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TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:06 am

Upon viewing many old photos and terminal maps of the old PIT terminal from the 1970's, I came to a conclusion that TWA had a sdecent size operation out of PIT back then. It appeared that they pretty much had the whole entire West Dock there, at the old terminal to themselves back in 1975 (which was built back in the early 70s). See map on this link: http://oldterminals.topcities.com/pittsburgh%20map%201975.jpg

What I am very courious about in terms of TWA's operations out PIT back in the 70's, is the particular routes that they served out of there. Also, was PIT considered a "Focus City" by TWA back then?
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:43 am

I don't have a TWA timetable for that time, but here's what United's June 13, 1975 timetable reports for them:

PIT 35 dailies

CAK 1x
ABE 1x
ATL 4x
CRW 2x
ORD 6x incl 1 747 and 1 DC-10; Both jumbos continued to LAX
CLE 5x
DTW 1x (DC-10 6 days, narrowbody 1 day) continued to SFO
TYS 1x
FLL 1x
MIA 2x (says 3x MIA with 2 to "M" and 1 to "F," I presume that means FLL)
MKE 1x
MSY 2x
ORF 1x
ROC 1x
TPA 2x
DCA 1x
YNG 3x
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:28 pm

Thanks alot DCA-ROCguy. Do you know of any websites that have any downloadable airline timetables, where I can get other info regarding the airline operations in PIT back then?
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
ORD 6x incl 1 747 and 1 DC-10; Both jumbos continued to LAX

It is simply unbelievable that there was at one time widebody service between PIT and ORD, compared to today where the largest aircraft that operates on that route is a 737-400 for USAirways. The flights between PIT and ORD today are often full despite the high frequency on this route between US, AA, and UA (a total of 15 flights a day on this route), and I imagine that a widebody could perhaps be practical even today on this route. Who knows?

Were these wide body flights to ORD operated on sort of a code share deal for TWA on behalf of United?
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:58 pm

I have a TW timetable from August 1, 1980 handy. (By this time they weren't listing A/C types, just boldfacing the jumbos.) Here's what it says:

PIT to:
BWI - 1 n/s daily
BOS - 3 n/s daily
BUF - 1 n/s
ORD - 2 n/s
CVG - 3 n/s
CMH - 3 n/s
DAY - 3 n/s (CVG, CMH, DAY departures all 10:00, 15:00, 19:00 banks)
DEN - 1 n/s
FLL - 1 n/s
RSW - 1 one stop via FLL
MDT - 1 n/s
BDL - 1 n/s
IND - 3 n/s (same pattern as CVG, CMH, DAY)
MCI - 5 one-stops
LAS - 1 n/s and 1 two-stop
LAX - 2 n/s and 1 one-stop. One n/s and the one-stop are L10.
SDF - 1 n/s
LGA - 4 n/s
EWR - 3 n/s
JFK - 1 n/s
OKC - 1 two-stop
MCO - 1 n/s, 1 one-stop
PHL - 3 n/s
PHX - 1 one-stop, 1 two-stop
PVD - 1 n/s
STL - 2 n/s (one an L10 continuing to LAX), 3 one-stops
SFO - 1 n/s, 1 two-stop
SYR - 1 n/s
ICT - 1 two-stop

The operation was mostly an Ohio Valley - Northeast 3-bank hub. Seems to me the West Coast saw more nonstops in the 1970s, and much more L10 service , but to find out would involve some seriously heavy lifting (TW is in the bottom crate, and it's 10 pm...)
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:13 pm

Thanks alot Norjet. It seems likely to me that USAir perhaps purchased alot of these route slots from TWA to significantly expand their PIT market back in the early 80's.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:22 pm

Did TWA serve BUF? I knew they served SYR during the '80s but I don't remember them ever being at BUF. ROC tried to get TWA in 1980, according to a Rochester Times-Union article I have from that time, but we never succeeded.

If TWA was at BUF, it's news to me. What did they list for BUF? Was the BUF flight perhaps a codeshare or something with US?

I don't know of any sites with downloadable timetables. There's a guy who's posting a whole 1983 OAG, and there's a site that shows timetable covers and route maps. Unfortunately I don't have links handy for either.

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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:07 pm

The TW PIT-BUF service appears to be extremely short-lived, I don't see anything in 1981 at all. TW was experimenting with a number of tag-on legs in 79-80 such as RFD-ORD, LAX-ONT, LAX-SAN, PSP-PHX, SJC-SFO, PIT-PVD, FLL-RSW. Because there's nothing more economical than flying 40 miles in a 727...

