CHI787ORD
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AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:37 am

I was just wondering.... how has AA's ORD-DEL flight been doing now that it is in the off-season? What are the different cabin numbers?

Is the route operating profitably?
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
I was just wondering.... how has AA's ORD-DEL flight been doing now that it is in the off-season? What are the different cabin numbers?

From what I've heard, the flight is still hanging on quite well, with good loads in premium cabins and usually quite full in the back, although apparently it tapers off a bit during the middle of the week (as is to be expected).

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
Is the route operating profitably?

With the loads the flight is apparently getting (especially in F and J) I would be quite surprised if it wasn't profitable.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
Is the route operating profitably?

They had announced deals of $769 for ORD-DEL and upto $999 for other other cities from US to DEL. I would think this deep discounting is driven by poor loads in economy during off season.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:41 am

They need to build up a good travel agent/consilidator base. I was shopping around for a SEA-BLR ticket and must have called up close to 10 different agents, and not one of them offered me AA/CO options. I wouldn't have looked at that option anyway as there is a overnight halt at DEL, with these flights reaching DEL by 9:30-10pm, and next earliest flight to BLR is at next day 6:45am. However, I was surprised that no agent mentioned these airlines at all.

The fares on their website till DEL is good, but it doesn't show up fares for other cities beyond DEL. NW for e.g. shows fares beyond BOM/DEL/HYD for flights by Jet/Sahara. CO and AA need to do the same.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):

They had announced deals of $769 for ORD-DEL and upto $999 for other other cities from US to DEL. I would think this deep discounting is driven by poor loads in economy during off season.

they always do that, regardless of amount of pax.......its basically a seasonal thing........

I see air carriers such as PK doing the same thing, even though their flights go full (in fact, PK has kept is 2x/weekly ORD-MAN-ISB-KHI) service, where it usually cuts it to 1x/weekly during the winter season....

I've heard good things about that route...but as mentioned above, they need to do a better job with connections...
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
they always do that, regardless of amount of pax.......its basically a seasonal thing........

I don't get it. Why would they discount if the loads are high? I assume the loads are high because of the discounting.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:41 am

As AI gets more 777's, we'll probably start seeing more them here in the US.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):

I don't get it. Why would they discount if the loads are high? I assume the loads are high because of the discounting.

its always like that on a seasonal basis because in this situation, its just as cheap to fly via Europe.....so to keep the route competitive, they'll lower the price down.

I can fly from ODRD-LHR for $450 including taxes.......and then LHR-DEL for $650 including taxes.....

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):

They had announced deals of $769 for ORD-DEL and upto $999 for other other cities from US to DEL. I would think this deep discounting is driven by poor loads in economy during off season.

not to mention, that price doesn't include taxes/fees and it doesn't come up all the time, try going to AA.com and looking at it, even with flexible dates...

I use AA.com everyday to check for flights, and ORD-DEL is one my "Net SAAver Alerts"...doesn't come up all of the time...
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
I use AA.com everyday to check for flights, and ORD-DEL is one my "Net SAAver Alerts"...doesn't come up all of the time...

I was about to say the same thing - I've got DEL loaded in my NetSAAver bank, and it hasn't come up yet. The $290 tickets to Dublin were great, though...  Smile

American seems to be doing a decent job marketing to the local Indian community here in Chicago, even if the flight isn't great for connections. They've got two big "Hello Delhi!" billboards at each end of Devon Avenue, which is the heart of the Indo-Pak community in Chicago.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
not to mention, that price doesn't include taxes/fees and it doesn't come up all the time, try going to AA.com and looking at it, even with flexible dates...

I use AA.com everyday to check for flights, and ORD-DEL is one my "Net SAAver Alerts"...doesn't come up all of the time...

Thanks for your explanation.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 8):
American seems to be doing a decent job marketing to the local Indian community here in Chicago, even if the flight isn't great for connections. They've got two big "Hello Delhi!" billboards at each end of Devon Avenue, which is the heart of the Indo-Pak community in Chicago.

Interestingly enough, I wrote a general email to AA about putting up ads up there, and within a week, the director of advertising from AA sent me a nice email thanking me for my recommendations about the billboard ads on Devon Ave......... Smile

Here in SJC-area, I've already gotten a few people to fly SJC/SFO-ORD-DEL...they had no clue about it it.....

maybe AA should give me some booking bounus.. biggrin 

p.s.-unfortunately, I didn't have the time to take that DUB flight for so cheap........ Sad

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 9):
Thanks for your explanation.

U're welcome. Smile
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):
I don't get it. Why would they discount if the loads are high? I assume the loads are high because of the discounting.

A couple of reasons, and I see that Jacobin777 has an answer as well:

1/ It's all about marketing. Get the AA name in front of the public as a "potential" discounter, and a certain segment of the market thinks of AA in that space...whether it's available or not is irrelevant.

2/ They will not discount much of the inventory if the route is doing well, just like seat allocation for Frequent Flier seats. They do have some, albeit a token amount. However, they can still say they have this price/service "offered". It works well using the ole bait and switch technique.
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:13 am

Is the DEL flight daily???? And also are there any new routes/ destinations in the works for AA in 2006????

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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
Here in SJC-area, I've already gotten a few people to fly SJC/SFO-ORD-DEL...they had no clue about it it.....

I feel that AA is missing a window of opportunity since there are no direct flights to India from the Bay Area. Promoting one-stop via Chicago would be an attractive option, I would think, from both San Jose and San Francisco.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
Is the DEL flight daily???? And also are there any new routes/ destinations in the works for AA in 2006????

AA1818

yup..daily flight, and AA will be starting ORD-PVG (nonstop) in April of this year.....
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:29 am

Do the flights ever have to make a fuel stop?

Would a 330 be able to mke the tripo both ways withou a fuel stop?
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:13 am

The word on the line I'm hearing from my co-workers who are based in ORD is that the flight has exceeded all expectations, and AA would love to expand further with more flights to India. It's difficult to book a seat in First or Business because it's always so full, from what I've heard from AAdvantage members.
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 16):
The word on the line I'm hearing from my co-workers who are based in ORD is that the flight has exceeded all expectations, and AA would love to expand further with more flights to India.

Do they have any aircraft available that can make it to BOM non-stop from ORD?
 
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RE: AA ORD-DEL

Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 13):
I feel that AA is missing a window of opportunity since there are no direct flights to India from the Bay Area. Promoting one-stop via Chicago would be an attractive option, I would think, from both San Jose and San Francisco.

I agree, in fact, I think AA should try to expand to India from the West Coast also.......but they won't do it, which is a shame because there is a HUGE market for it!!

another problem that AA has is the lack of 777's to add more flights (even with the additional 777's coming on board), also, they are adding ORD-PVG, which will take up a couple of 777s

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 17):

Do they have any aircraft available that can make it to BOM non-stop from ORD?

some say that AA's 777's can't do it without penalties, given that CO's 777's (which I've read somewhere have higher MTOW than AA's 777's) is restricted at times from flying EWR-HKG (which is the exact same distance from ORD-BOM), it would be difficult for AA to do it on profitable basis...

AI, with their new 777-200LR's shouldn't have this problem one bit...but I don't know if they ordered their 777-200LR's with the extra-auxiliary tank(s) to fly the extra distance
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