy with jail time (not 20 years though).

Bingo!

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
Still, it would have been better for this guy to get some jail time to get the point accross of the critical danger these devices present.

This definitely deserves jail! ("do no pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail")

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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Mika (Reply 1):
Weren't there recent reports of pilots being interfered by laser beams while on approach to DTW? Even more reason to make someone an example!

exactly. clowns will continue to do this kind of thing, until they are faced with real jail time
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:52 am

He should have been charged with attempted murder, as that's exactly what it is.

Something I have very strong feelings about. This laser crap is nothing less than an attempt to bring down an aircraft and kill the occupants.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:27 am

As someone who flies in and out of TEB more than I care to admit to, the outcome of this case is more alarming than anything. It's a slap in the face to the many professional aviators who use this airport safely, hundreds of times a day. It's a challenging enough environment, particularly on departure, without idiots like this risking passengers, flight crews and people on the ground alike. To suggest his actions were not terrorist related completely misses the point as to his true intent, which was to harm and possibly murder others. He better pray our paths never cross.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 5):
He should have been charged with attempted murder, as that's exactly what it is

I don't think it is attempted murder...if anything happened, maybe manslaughter, but it was proven he did not purposely attempt to kill occupants, and that is the definition of attempted murder, FYI...at least according to American law, where the incident occured

While I agree it was bad what he did, and I am for sure not defending him, it would be worse for his three little girls to grow up without a father if he did get sentenced to 20 years in jail. Since none of us know the ins and outs of this case, I don't believe anyone of us should say how horrible of a person this guy is.
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Thread starter):
They should have used this to set an example and slammed the guy with jail time (not 20 years though).

He's an idiot that has a very childish sense of humor, but he doesn't deserve jail time at all. I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved - a slap on the wrists.

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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 8):
I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved - a slap on the wrists.


You can't be serious. You don't point a laser at a flight crew for sh1ts and giggles. The intent to harm was there, if you're just fooling around, you point a flashlight.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:29 pm

It all depends on the type of laser. If it was just a Class I laser pointer, then there was no real danger to the crew and pax and the sentence was appropriate. If it was a higher power Class IIIb laser, he should be sentenced to death as either a terrorist, or to improve the gene pool.
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:43 pm

I would go for 10 days plus 2 years probation. Even 10 days in jail would set this guy straight if he was truly just a moron, and let others know that you are potentially subject to a "prison hazing" if you try this sort of thing.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 5):
He should have been charged with attempted murder, as that's exactly what it is.

Something I have very strong feelings about. This laser crap is nothing less than an attempt to bring down an aircraft and kill the occupants.

Oh please! Isnt this a little melodramatic?  Yeah sure Although his sentence was rather light the guy got what he deserved and then some. I'm sure he had no intention of sabatoge other than annoying the pilots. I guarantee he wont do it again.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:29 pm

This guy's intent was malicious, pure and simple. First of all, the airport has recently been embroiled in a battle with several nimbys regarding safety and the feasibility of closing the airport. Second, with the recent well publicized laser events against airlines in SLC and LAS, I find it hard to believe that he thought he was being unique. His timing was too obvious.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:07 pm

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 9):

You can't be serious. You don't point a laser at a flight crew for sh1ts and giggles. The intent to harm was there, if you're just fooling around, you point a flashlight.

Most flashlights wouldn't reach up to an aircraft and it wouldn't be very noticeable to pilots if it did. Not annoying. A laser pointer does annoy the pilots. I doubt this husband and father of three from Jersey is a terrorist, and the US Attorney agrees with me.

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 13):
This guy's intent was malicious, pure and simple.

Give me a break! The guy pointed a laser at a plane to see if he could piss of a pilot, not to see if he could bring down a Lear Jet. Thank God cooler heads prevaled.

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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:13 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 8):
I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved -

Bull, if he had no idea of the danger that it posed why did he blame it on his daughters?

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 10):
It all depends on the type of laser. If it was just a Class I laser pointer, then there was no real danger to the crew and pax and the sentence was appropriate. If it was a higher power Class IIIb laser, he should be sentenced to death as either a terrorist, or to improve the gene pool.

It was more than a laser pointer, it was a green laser so that would lead me to believe that it was a Class IIIb laser

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 14):
Give me a break! The guy pointed a laser at a plane to see if he could piss of a pilot,

That would be malicious, sport. Do you really think it is a good idea to piss off a pilot while he is on approach anyway?
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:22 pm

So what are you saying? That when pilots get pissed off, they ususally crash their planes? Pilots get pissed off every day and don't crash their planes. If it was his intention to piss off the pilot, it can not be assumed, therefore, that his intention was to down the plane.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 16):
So what are you saying? That when pilots get pissed off, they ususally crash their planes? Pilots get pissed off every day and don't crash their planes.

Noooo.... I am saying that when I am on approach i really don't like to be distracted and I would assume that this is a common trait amongst pilots (hence the sterile cockpit rule)
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 14):
I doubt this husband and father of three from Jersey is a terrorist, and the US Attorney agrees with me.