The Buffalo schedule was:

TW 181 BUF 08:20-PIT 09:11-FLL 12:22-RSW 13:32

TW 214 RSW 16:00-FLL 16:38-PIT 19:46-BUF 21:31

Wow, what awful utilization. Hour layovers in PIT, and 2:30 in Ft. Myers! I guess they could swap a/c at PIT... Those were also the only flights into RSW in this schedule. PVD was likewise a single trick, RON just like Buffalo - same connecting bank at PIT in fact.

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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:15 pm

PIT - TWA November 1975 OAG

BOS 3x
ORD 7x 1 707, 1 L-1011
CVG 2x
CMH 1x
DEN 1x
IND 3x
LAX 1x 1 707
LGA 7x
EWR 5x 1 707
JFK 1x
PHL 6x 2 707
STL 3x 2 707



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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:20 pm

TWA also operated PIT-LGW in the early 80's IIRC. They transferred that authority to STL-LGW when STL was built up into their hub.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:18 pm

If I recall correctly, they actually operated PIT-PHL-LHR with 707's back in the early '70's. When the PHL-LHR operation switched to L10's, I think the thru flight ended.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:37 am

I have a TWA Timetable from January 15, 1985. Heres what it has listed out of PIT...

Non-Stops:

JFK 1X
STL 4X

One-Stops:

LAS 2X
MXP 1X
OMA 1X
SAN 1X


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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
TWA also operated PIT-LGW in the early 80's IIRC. They transferred that authority to STL-LGW when STL was built up into their hub.

Very true. For a while TWA had several mini hub type operations across the middle of the country. (PIT, ORD, STL, MCI, DEN.....you could even count CMH to a certain extent which had a number of point to point flights) STL eventually became the sole mid continent hub sometime around 1984 IRC.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:48 am

Yeah, I know this is slightly off topic, but TWA also had a small operation out of ORD in 1985.

Non-Stops:

BOS 1X
CMH 3X
MCI 4X
LHR 1X
EWR 3X
LGA 2X
JFK 1X
PHL 1X
STL 8X

Total- 24 Daily

One-Stops:

AMS 1X
BOS 1X
LAX 1X
MIA 1X
LGA 1X
PSP 1X
SAN 1X
ICT 1X

Total- 8 Daily

Two-Stops:

BRU 1X
LAX 2X
ONT 1X

Total- 4 Daily

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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:53 am

I read somewhere on here that the US Airways hangar in PIT was originally TWA's.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:05 am

From a TWA 1976 schedule:

From PIT:

Boston (3x)
Chicago (all ORD) (6x) (1 was L-1011)
Denver (1x)
Indianapolis (3x)
Los Angeles (1x) (L-1011)
New York
-LGA (7x)
-EWR (5X)
-JFK (2x)
Philadelphia (7x)
St. Louis (3x)
San Francisco (1x)

I would say the PIT was a focus city for TWA back in the day.


[edit] those are all non-stops, at least 6 days a week.

[Edited 2006-02-24 19:07:50]
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 13):
Yeah, I know this is slightly off topic, but TWA also had a small operation out of ORD in 1985.

IIRC the operation out of ORD was considerable thru the 70's with TW/AA/UA competing heavily between ORD/LGA with most offering hourly (or close to it) from ORD. Seems that one of them had them on the half hour and the other 2 on the hour or vice-versa. I remember headed to LGA in 78 or 70 for a Rangers game..my flight was delayed due to weather in DEN, agent put me on the next available and as we pushed back the flight from DEN pulled into the gate adjacent. Oh, made it in time for the drop of the puck!

But as I recall TW ran 4 or 5 banks from ORD in those days.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 16):
TW/AA/UA competing heavily between ORD/LGA with most offering hourly (or close to it) from ORD.

Yes, TW operated the "Blue Chip" service from LGA-ORD, primarily with 727's, offered hourly service M-F. Amazing to see that by 1985 LGA-ORD was down to twice daily on TW. AA and UA cleaned up on that one.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:41 am

I am going to start a similar topic "DL in ORD." This one really got me thinking.
Check it out. I just don't want to take the focuss off "IADCRJ's" topic.

