brucek
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LGA Landing Runway?

Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:25 pm

I'm connecting to Montreal through LGA in May- and since I have never flown into LGA I'm wondering if there is a preferred no-wind runway for landings? I assume whatever LGA is using needs to be coordinated with JFK, EWR and who knows what else, so maybe there is no such thing.

Thanks- Bruce.
 
tinpusher007
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:29 pm

The preferred operation at LGA is to land on 22 and depart on 13. I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.
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levg79
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:52 am

I've seen landing being done on 4 with take-offs on 13 and I've also seen landings on 22, while take-offs were still done on 13.

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.

I don't think Kennedy is considered the main airport in that sense. That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

Quoting Brucek (Thread starter):
I'm wondering if there is a preferred no-wind runway for landings?

I would assume there would be wind, but I would expect you'd come in from the south and the Manhattan skyline would be on your left. This is the approach that's commonly used to LGA. I know because I can see the planes on this approach from my window, and I see them very often.

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Tbird
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:15 am

It all depends on the winds, day of the week, and season. For example yesterday they were using 31 Expressway visual and then 31 using the localalizer. In the summer months we see 4 being used for arrivals and 13 for departures most of the time. They also were closing 13/31 for construction very often there really isn't one runway they use more then others, although 13 arrivals are extremely rare.
 
tinpusher007
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.

I don't think Kennedy is considered the main airport in that sense. That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

I heard this from a former controller at NY TRACON. It would appear that becuase JFK doesn't use ILS to the 13's that it's "giving way" to LGA and EWR. But its just the logistics of the way the airspace is divided between the three airports. Basically, I don't believe there is a real big ryhme or reason other than winds and perhaps volume of traffic. Im sure there is some compromise between the three so they can best accomodate the level of traffic on any given day.
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timz
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
I would expect you'd come in from the south and the Manhattan skyline would be on your left.

If LGA is landing runway 4 or 31, expect Manhattan on your left (if you're arriving from the south or west).

If they're landing 22, and departing from 13, you'll fly up the Hudson. If landing 22 and departing 31 then over Brooklyn you'll turn right to 070 heading.
 
tinpusher007
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:45 am

Currently, LGA is using expwy visual 31 and departing rwy 4. Check this out:
www4.passur.com/lga.html

You can also see JFK and EWR, just change the identifier in the address.
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Mir
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:54 am

Arrivals on 13 are fairly rare, as are departures from 22. Normally, the configuration is landing on 22 and departing on 13, or landing on 31 and departing on 4. Sometimes, they'll land on 4 and depart on 31. And when the winds are really strong, they'll be forced to put everything onto one runway (dictated by the wind direction, of course).

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
I don't think Kennedy is considered the main airport in that sense. That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

LGA could work around it, since it has runway 13/31. EWR, with only the 4/22s for most of the flights, would be more difficult (particularly if the departures were going off of the 4s).

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Alitalia744
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 2):
That's one of the reasons ILS to 13L at JFK is never used, because that would interfere with LGA operations.

Never say never. ILS 13L has been used, it's a pretty site to see the heavies flying straight over Manhattan into 13!
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brucek
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:09 am

Thanks everyone. Looking forward to flying into this airport with a window seat  Smile

Bruce.
 
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
The preferred operation at LGA is to land on 22 and depart on 13. I have heard that rwy ops for all three airports are determined by which runways Kennedy uses.

I am pretty sure that some operations out of LGA are restricted during the US Tennis Open or scheduled so as to get around Flushing Meadows. In a live broadcast a couple of years ago, I heard John McEnroe commenting on this after a noisy flyby that stopped the game for a couple of seconds.

Can anyone confirm this?
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Hagic (Reply 10):
I am pretty sure that some operations out of LGA are restricted during the US Tennis Open or scheduled so as to get around Flushing Meadows. In a live broadcast a couple of years ago, I heard John McEnroe commenting on this after a noisy flyby that stopped the game for a couple of seconds.

Can anyone confirm this?

Mayor Dinkins (huge tennis fan, but very bad Mayor) instituted this arrangment during the US Open (though there never is any consideration given to Mets fans as the Jets buzz Shea during games as a matter of course - which is fun foir me, though annoying to some).

As I recall, Rudy Giuliani relaxed the restrictions on the planes, but eventually a compromise was reached where they were kinda, sorta diverted, but not as extensively as during the Dinkins admin.
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timz
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:13 am

Isn't that one of the few times LGA uses Rwy 22 for takeoffs-- when something's going on at Shea or the tennis center?
 
tinpusher007
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RE: LGA Landing Runway?

Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting Hagic (Reply 10):
I am pretty sure that some operations out of LGA are restricted during the US Tennis Open or scheduled so as to get around Flushing Meadows. In a live broadcast a couple of years ago, I heard John McEnroe commenting on this after a noisy flyby that stopped the game for a couple of seconds.

Can anyone confirm this?

I would say that mnost of today's modern jets and the influx of RJ's at LGA are really not that noisy, especially on approach, but then people find anything to complain about.
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