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Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:29 am

According to Reforma newspaper, Ryan Air is to anounce a joint venture with Mexican bus company Autotransportes Mexicanos (IAMSA) to set up yet another new low cost carrier in Mexico (sorry, link in Spanish):

http://www.reforma.com/negocios/articulo/621963/

The new carrier's presentation will take place in Mexico City on Feb 27th.

Looks like I'm the only one not setting up a new LoCo in Mexico this year...
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:32 am

Ryanair, as in the Irish airline, or Ryan International?

The article doesn't load unless you sign-in.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
Ryanair, as in the Irish airline, or Ryan International?

RyanAir, the Irish low cost airline. (The article states "RyanAir, the Irish airline). Unfortunately it's for subscribers only, but it doesn't give much additional information, other than Robert Ryan will be here for the presentation.
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 2):
RyanAir, the Irish low cost airline.

Intriguing.

Any more info?
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 2):
it doesn't give much additional information, other than Robert Ryan will be here for the presentation.

Who's Robert Ryan ?

Whoever he is, I don't see Michael O'Leary's Ryanair doing anything like this.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:57 am

I think the journalist might be getting confused between the american and irish 'ryan' airlines
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:01 am

I dont think Robert is one of the original Ryan brothers (and they're dad) who was involved in setting up Ryanair in 1984. In fact I dont think he's the same family - it was just Declan and Shane and Tony.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:14 am

I have already written the journalist to ask for more info as I also believe there is a confusion with similar names.

I will keep you informed.

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:19 am

Loco is right. The Mexican market is starting to be saturated with entrants.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:27 am

Huh? WTF! This is VERY CONFUSING!!!!! Apart from this new LoCo carrier setting up STILL, THREE more coming, plus GolMex and Alma which this last one has recently selected GDL as it's airport base and CRJ-200s as it's main equipments!!!

Where will this RyanAir thing base? TLC? MTY? GDL?!!!

What's going on in here!!! Whatever this is, REALLY GREAT NEWS!!! Investments are good for the economy and the country.

If no-one ever before invested before I think it mainly was the government protection and a complicated scenery of competition with MX and AM mainly. But now, with CINTRA's sale and a whole aviation industry wide open for new competitors everyone seeks for a piece of the cake.

Keep them coming!!! Hopefully they choose B737NGs!!! No more Airbus please!!! Enough with the +90 so far projected for Volaris and Interjet....!!!

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting JoseMEX (Thread starter):
Ryan Air is to anounce a joint venture with Mexican bus company Autotransportes

Isn't the bus company shooting itselves in the foot? Cheaper air tickets means they would lose customers.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 10):
Isn't the bus company shooting itselves in the foot? Cheaper air tickets means they would lose customers.

Not if it's an airport-city bus service. The increase in passengers at the airport would mean more customers on the buses.
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:52 am

The journalist confirmed it is Ryanair from Irland. He sent me Anthony Ryan's resume. He is the one who will be in Mexico City next Feb 27th.



T. Anthony Ryan has served as a Director of Ryanair Holdings since July 2, 1996 and as a Director of Ryanair Limited since April 12, 1995. Dr. Ryan served as Chairman of the Board of Ryanair Holdings from August 23, 1996 until December 1996 and as Chairman of the Board of Ryanair Limited from January 1996 until December 1996. Dr. Ryan was one of the founders in 1975 of GPA Group plc ("GPA"), an operating lessor of commercial aircraft, and served as Chairman of GPA from 1985 to 1993. Following a restructuring of GPA involving General Electric Capital Corporation ("GECC") in 1993, Dr. Ryan served as Executive Chairman of, and subsequently as a consultant to, GE Capital Aviation Services, Limited, a company established by GECC to manage the aircraft assets of GPA, from 1993 to 1996.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
Alma which this last one has recently selected GDL as it's airport base and CRJ-200s as it's main equipments!!!

Independence Air  silly 

Well sounds interesting. Didnt GOL say they were making a mexican LCC? Wonder if FR will make it down there, alot of carriers have been popping up lately.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:00 am

Not the first time the Ryan family have expanded their taste for aviation to exotic parts.

Tony Ryan is a backer of Tiger Airways based in Singapore owning 16% of the airline.