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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:58 am

TW was well on its way to making PIT into a major hub when the air traffic controllers struck and were subsequently fired. Due to the ensuing slot restrictions they were unable to operate as planned and eventually consolidated their midwest operations at STL. If not for the controllers strike PIT could well have evolved into a major two carrier hub such as ATL, DEN, ORD and DFW were at that time.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 13):
Yeah, I know this is slightly off topic, but TWA also had a small operation out of ORD in 1985.

Thanks for mentioning a little about TWA's operation out of ORD. I had intenitions of posting a new thread regarding their operations out of there, but your mentioning of it definately answered some of my questions regarding the size of their operations out of there.

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 18):
I am going to start a similar topic "DL in ORD." This one really got me thinking.
Check it out. I just don't want to take the focuss off "IADCRJ's" topic.

There was a post regarding Delta's operations out ORD fairly recently. Go to the Message board search engine to pull up this past thread regarding this topic. This thread was fairly similar to mine right here.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
TWA also operated PIT-LGW in the early 80's IIRC. They transferred that authority to STL-LGW when STL was built up into their hub.

Did British Airways immediately replace this route. I do recall that they began to operate a one stop route between PIT and LHR back in the early 80's and operated it until about five or six years ago.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 19):
TW was well on its way to making PIT into a major hub when the air traffic controllers struck and were subsequently fired. Due to the ensuing slot restrictions they were unable to operate as planned and eventually consolidated their midwest operations at STL. If not for the controllers strike PIT could well have evolved into a major two carrier hub such as ATL, DEN, ORD and DFW were at that time.



Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 11):
have a TWA Timetable from January 15, 1985. Heres what it has listed out of PIT...

Non-Stops:

JFK 1X
STL 4X

It definately sounds like it must have been sometime back in the early 80's when TWA dismantled this PIT "Focus City" of theirs.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:20 am

Another side note case anyone was wondering.

Here is a Northwest Orient ORD Listing from a 1985 Timetable...

Non-Stop:

BIL (1X)
BOS (2X)
CLE (3X)
DTW (3X) THIS WAS BEFORE THERE DTW HUB DAYS.
MSN (2X)
MIA (2X)
MSP (13X)
RSC (1X)
SEA (1X)
TPA (2X)
DCA (1X)

SEOUL, KOREA (1x)
TOKYO, JAPAN (1X)

TOTAL- 33 DAILY FLIGHTS


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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:29 am

Here is yet another airline in case you are all wondering (Eastern).

January, 1985 Timetable (ORD Non-Stops)

Sorry, but this is off of a note I wrote, I don't have the frequencies in front of me.

ATL
BIR
CHL
RSW
MIA
LGA
SJU
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:05 pm

TW was well on its way to making PIT into a major hub when the air traffic controllers struck and were subsequently fired. Due to the ensuing slot restrictions they were unable to operate as planned and eventually consolidated their midwest operations at STL. If not for the controllers strike PIT could well have evolved into a major two carrier hub such as ATL, DEN, ORD and DFW were at that time.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 23):
CHL

you must mean CLT!

EA's ORD operation was very seasonal with much more winter North-South traffic. TWA's hub at ORD was primarily east-west and if you look at TWA's schedules from 1982 or 1983 you'll see TWA was close to eclipsing AA as Chicago's #2 carrier. Northwest as mentioned above was also very large at ORD with flights to Florida along with some midwestern routes and of course Tokyo and Seoul. When NW merged with Republic, Detroit became a hub and Chicago was downsized. By 1989 all that remained of the ORD operation were flights to the three NW hubs (DTW, MEM, MSP) and service to the gateways of BOS, SEA and of course the NRT flight which didn't disappear until 1997 or so.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:26 am

So when did the F/A and pilot base at ORD close for DL, EA, and NW? It must have been shortly after the airlines cut flights?
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting FLAPS (reply 24): "If not for the controllers strike PIT could well have evolved into a major two carrier hub such as ATL, DEN, ORD and DFW were at that time."

I wonder how long that would have lasted if that were to be the case...
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:09 am

For what it's worth, I have a BAA timetable from 1987 which shows TW operating flight 756 on a STL-PIT-PHL-LHR service during the summer using a 762. However, the return flight routed LHR-PHL only. There was, of course, the daily non-stop STL-LGW B762 flight at that time too.

BA also operated their daily PIT-PHL-LHR L1011 flight during the same period.
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:44 pm

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 28):
BA also operated their daily PIT-PHL-LHR L1011 flight during the same period.

