|Quoting JonnyGT (Reply 5):|
Oh brother, here we go again.
Pick a date for NW to replace the DC-9s. Now push it back at least 10 years. Now we are talking
I remember reading a.net prior to joining absolutely mistified at the facination with the DC-9.
|Quoting Claude (Reply 12):|
hello everyones... why not 318's?? same family as their 319's...
There is also aparently a gate spacing issue at DTW
with the A318's. Someone from NW
will have to comment more. But the A318 is always going to haul around more weight than the E190AR.
Using the airliners.net info (I know, often wrong)
A318: empty weight 84,600 lbm
E195 "basic operating" 59,744 lbm
~25,000 lbm (almost 12 metric tons) is just too big of a gap unless one needs the A318's range. The "rule of thumb" that 1kg added "non value added weight" reduces the value of an airframe $500 gives 12000*500=$6million USD. ouch! I really doubt an A318 will ever sell for $6mill less than an E195. While I like the babybus, the E190/195 have better economics as long as a *large* subfleet is purchased. (Obviously, with small orders or a series of small orders fleet comonality rules out.) NW
is talking about 50+. Thus the economics of another fleet type favors the lighter/newer aircraft design over fleet comonality.
|Quoting L1329II (Reply 20):|
Really? Who other than Jazz has a dual cabin setup on the 700 & 900's?
Dang, you beat me to it! Although, I would argue UE
is 3 class: Y, E+, J.
|Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 24):|
Indy's RJ fleet was T-I-N-Y,with what..60 RJ's..compared to the RJ fleets in service to the legacy carriers.
IIRC, they peaked at 85 and then shrank. Anyone have a link?
|Quoting ORDagent (Reply 26):|
The only issue is that the E jets are too big for many markets. The 135-145 series will still sell for many years.
I agree that the E-jets are too big for many markets. However, at $60+/bbl oil more of those markets will eventually get turboprops. Also, I happen to agree with Boyd that there are 800 to 1200 extra 50 seat RJ
's on the market than the market can support. So the 145 line is going to have a tough time for the next few years. Long term, I expect Embraer to go forward with a 50 seater replacement. I really hope the PW800 GTF
Hey, I'm biased. I worked a little on a few paper concepts of this engine.
The 50 seater market won't go away, its just going to be glutted for a while. When will it return? I don't know. In many ways, the E-jets might be the first big selling 100 seater since the DC-9.