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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:01 am

Interesting!!! Ryanair from Ireland! What is that market or things all new LoCo's in the Mexican market are seeing that we don't??!! Why so many interest now!!

Is Mexico finally having it's China and India moment??!!

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:02 am

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:03 am

Wow another LCC for Mexico. What number is this???  biggrin  Its good to see Mexico get attention for investment in airlines. But how many airlines can Mexico handle?? Some how it feels like its starting to get saturated even if some of the airlines have yet to take off or have large fleets. Time will tell who goes and who will stay.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
Keep them coming!!! Hopefully they choose B737NGs!!! No more Airbus please!!! Enough with the +90 so far projected for Volaris and Interjet....!!!

I hope so too. I bet they will be 738s.  silly 
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 17):
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
Keep them coming!!! Hopefully they choose B737NGs!!! No more Airbus please!!! Enough with the +90 so far projected for Volaris and Interjet....!!!

I hope so too. I bet they will be 738s.

Its not that we hate Airbus I do like Airbus I enjoy those flights of MX to MEX on them. But after seeing them for a while you kind of get tired of them.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting Edelag (Reply 18):
Its not that we hate Airbus I do like Airbus I enjoy those flights of MX to MEX on them. But after seeing them for a while you kind of get tired of them.

Exactly!! We will have enough of airbus in Mexico for single aisle airplanes. We need more Boeing. The Airbus that we need in Mexico are the widebodies.  biggrin 
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:38 pm

I read this in another forum!

Company name: Aeroenlaces Nacionales S.A de C.V. Will launch flights with 3 A320s plus 10 A320s more by 2007 based @ GDL.

Sadly for me, one more lost for Boeing!!! If all t his true, with Interjet, Volaris and Aeroenlaces it's now over +100 Airbus 320s for Mexico!!!! Add to that Mexicana plus all orders to follow...!!!

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:10 pm

This is actually not Ryaniar, but a bunch or FR folks setting something up in Mexico. The company is Crescent Plane Consult. Some of their personnel were involved in Air Asia.

They are planning Q3 start-up (better get a move on), base selection is not complete (they are doing the rounds of the Mexican regions looking for government funding for the base), they will have 10 planes within 2 years. I know that they are planning OAX and VER service but they are after a 10 year deal from the airports.

The decision on which airport to use as a base should be complete by next month, so they say.

This comes direct from both the company and airports that have been approached.
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:34 pm

It doesn't matter if its the Irish Ryan or American Ryan. They will saturate the market. Airlines like Aerocalifornia who are struggling at this point won't know what to do to stay alive.

However, very interesting news......
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 20):
Company name: Aeroenlaces Nacionales S.A de C.V. Will launch flights with 3 A320s plus 10 A320s more by 2007 based @ GDL.

There is a bus company ETN "Enlaces Terrestres Nacionales" quietly strong on the Guadalajara market.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 11):

Ah, yeah i get it now. thanks  Smile
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:54 am

Confirmed! It will be Aeroenlaces Nacionales. I don't know but I really like the name! Finally something in Spanish and traditional, like all names we had back in the 70s!

They have chosen Boeing B737s over Airbus and Embraers, they will start with 5 frames!!!

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:22 am

Here's a short article from RTE (Ireland's Public Service Broadcaster) about the rumours.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0223/ryanair.html?rss

It basically says that FR have said that they have no involvement in any Mexican start-up airline.
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 17):
Some how it feels like its starting to get saturated even if some of the airlines



Quoting Juventus (Reply 22):
They will saturate the market

Friends,
Bear in mind that there were 63.3 millions pax in 2004 traveling by road using a Executive Bus services (First Class) whose rates are pretty similar to what a LCC can offer. So, may be they are after that HUGE market.

Example:
Round trip MTY-MEX
Bus (Ejecutivo Transporte del Norte): 1,590 pesos
Bus (AVE Senda): 1,630 pesos
Plane (ZE): 1,490 pesos
Plane (6A): 1,750 pesos
Plane (Interjet): 1,580 pesos

Not to mention Volaris introductory rates @ 250 pesos
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:37 am

I do like the part about them setting up in GDL, take some of the load off MEX and TLC.