I definately remebered that route. My very first flight on a widebody was on a BA 747-200 on this route back in 1986. The routing PIT-PHL-LHR often switched between PIT-BWI-LHR back during the 80's and IIRC that I flew this flight via BWI both ways.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:27 pm

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 29):

I wonder if BA ever had a non-stop route.

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 28):
TW operating flight 756 on a STL-PIT-PHL-LHR service during the summer using a 762.

I am sure that this service was eventually taken over by BA after US practically took over the entire airport. TW was probably reduced to only a few gates on the West Terminal. Then a few years later, US went international, but I am not sure if US competed with BA on the European routes. I thought they did not do that until the mid 1990s...
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RE: TWA In PIT

Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:46 am

TWA has a deep history with Pittsburgh. In addition to the frequent flight operations, there was a Reservations office for many years (Chatham Center - closed in early 80s), and the first Ambassadors Club was at PIT.

The PIT-LGW started on May 18, 1981, 3x/week with L-1011. Before it started there was talk of 2x/daily, then 10x/week service, then 1x/daily, but in the end only 3x/week.

Other services from the April 26 1981 timetable:

ALB 1x, BOS 2x, ORD 2x, CVG 3x, CMH 2x, DAY 2x, DEN 1x, DTW Sunday only, MDT 1x, IND 2x, LAS 1x, LAX 1x, SDF 1x, EWR 3x, LGA 4x, JFK 1x, PHL 3x, PVD 1x, STL 2x, SFO 1x, SYR 1x = 36 flights per day.

During the hey days - January 9, 1979 timetable:

BOS 4x, ORD 4x, CVG 3x, CMH 3x, DAY 3x, DEN 1x, BDL 1x, IND 3x, MCI 1x, LAX 2x, SDF 2x, EWR 6x, LGA 7x, JFK 1x, PHL 5x, PHX 1x, STL 3x, SFO 1x, SYR 1x = 52 flights per day.

The nonstop PIT-LGW only went through summer 1981, it was not listed in the October 1, 1981 timetable. BA started PIT service in 1985 and yes it eventually flew nonstop PIT-LGW with 767s, after serving LHR with one-stops over IAD, PHL, YUL at various times. The March 1998 timetable shows nonstop PIT-LGW into the North Terminal.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:04 am

What I find immensely interesting is that Pittsburgh had but only 7 airlines in 1975:

Allegheny
American
Eastern
NordAir
Northwest
TWA
United
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RE: TWA In PIT

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Worldflyer (Reply 31):
The March 1998 timetable shows nonstop PIT-LGW into the North Terminal.

Are you still referring to the old terminal? If so, I think you meant to say March of 1988 and not '98; The old Greater PIT terminal was abandoned on October 1, 1992 when the Landside and Airside terminals opened. In the new terminal, they had a gate or two on Concourse C along with United...

I just thought of this: if it's the North Terminal at LGW to which you are referring, then disregard this post.
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RE: TWA In PIT

Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:19 am

TWA flew quite a few different types of aircraft into PIT; the A.net database shows the following:
Martin 404, 1958
Lockheed L-749 Constellation, 1967
Convair CV-880, 1970
Douglas DC-9-15, 1967
Boeing 727-31, 1984
McDonnell Douglas DC-9-31, 2000

I have fond memories of seeing TWA 707-331Bs parked at the gate in 1983. With retirement only a year away, these aircraft were used for the 1.5 hour flight to JFK. How majestic these birds looked, even though these one-time globetrotters were relegated to a shuttle service. In 1984, this service was flown with 727-231s, certainly a much more profitable aircraft for that route (though still nothing compared with the fuel economy of an A320). I also remember seeing the occational American Trans Air 707/720 at PIT in the early 1980s.
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RE: TWA In PIT

Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 3):
It is simply unbelievable that there was at one time widebody service between PIT and ORD, compared to today where the largest aircraft that operates on that route is a 737-400 for USAirways.

Compared to SYR, which had DC10s to ORD on both UA and AA, and the largest aircraft operated today are RJs (UA CR7s, and AE 145s).
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:03 am

This site has lots of information from OAG's. Most are from the 80's, but there are quite a few from the 70's. Well worth checking out. http://www.geocities.com/departing1983/index.html
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RE: TWA In PIT

Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 33):
In the new terminal, they had a gate or two on Concourse C along with United...