Does one have to be a terrorist to be a danger to others? Of course not. We send people who drive drunk to jail because their presence on the road is a danger to others on the road, whether it is their intent to be a danger to others or not. This guy was a danger to planes in the sky, and the people on board those planes. Perhaps before 9/11 it could have been understandable that he didn't know better, but not after. He was trying to screw with the pilots, and he knew it. If he had been on the plane and tried to screw with the pilots, he would have been thrown in jail (and we wouldn't hear a word of protest from anyone). Why does the fact that he was on the ground change things?

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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 8):
He's an idiot that has a very childish sense of humor, but he doesn't deserve jail time at all. I'm sure he had no idea the danger this posed and he got what he deserved - a slap on the wrists.

Don't agree with your analysis.

Interfering with the sight of someone operating a machine that needs to be operated correctly to avoid injury or loss of life is potentially extremely dangerous. I think a brief custodial sentence should be given in these cases in order to send out the message that this behaviour is quite unacceptable. Why wait until someone is killed?

Interference with high power lasers able to damage eyesight, should, I think, attract a sentence commensurate with those given for offences involving serious physical harm to another.

The fact that someone (aware that he is doing wrong) has not contemplated the potential consequences of his wrongdoing does not excuse his wrongdoing.
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):
While I agree it was bad what he did, and I am for sure not defending him, it would be worse for his three little girls to grow up without a father if he did get sentenced to 20 years in jail.

And if he did bring the plane down, what about the pilot's and FO's kids???
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting L1329ii (Reply 12):
I'm sure he had no intention of sabatoge other than annoying the pilots. I guarantee he wont do it again.

How the hell do you know this, through an interview, or simple mind reading technique??
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 15):

Bull, if he had no idea of the danger that it posed why did he blame it on his daughters?

Hindsight is 20/20.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 15):

That would be malicious, sport. Do you really think it is a good idea to piss off a pilot while he is on approach anyway?

No it's not a good idea. But he was firing a laser pointer, not a rocket. I'm assuming we're talking about the laser pointers people use at assemblies and speeches. If it's a more powerful version, I might have to reconsider my thinking.

Quoting Art (Reply 19):
I think a brief custodial sentence should be given in these cases in order to send out the message that this behaviour is quite unacceptable.

The message was sent out with this punishment.

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 20):

And if he did bring the plane down, what about the pilot's and FO's kids???

But he didn't, so that's irrelevant.

Quoting D950 (Reply 21):

How the hell do you know this, through an interview, or simple mind reading technique??

Why are you assuming that his intention was to kill someone?

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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:50 am

He tried to make a seven year old girl take the fall for his asinine and dangerous behaviour? Some father. Maybe his three daughters would be better off if he WAS sent to jail for twenty years.
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 20):
And if he did bring the plane down, what about the pilot's and FO's kids???

Than this would be a COMPLETELY different story. If people had died from this, than he would in fact be justified being charged with multiple counts of manslaughter at the least. But...no one did. This was a possibly deadly situation, but in the end wasn't. No one loses a parent, child, husband, wife, etc. Was he right in doing this? NO. But I personally believe he got what he deserved, no more, no less.
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 22):
No it's not a good idea. But he was firing a laser pointer, not a rocket. I'm assuming we're talking about the laser pointers people use at assemblies and speeches. If it's a more powerful version, I might have to reconsider my thinking.

Well than start reconsidering as it has been pointed out multiple times in this thread as well as in the news articles that it was more.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 24):
This was a possibly deadly situation, but in the end wasn't.

That is just due to luck and redundancy, next time the result might not be as good. I would rather show that the court isnt willing to play in instances like this.
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 25):
Well than start reconsidering as it has been pointed out multiple times in this thread as well as in the news articles that it was more.

Where? The below quote doesn't count as it appears to be speculation.

Quoting Art (Reply 19):
Interference with high power lasers able to damage eyesight, should, I think, attract a sentence commensurate with those given for offences involving serious physical harm to another.

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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:03 pm

How would you like to be a pilot in the cockpit having a laser shined in your eyes and ruin your eyesight like what has happened in some of these cases? Whoever this was should of gotten 6 months in jail if you ask me.
 
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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:28 pm

First this guy does what he did, then he got cute and did it again. When caught, he blames his daughter. Even if the little girl did it, he's still responsible.

I'm 39 yrs old myself; I cannot imagine doing this, getting caught, then blaming a seven year old girl. A daughter nonetheless. I feel sorry for his kids ...

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RE: Guy Who Shined Laser At TEB Gets Probation

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting Mika (Reply 1):
Agreed. Now it justs seems like if it ain't terrorism then it pretty much is ok



Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 4):
clowns will continue to do this kind of thing, until they are faced with real jail time

Bingo, and Bingo! He should've been charged with interfering with a flight crew, and criminal mischief. To blame his daughter shows that she's the mature of the two! Some don't see the danger here. There was a B-1900 crew on aproach to CLE hit by a laser, and the FO on that flight was affected by temporary loss of sight, seeing spots, and continued migrain headaches. He is at risk of loosing his Medical. I don't know about you all, but if I lost my Medical due to some jackass "goofing off", and he just got probation, I might need to be locked up for assault at the very least!
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