I wonder how MX and AM are going to take these news? probably do some type of boycotting, appealing or something. Anyway, good luck to them....
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:06 pm

This project is headed by the former owner of BanCrecer, an Alcántara guy. It seems he is now the person in charge of the financing of the Madrazo presidential campaign. It does not seem to me like someone we want in the aviation industry.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 29):
It does not seem to me like someone we want in the aviation industry.

Want to know a little bit more about this Mr. Alcántara? This article (only in Spanish) give you a good idea about how he likes to do business. Not my personal favorite.

http://www.agencia-amex.com/index.ph...content&task=view&id=1537&Itemid=0
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:21 am

So far we have LCC based at:

MEX ............ Azteca
TLC ............ Interjet, Volaris
MTY ........... Aviacsa
GDL..............Aeroenlaces
TIJ.............. Vueling
CUN............ Gol


Anything else?

Still available VER, CUU, CJS, MID, and more...
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:35 am

Tony, Vueling is the Spanish low-cost carrier conceived by one of jetBlue's owners. The TIJ-based airline is A Volar.

Pedro, thanks for the interesting (and disgusting if true) read.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:59 am

Thanx for the data, Eddie.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:30 pm

Update - Tuesday 28 February 2006


RYANAIR FOUNDER CONFIRMS LOW-COST MEXICAN JOINT VENTURE

The founding family of low-cost European airline Ryanair confirmed yesterday that it is a key investor in a new no-frills Mexican airline to carry passengers to and from the US.

Ireland's Ryan family confirmed recent speculation that it has linked with Mexican bus firm IAMSA to form a budget carrier whose name has yet to be finalised.

The Ryans are reported to be taking a 49 per cent stake in the venture, which will target family travel between Mexico's major cities and various US airports, still to be finalised.

At a press conference in Mexico City Ryanair founder Dr Tony Ryan said that Mexico is "a fantastic opportunity for commercial aviation with excellent tourist, labour and business traffic potential that is largely untapped."

Mexican airlines carry roughly 30 million passengers per year, and the new airline anticipates carrying 1.5 million passengers in its first year.

The airline, reportedly to be named AeroBus, will begin flying in September with a pair of Boeing 737-300 aircraft.

The president of Mexican IAMSA, Roberto Alcantara, said that the new company would be formed with an initial $50 million investment, but with plans to expand its fleet to ten aircraft by 2007.

The low-cost carrier's routes are not yet confirmed, nor has the Mexican government given its final approval to the venture.



Source: Adfero Ltd

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:48 pm

Heard that Brazilian GOL is planning to set up some sort of Mexican subsidiary.
Is there some truth in it?
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:56 pm

Quoting Edelag (Reply 18):
Its not that we hate Airbus I do like Airbus I enjoy those flights of MX to MEX on them. But after seeing them for a while you kind of get tired of them.

The Airbus A320 was supposed to be the Volkswagen Beetle for Mexican aviation  Wink
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:02 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 36):
The Airbus A320 was supposed to be the Volkswagen Beetle for Mexican aviation

And the Germans were supposed to manufacture it.  hyper 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:11 am

There was an interview with IAMSA president last night. He said they were about to choose the base airport, that Toluca was the most likely, and that the new airline will be named "Viva Aerobus"
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 31):
So far we have LCC based at:

MEX ............ Azteca
TLC ............ Interjet, Volaris
MTY ........... Aviacsa
GDL..............Aeroenlaces
TIJ.............. Vueling
CUN............ Gol

Guess you forgot Click my friend. Also, Aviacsa is based out of MEX as well. Is Vueling the same as AVolar?

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 25):
Finally something in Spanish and traditional, like all names we had back in the 70s!

Sorry to disappoint you but I heard that the commercial name will be: Viva Aerobus!

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 39):
Aviacsa is based out of MEX as well

As far as I know, Aviacsa HQ, CEO, CFO and COO are based in MTY, more precisely in San Pedro Garza García

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 34):
The Ryans are reported to be taking a 49 per cent stake in the venture, which will target family travel between Mexico's major cities and various US airports, still to be finalised.

Mexico allows foreign ownership up to 49%?? I thought it was lower.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:27 pm

It only allows up to 25% of foreign ownership of voting stock. Foreign investors can obtain a favorable ruling from the Foreign Investment Commission authorizing the ownership of additional non-voting shares. I believe that, on a fully diluted basis, the Commission will agree on a number close to 49% (if I am not mistaken, Gol México will have 48.5% of foreign investment on a fully diluted basis, for example), so long as (i) the voting shares owned by the foreigners do not exceed 25% of the voting capital stock, and (ii) the foreign shareholders do not exert control over the shareholders' meetings with unreasonable minority rights or over the board of directors through the designation of a majority of the members or the ability to block major resolutions.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 42):
25% of foreign ownership of voting stock.

