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Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:29 pm

Just weeks after announcing that it would not be launching the CSeries small airliner, Bombardier is at Asian Aerospace with a full-size mock-up of the cabin… for the CSeries.

http://flightinternational.com/Artic...e2%80%99+demise+are+premature.html

[Edited 2006-02-22 14:31:27]
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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:56 pm

I think the Cseries is done for now. Bombardier has clearly said that the because of the present market conditions, it will not launch the Cseries at this time.

Bombardier has also recalled some of it employees to work on the re-launched CRJ200/Challenger 850 model jets.

From Bombardier.com

"The majority of the CSeries employees will be redirected to the development of these regional aircraft opportunities. A small team of employees will remain with the CSeries program to further develop its business plan, with emphasis on including other partners, particularly in fast-growing major aerospace markets.

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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:57 am

KrisYYZ, did you even read the article?

CSeries is very much alive, albeit with a reduced size team at Bombardier, according to Benjaman Boehm, director, programme management office, New Commercial Aircraft Programme, speaking at Asian Aerospace yesterday (pictured above).

“The world misconstrued it as being on hold,” he said. “The project was never put on hold, but remains out there for the world to progress it. The company still believes in the market.


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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting YVRtoYYZ (Reply 2):
“The world misconstrued it as being on hold,” he said. “The project was never put on hold, but remains out there for the world to progress it. The company still believes in the market.

In English, this means "We will continue to pour money into this sinkhole until we get our butts handed to us by Embraer and the Sukhoi/Boeing/Finmeccanica RRJ consortium on the low end, and Boeing and Airbus on the high end."
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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
In English, this means "We will continue to pour money into this sinkhole until we get our butts handed to us by Embraer and the Sukhoi/Boeing/Finmeccanica RRJ consortium on the low end, and Boeing and Airbus on the high end."

That exact quote has been said before on various other threads.

While I do believe that the program ha missed a significant aspect of marketshare with the introduction of E170s and E190s (the C-Series primary competitor), BBD either has to get their production line in gear and start producing this aircraft to make up for lost time and efforts or completely shelve the program. The unclear and mixed-message that BBD management is giving to the public and to customers does not instill confidence in their corporation.

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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:37 am

Well, perhaps BBD can make some money with just mockups. You know, take the C-series mockup to all those aerospace shows and charge a few bucks for a ride.
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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting YVRtoYYZ (Reply 2):
KrisYYZ, did you even read the article?

yes I read it, that's why I said:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
I think the Cseries is done for now. Bombardier has clearly said that the because of the present market conditions, it will not launch the Cseries at this time.

I said its done for now, not forever. I doubt Bombardier could launch a new plane with 50 people working in on it and $20M budget in a year.

I think this is all PR to make Bombardier seem like its still in the market for 100+ regional jets with the Cseries, which its obviously not, or it wouldn't be diverting 300 staff and $100M away from the program.

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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting YVRtoYYZ (Reply 4):
While I do believe that the program ha missed a significant aspect of marketshare with the introduction of E170s and E190s (the C-Series primary competitor),

Read again ...

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
Embraer and the Sukhoi/Boeing/Finmeccanica RRJ consortium on the low end, and Boeing and Airbus on the high end."

The CSeries will also be locked out of China.

Quoting YVRtoYYZ (Reply 4):
BBD either has to get their production line in gear and start producing this aircraft to make up for lost time and efforts or completely shelve the program.

BBD's posturing is just for the markets... they have no other choice. If they "formally" cancel the CSeries, they are then announcing that they will be out of the commercial jet business in the future. On the other hand, with no orders and an incomplete lineup of risk sharing partners, they obviously cannot proceed with production.

Quoting YVRtoYYZ (Reply 4):
The unclear and mixed-message that BBD management is giving to the public and to customers does not instill confidence in their corporation.

This aspect hasn't changed ever since they cancelled the BRJ-X. That is partly why the stock has stayed so low for the past couple of years... investors see no upside.
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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:25 am

Well, then... bring on the CRJ900X!  stirthepot 

Isn't BBD showing off a CRJ900 with new house colours and a 75-seat two-class config with PTVs (AC Jazz-ish looking...)? Any "hot" customers in Asia?
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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 8):
Well, then... bring on the CRJ900X!

Stir away, stir away!

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 8):
Any "hot" customers in Asia?

The 900X (if it does go ahead) will be marketed at the same time as the RRJ. So, if the 900X doesn't lose out to the E175/190 option, it will lose out to the RRJ in Asia.
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RE: Bombardier: Reports Of CSeries Demise Premature

Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:03 am

This article was in the paper today:

**Bombardier in talks to get parts from China**

SINGAPORE - Bombardier Inc. said Tuesday it's in talks with China Aviation Industry Corp. to produce parts for a new, larger jet, three weeks after the world's third largest aircraft manufacturer cancelled a $2.1 billion US airliner program.

AVIC I, China's biggest aircraft maker, would make "some major components" for the proposed C Series plane if it is revived, Benjamin Boehm, Montreal-based Bombardier's commercial-plane program director, said in Singapore.

Bombardier Jan. 31 shelved plans to develop a new line of jets seating 110 to 130 passengers because it failed to sign up any airline customers. The program might resume next year, the company has said.

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