You are correct. They did occupy gates on "C" concourse. Infact TWA's two gates there were C56 and C58 where USA 3000 currently operates out of (C58) and Indy's old gate (of C56).
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:16 pm

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 22):
SEOUL, KOREA (1x)
TOKYO, JAPAN (1X)

Wait a minute... PIT had an asian market served my NW??? I did not know that!!!
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RE: TWA In PIT

Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 38):
Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 22):
SEOUL, KOREA (1x)
TOKYO, JAPAN (1X)

Wait a minute... PIT had an asian market served my NW??? I did not know that!!!

He was talking about ORD. Not PIT.

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 22):
Here is a Northwest Orient ORD Listing from a 1985 Timetable...

Non-Stop:

BIL (1X)
BOS (2X)
CLE (3X)
DTW (3X) THIS WAS BEFORE THERE DTW HUB DAYS.
MSN (2X)
MIA (2X)
MSP (13X)
RSC (1X)
SEA (1X)
TPA (2X)
DCA (1X)

SEOUL, KOREA (1x)
TOKYO, JAPAN (1X)

TOTAL- 33 DAILY FLIGHTS
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RE: TWA In PIT

Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 39):
He was talking about ORD. Not PIT.

Yeah... I must have read through that post a little fast. I must have thought he was talking about PIT as this thread has to do with PIT... My bad
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RE: TWA In PIT

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:42 am

The only thing from Asia we got that I'm aware of is a JAL 747-400, but that was chartered by the Steelers. No scheduled service. But, as you remember, we did have Europe service.
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RE: TWA In PIT

Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:29 pm

PIT never had and probably never will (atleast any time in the foreseable future) have any Asian markets. PIT will be lucky if any European markets return in the foreseable future too.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 42):
PIT never had and probably never will (atleast any time in the foreseable future) have any Asian markets. PIT will be lucky if any European markets return in the foreseable future too.

That is just sad... They might as well remove the customs and immigration facilities there.
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RE: TWA In PIT

Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:38 am

From my January, 1979 OAG, it looks like PIT would have been a "spotters paradise" for logging TWA DC-9-15 and 707 movements. At the time, the two soon-to-be-retired types featured very prominently in TWA's then considerable flight operations at PIT; the "stub" DC-9s filling much the same role as RJs today and the 707s handling longer flights.
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:57 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 44):
TWA DC-9-15 and 707 movements. At the time, the two soon-to-be-retired types featured very prominently in TWA's then considerable flight operations at PIT;

TWA's DC9-15 type "soon to be retired"? TWA operated those planes until the late 1990's. Infact, I definately recall flying aboard one of them back in 1992 on one of their PIT-STL flights. But you are indeed correct in terms of the 707 being retired soon. TWA retired the last 707 back in 1983.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 43):
That is just sad... They might as well remove the customs and immigration facilities there.

The customs and immigration facilities are still used for US seasonal PIT-CUN, US weekend PIT-MBJ, and the occasional international charters. I do have to admit that PIT's customs and immigration facilities is not nearly as busy as it was before US dismantled their hub there.
 
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 46):
The customs and immigration facilities are still used for US seasonal PIT-CUN, US weekend PIT-MBJ, and the occasional international charters. I do have to admit that PIT's customs and immigration facilities is not nearly as busy as it was before US dismantled their hub there.

True, although I did say this in another post though... PIT is slowly starting to gain a bit of a more competitive business market, especially in the services and technologies sector. Google is now in town and Westinghouse has been sold to Toshiba. The Google operation should bring thousands of jobs to the region, and the Westinghouse office said it wanted to triple its work force to 9,000 engineers. If Toshiba decides to keep a massive operation in the Pittsburgh Region, then there might be a considerably large enough business market to warant more steady international service. Although even if this does happen, which probably will not be in another 5 or 6 years or more, there might be only direct service to Europe...
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 45):

No, the original model tens TWA had were delivered in 66 and 67, N1051T thru N1070T.
The one you saw was not in that group. Most of TWA original model 10's went to Midway Airlines in the mid 80's.
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RE: TWA In PIT

Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 48):
No, the original model tens TWA had were delivered in 66 and 67, N1051T thru N1070T.
The one you saw was not in that group. Most of TWA original model 10's went to Midway Airlines in the mid 80's.
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Thanks. These DC9-15's that were in service from the mid 80's to late 90's must have come over from Ozark when they were purchased by TWA back in the mid 1980s.