Thanks.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:27 am

Any bets as to who will be the first of these 7 or 8 new LCCs who will not survive.

This happened in the USA about 20 years ago and they are almost all gone except for South West.
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 44):
Any bets as to who will be the first of these 7 or 8 new LCCs who will not survive.

NAVEGA,
We can learn from history. The banking system privatization during late 1980's shows a similar patern. "Solid" industrial groups decided to venture into the banking industry buying bank assets and licenses sold by the government. They were thought to really develop the banking industry in the country. Mexico's tycoons were into it. However, most of them had ZERO experiencie in banking. Results: Some of those banks went into bankrupcy and their obligations were payed by taxpayers through Fobaproa.

I can see a very similiar plot now. Slim, Alemán, Aspe, Azcárraga, Alcántara, Chico Pardo all are tycoons whose current business are nothing less than highly succesful. However, who really knows about the industry? If foreign partners (Gol, TACA or Dr Ryan) are unable to exercise some power in their Boards, there is no guarantee that their experience might be followed.

I know Guillermo Heredia was a former AM officer and that Alemán family partly owned AM (years ago). However, the only true LCC-experienced is Gol.

I am not wishing them wrong. I am just pointing out similarites between two huge break-through moments in two very difficult industries.
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:13 am

I think we don’t have to be pessimistic; all we have to do is wait and see how the market will adjust in the following months with all this flood of new carriers, seats, routes, current options, fares and competitors.

In the early 90s we kind of had a similar background, several carriers and capacity considering all the fleets and airlines was huge, perhaps, I might dare to say it was similar to what we have today considering the passengers flown 10 years ago to now the difference is close to none. A strong 18 widebody fleet of A300s, A310s, Dc10s, B767s and many B757s with Mexican were common stuff seen, not to mention MX 727s which by far had more capacity to what we now see on some routes were the A320s and A319s flown and even worse when they get the A318s. A loss for the city but sure MX has to seek for its profitability and subsistence in the industry.

We first have to see what will be the strategy to follow by the current competitors. IMHO and will al respect, JR is a dead Dino, by mid 90s we had a merger, now the 3rd largest carrier in the country, same carrier which will need to do something FAST! If I were Morales, I would start having meetings and conversations with Rodríguez, it’s fleet renewal coming soon will not be enough to renew fast it’s whole fleet which is badly needed in order to reduce fuel cost and offer lower fares. 6A needs only of a 35% LF to make money imagine what will be if they decide to reduce costs with B737-3/4/5s and merge and grow with ZE at MEX and TLC taking advantage of ZE’s big space at TLC which means no block from CFC as opposed to Click and Aerolitoral which have been restricted….

Magnicharters will face trouble too! They also need urgently a fleet renovation and perhaps not fully merge, but they perhaps might be able to do something in cooperation with other charters, such as, Global Air, Nova Air, Republic Air and AeroTropical if they ever one of these days start operations., or at least, if I were the owner of one of these small carriers I would be very scared, I would certainly seek for an agreement with Magnicharters.

AeroMar is another Dino with its slow turboprop fleet. Nowadays everything is jets except them! MX will keep it’s codeshares but 5D codeshares are about to expire later this year and they are HIGHLY considering the possibility to end everything and give everything to 5D and be flown with EMB145/190s. The more time they take to bring at least an ATR72s or E135s/CRJ’s-200s they more they’ll loose.

MX and AM, are in the same path, the biggest carriers and still with the biggest market share for the moment, but still uncertain the time this will last. If I were MX or AM I would start attacking JR routes before new Loco’s get there. At the same time, they better ACT and START flights abroad ASAP just as all US majors are doing, expanding abroad or die in the domestic market which over capacity it’s at it’s best! Hopefully they don’t take to long as US majors did. Perhaps time to compete with US carriers more aggressively. Time to expand its long haul networks in order to feed its domestic flights. Make MEX the gateway to South America for immigrants in the US and vice versa!!! Offer good connections times and fares from US-MEX-Latam.

