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Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:37 pm

Oman Air plans to order 3 widebodied aircraft, the Gulf Airline is looking at Boeing's 787 and Airbus' A350 and A330 aircraft.

The airline plans to order 3 or more aircraft this year  Smile

What are the possible routes for the new aircraft... MCT-LHR, MCT-BKK..?

The airline currently operates regional routes in the Gulf using a fleet of 737NG's and ATR-42's

I would suspect the 787 is a top condender as the airline already operates a small 737 fleet, but Airbus could also win the order  Smile

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:40 pm

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
I would suspect the 787 is a top condender as the airline already operates a small 737 fleet, but Airbus could also win the order

I´ll second that, I read an article about them which included an interview with their CEO who said that they are satisfied with the Boeing product. But you never now, maybe Airbus gives them a good deal.
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:52 pm

There is a large british community in Muscat and I would assume first wide-body flights would target London and maybe Manchester.
Obviously like many Gulf-countries population from the sub-indian continent is well represented and would make flight -as usual- to Bombay,Madras,Cochin ,Bangalore and Karachi a secondary target.
I don't see Muscat-Sydney flights,as the competition from EK is too big.
But Frankfurt,Paris,Manila,Djakarta and Amsterdam would figure high on my guess-list.
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:01 pm

Pretty much all other airlines in the region (Gulf, Emirates, Qatar, Etihad) fly the A330. That might be a pointer. The other factor is when they want to start these flights. It may be a long wait for a 787 or an A350 whereas the A330 could be in service next year.
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:06 pm

This has actually been heralded for some time and it would not surprise me if, in due course, Oman withdrew from GF and it became a BAH only airline.

Oman Air would probably try to emulate the other "Gulf" carriers and establish themselves as a Europe (primarily UK) - MCT - India/FE airline.

I'm actually flying out there next week ... with GF, to BOM via MCT.

As to which aircraft they would choose, I'd imagine that the 787 would be at the top of the list.

Remember it's only two years until the first 787 enters service; don't know what their planning timescale is, but if they were to get 787 production slots from a cancelled or deferred order (Primaris, NW?) or a lessor, they might be able to get them by 2008-9.
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:39 pm

The beginning of the end of Gulf Air as a multi-national airline... Looks like it will call only BAH as its home, very soon.
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:38 am

My top picks are: LHR/LGW, FRA, CDG, KUL or CGK to SIN and maybe MAN. BTW its sad to hear that the Africa flights are ending  Sad
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:56 am

If they can wait till 2011 then B 787-800, if they cant and want it in 2 years time then A 330-200.

Routes mentioned for the widebodied are MCT-LHR, MCT-BOM, MCT-BKK and MCT-DEL only.
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
Pretty much all other airlines in the region (Gulf, Emirates, Qatar, Etihad) fly the A330. That might be a pointer. The other factor is when they want to start these flights. It may be a long wait for a 787 or an A350 whereas the A330 could be in service next year.

They could have 787s in 2, maybe 3 years potentially, especially if NW cancels their order, which doesn't look too far out right now.

Also, the 787 looks to have substantially better economics than A330, and marginally better economics than A350. Plus, the prestige of flying on a brand-new, ground up aircraft. It was like when 757 or A320 came out, there was a prestige attached to buying them. Boeing has marketed the 787 really well.

If they bought 73Gs, and are happy, i'm not sure why they'd move over to Airbus. Except that my understanding is that Airbus is giving A340s away, practically (and with their fuel consumption, it's still not a good deal), and have been making pretty good deals on the A330 as well. Too bad Boeing refuses to be more aggressive in selling 767s, maybe they could sell a few more.

A lot of gulf region airlines opperate A330, but they will also opperate 787s as well (atleast, some of them).
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 8):
A lot of gulf region airlines opperate A330, but they will also opperate 787s as well (atleast, some of them).

Well, the four major Gulf airlines have all ordered the A330 so that's a fact. None has so far ordered the 787. I have no doubt that the 787 will sell there but I'd say you are mixing fact with expectation.
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:25 am

I think Oman will buy the plane that fills their needs. I think 787 is a legitimate contender. However this maybe over kill but depending on their freight business the 772ER might be the right plane for them. As for the 767-300ER if Oman Air wanted to order the 763 with the 777 style interior I am sure Boeing would give them a reasonable price. Lan and JAL are recieving new 763'S.
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:37 am

Thanks for the replys  Smile

I hope Oman recieves some widebodies soon, I can't wait to try their long haul product  Smile

Does anyone know if Swiss does any well on their MCT services?

I may take a trip to MCT in June  Smile

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Oman Air would probably try to emulate the other "Gulf" carriers and establish themselves as a Europe (primarily UK) - MCT - India/FE airline.