Clicks projected growth will certainly be stopped by almost all new Loco’s flying out from TLC. Interjet projects to reach a fleet of 30 planes which is something not far from reality. I think they will do ok, their main strategy no matter what they say it’s to compete directly with MEX… they will focus all in stealing passengers offering lower fares. If I were them, I would be afraid of Volaris based also at TLC and for some reason ordered 56 jets plus 4 ex-TA, at least they will fly 20 A319s but after its first 18 months of operation they are going international, this might reinforce its network. They are also offering connections at TLC something it seems IJ did not planned so well.

But I think, big winners, despite entering WAAAAAY LATE, will be GolMex and RyanMex. GOL is flying 10M pax only after 5 years of operations, perhaps a little more what AM moved in all its system last year, Ryan last year flew 35M pax, 10M more flown by ALL Mexican carriers in the domestic market, within the next 6 years they intend to fly 70M pax, almost two times the whole Mexican market. They have 96 active frames and 148 B738NGs pending for delivery, and want to hear the best part? They employ only 2700 people but with good salaries, must say that's a very reduced staff but good incomes! How many people does MX and AM staff? AM and 5D together fly 100 aircrafts but 25 million pax less! Add to that the experience of handling 260M pax by bus by IAMSA… they pretty know who and what their target is like, what Interjet, Volaris, Click and Avolar don’t know a thing! Those two carriers KNOW perfectly the formula to succeed.

At the same time, a good thing, is that many carriers in the US and Europe will have trouble to survive, still uncertain if a major is going down, NW recently announced they were returning 110 planes in fleet from CRJ’s to B747-400s, up to date, they have returned over +50 jets… HP and US merger will make ground +35 B737-300s on the HP side and perhaps some more from US, add to that the B737-200s retired from HP and WN. DL is returning B737-200/300/500s along with B757/767s and UA too cut 767 capacity. Leases and costs in the second hand market are going downwards; this will benefit a lot to those who are flying a B737og fleet to renew.

I think we should wait a little more…. for now, we better start enjoying the new low fares and options to fly!

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 40):
As far as I know, Aviacsa HQ, CEO, CFO and COO are based in MTY, more precisely in San Pedro Garza García

PZ

And most important; yours truly also live in San Peter.  Wink But I stand on my comment, operationally, Aviacsa is based also out of MEX.

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 45):
NAVEGA,
We can learn from history. The banking system privatization during late 1980's shows a similar patern. "Solid" industrial groups... .... .

Amen to that.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 46):
. 6A needs only of a 35% LF to make money imagine what will be if they decide to reduce costs with B737-3/4/5s and merge and grow with ZE at MEX and TLC taking advantage of ZE’s big space at TLC which means no block from CFC as opposed to Click and Aerolitoral which have been restricted….

Nice explaining though, but aiming for information accuracy, NONE of the US routes is a big money maker for Aviacsa, as the taxes and surcharges operating out of the airports it serves, plus the relatively cheap tickets are eating away the profits. So that magic 35% load factor you mention applies only to some domestic routes.

About the merger you are mentioning, none, but probably 6A-ZE could ever work. The redundancy on functions would be beyond control, fleet commonality, parts managment and training are some of the few reasons for I don't see that happening.

First 737-300 for 6A is due by the end of this month, with one arriving every 45 days for a total of 5 plus 3 options. These will be purchased, not leased. Interesting is that the only reason this operation could go six feet under is the interesting approach made by a manufacturer to locate several NTU frames in Aviacsa, which is also under consideration as we speak and as I said, could be the only reason to endanger the 733s addition.

Only one 727 is active plus one back up stored in TIJ. Both to be retired probably as the first set of 733 arrive.

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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:23 pm

So is this airline going to be called Aerobus or Aeroenlaces?

http://www.aeroenlaces.com/aeroenlaces/

They are looking for everything by the way. Pilots, F/As, Chief pilot, ground staff, etc...
 
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RE: Ryan Air To Set Up A New LoCo In Mexico

Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 31):
Still available VER, CUU, CJS, MID, and more...

Don't forget HMO!!! Big grin Although with AM's monopoly there really isn't that much more room.

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 39):
and that the new airline will be named "Viva Aerobus"

That sounds really corny...  yuck