Plus, there're still a few cities in India/FE that no ME airlines have really tapped into yet, a mid size aircraft like 787/A350 would work really well.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
The beginning of the end of Gulf Air as a multi-national airline... Looks like it will call only BAH as its home, very soon.

It's long over due, IMO it'll be more efficient for GF to concentrate on BAH rather than spreading planes/resources between multiple hubs.
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5):
The beginning of the end of Gulf Air as a multi-national airline... Looks like it will call only BAH as its home, very soon.

The beginning was EK, a further step was QR. For me it looks like that GF will have very bad time again.
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:23 pm

A real setback for GF... again but after all, analysts were expecting that move.
As stated above, all GF has to do now is to concentrate its strenght to Bahrain and only Bahrain !!

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:30 pm

The airline's CEO was interviewed by Neemah Wardeh on BBC "Middle East Business Report". He admitted Oman Air was a small company which would never compete with the likes of Emirates and Etihad, at least in the short-term. He also hinted very clearly that Oman would withdraw from Gulf Air "eventually".
What I found shocking in this interview was the man's very humble English and almost complete absence of technical airline terminologies which a 5-year old would understand. He lacks the ability to articulate advanced ideas and quite frankly the airline will not go anywhere notable with that man at the helm.
Just my 2 cents worth of opinion.
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 15):

Probably using the same simple language that most airline CEOs would if they were interviewed in Arabic?
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:02 pm

Scbriml,
The BBC interview was carried out in English.
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 15):
What I found shocking in this interview was the man's very humble English and almost complete absence of technical airline terminologies which a 5-year old would understand. He lacks the ability to articulate advanced ideas and quite frankly the airline will not go anywhere notable with that man at the helm.
Just my 2 cents worth of opinion.

And that's all its really worth....

Are you saying that use of complicated jargon is the only way to recognise a capable person? I think the ability to communicate in simple and uncomplicated language is a great asset....
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:08 am

"I think the ability to communicate in simple and uncomplicated language is a great asset...."

That is correct.

"Are you saying that use of complicated jargon is the only way to recognise a capable person?"

Definitely not, nor did I imply that. I simply meant to say the airline is better off with an articulate CEO, not someone who will stutter and use "ummmmm" this and "ummmmmmm" that, before expressing an obvious idea.

It is my hunch that the CEO was appointed because 1) He is an Omani and 2) government wants him there because of his govt. / family connections.

The BBC interview did not show his credentials, if any. He did not even bother to explain to the audience why they should fly Oman Air. Instead, he sat back, looking bored, and dwelling on the fact that Oman is a small country.

You seem to have taken an offense from my remarks. Are you an OMANAIR insider?

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:49 pm

Any news on GF's aircraft order...I read some were that they planing to pump in $900mill to get ride of there B763ER's and standardize there fleet ????
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Remember it's only two years until the first 787 enters service; don't know what their planning timescale is, but if they were to get 787 production slots from a cancelled or deferred order (Primaris, NW?) or a lessor, they might be able to get them by 2008-9.

I'm not so sure about that. Aren't the first few years of the 787 production already fully booked (even taking into account possible cancellations)? I would guess if any airline will order the 787 now will have to wait until at least 2010-12 to receive their 787, right? So delivery at the moment for new orders isn't just 2 years away from now but rather 4 years or more, anyone with more detailed insight in the 787 production here?

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
I would guess if any airline will order the 787 now will have to wait until at least 2010-12 to receive their 787, right? So delivery at the moment for new orders isn't just 2 years away from now but rather 4 years or more, anyone with more detailed insight in the 787 production here?

Given such a situation, would Boeing do something to increase the rate of production? Else, it might just boomerang on Boeing as customers who don't want to wait that long might opt for the A350.....
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:20 pm

I'm curious to know how much longer Oman Air plans to be updating their site, I've been going to it off and on for about a year now, and its always been that same page...
 
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:29 am

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:30 pm

Looks to me like Al Nakhal Fort...

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:20 pm

http://www.ibiblio.org/edweb/oman-dubai/nakhal.html

Quoting RogerThat (Reply 25):
Looks to me like Al Nakhal Fort...

The picture was taken in early 2006 -currently restaurations work going on-yes it is Al Nakhal -what can I tell you - the whole country is just wonderful to visit and it's people great .....
It's a real love-story for me -each time I visit Oman I feel like comming home to a place that offers so much to visitors.
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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 11):

I want your opinion on the tremendous growth of the airlines of the region and whether it is justified. I spoke to my brother, who lived in Dubai for many years and he was very bullish, so I really want your take.

Personally, I feel there are too many players, with Oman now getting in the act. So any corrections are welcome.

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RE: Oman Air To Order Widebodies

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:37 pm

Still think Oman may go 773ER'S. Perhaps over kill but with frieght may work

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