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First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:49 am

Airbus A320-214 c/n 2616
N621VA, ex F-WWDJ
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Delivery date: 24feb06
Delivery flight: TLS-KEF-YYR-MEM-GLH (Greenville, Mississippi, USA)
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:53 am

I suppose it's going to Greenville for painting?
As the last time I saw that aircraft it was still in green primer and already flying....
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:22 am

First: Thanks for the update.

What is the scheduled entry into service? How is VirgA's certificate going?

Interesting that they have their first aircraft on the way.

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Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:42 am

Mazel Tov. Now all we need are some places for it to fly between.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:45 am

First thing would be an operating certificate in order to actual offer flights for sale, prior to any cities.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:20 am

Can't wait to see the finished paint Big grin

I wish the airline luck, in the current climate they will need it.


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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:23 am

Why does SRB think he's gonna have success entering a shattered US domestic market? Is he gonna pay people to fill his a/c?  confused 
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:23 am

Now am I to believe that the very first Virgin America aircraft got into the paintshop, got painted, left the paint shop, went out on the runway, and was able to get airborne without a single picture being plastered all over the place? WOW! That's pretty sad!
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:34 am

What does the livery look like???
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 7):
Now am I to believe that the very first Virgin America aircraft got into the paintshop, got painted, left the paint shop, went out on the runway, and was able to get airborne without a single picture being plastered all over the place? WOW! That's pretty sad!

Actually, I think it went to GLH for painting! I doubt it has been painted yet!


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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:57 am

Is Virgin America gonna have any other equipment other than the A320?
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Cleared2Land4 (Reply 10):
Is Virgin America gonna have any other equipment other than the A320?

Nope. An all Airbus A320 fleet is really likely.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:39 am

Yeah......are there any pics out there of what the plane is gonna look like???? curious to see!!
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:41 am

too bad they don't have an operating certificate nor cities........
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:41 am

the picture above at least shows part of it will look like...
 
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:22 am

If you ask me, and I realize no one has, the Virgin family of airlines need more distinct designs for their aircraft... I can pretty much tell you what teh Virgin America paintjob will look like by looking at Virgin Blue, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Nigeria, etc...

Sure, keep the Virgin tail design, but change the damn fuselage designs and colors around a bit more!
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:13 pm

Does anyone know why it takes such a long path. Surely an empty A320 can make the trip from TlS to YYR since it its only 400 miles longer than what B6 flies from JFK
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:35 pm

How long does it take to paint? I live about 2 1/2 hours from Greenville & could possibly try to get down there.
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
Why does SRB think he's gonna have success entering a shattered US domestic market? Is he gonna pay people to fill his a/c?

Remember that Richard Branson is more of a showman than a businessman.

To put this in perspective, this is the man who would have kept the Concords flying if not for an air worthiness ban by those silly, safety-driven civil aviation authorities.

He is also one of the few people, aside from Noel Forgeard and John Leahy, that clings to the shattered last vestiges of Airbus' embarrassing "4 engines 4 long haul" marketing campaign.
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:46 pm

Where is it going after it gets painted?
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:49 pm

I am very interested to see what the scheme looks like. I wonder if it will look just like the regular british virgin scheme, jus with america after it, like virgin nigeria, or if it will be a newly updated design. I think for marketing sake it may make sense to update the old design while still keeping the recognizeable images of the traditional logo. I don't know that I'm a big fan of Mr. Branson, but there is no doubt he's a good business man. Best of luck.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:02 pm

Is this normal or abnormal, to take delivery of a new acft unpainted, and fly it to a vendor to have it painted? It's new to me. Also, I read in the paper a week or so ago that there were problems with VA because of the partial foreign ownership..........have they taken the right people to dinner yet?
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:11 pm

Quoting MNeo (Reply 16):
Does anyone know why it takes such a long path. Surely an empty A320 can make the trip from TlS to YYR since it its only 400 miles longer than what B6 flies from JFK

More than likely VA did not get HF radio installed since they are going to be a domestic carrier. Inorder to fly the southern tracks over the North Atlantic you need to be ETOPS and have HF radio. The ETOPS thing aside, there are tracks that could be flown if you are non-ETOPS but they still require HF radio as you are outside of VHF range. Without the HF you are restricted to airways that take you across Greenland. I once flew an A320 across the pond going eastbound and made it no problem from Canada all the way to Toulouse. Going westbound on this route would really be pushing it. Additionally, new fleet, pilots flying it who may not have flown in a while, make plenty of stops along the way for training purposes.

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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:21 pm

Rumor has it their captains will max out at $80K/year... How sad is that?

Hopefully they get no resumes and are forced to pay fair wages.
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:29 pm

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1000489/L/

"F-WWDJ (cn 2616) Was previously for Virgin America."

I'm confused...
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 24):
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1000489/L/

"F-WWDJ (cn 2616) Was previously for Virgin America."

I'm confused...

I'm a bit confused too.


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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting Jseesue (Reply 18):

..."Airbus embarrassing 4 engines 4 long haul"....

VS fly 744s and I dont see any problemos with the 346, do you?

I hope it will be a sucess for SRB and Virgin America, he´s a maverick in my book.

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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:11 pm

I can not wait to see the Virgin America Theme! I have nothing but good feelings for this Airline!  Smile
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting Jseesue (Reply 18):
Remember that Richard Branson is more of a showman than a businessman.

But he is pretty successful as a businessman, considering that he is more a showman.

Anyway, does the aircraft really NOT get painted at TLS or XFW? Would be new to me, does anybody know that for sure?
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:42 pm

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 25):
It is the same aircraft with different engine covers, white not red.

Maybe they decided to change the color scheme as they went along...

Now my main question: Isn't this an amazing waste of money to let a few $$$ million be painted and then rust away while Virgin America gets the DOT license?
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:34 pm

Quoting ETFokker50 (Reply 29):

No, when they start service to the airports they have pretty painted planes to go along with the whole PR package... and of course smiling SRB!
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:48 pm

They will not have any trouble finding pilots.

Why?

Because NW pilots just voted to strike if the Bank Judge pulls the plug on the contract. NW will shut down, and VA will have their pick of pilots with lots of hours flying the airbus.

Many will switch carriers, then give NW what they want.

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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:04 pm

When in the H*ll are they going to announce destinations???
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:42 pm

Here she is:
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Aircraft ID N621VA
Aircraft Type AIRBUS A320-214
Owner/Operator JET-1 2616 OWNER TRUST
C/O WILMINGTON TRUST CO RODNEY SQ NORTH 1100 N MARKET ST, WILMINGTON DELAWARE

Serial Number 2616
Year Manufactured None
Certificate Issued 02/23/2006

Flight Plan Received 2006-02-24 08:20:12 from Memphis
Departure KMEM MEMPHIS, MEMPHIS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, UNITED STATES
Destination KGLH MID DELTA RGNL, GREENVILLE MS
Status Landed
Planned Alt 16000 Feet
Planned Speed 443 kts.
Planned Dep 2006-02-24 22:30
Actual Dep
Planned Arrival 2006-02-24 22:58
Estimated Arrival
Actual Arrival 2006-02-24 15:55
Latest Speed 471 kts.
Latest Altitude 29700 Feet
Distance to Dest.
Last Update 2006-02-24 15:55
Route KMEM..HLI.V94.GLH..KGLH/0028
Tracking ID 69608403
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24-Feb-2006 A320/Q Memphis Int'l [KMEM] Mid Delta Regional [KGLH] 05:13PM CST 05:36PM CST 0:23

24-Feb-2006 A320/S Goose Bay [CYYR] Memphis Int'l [KMEM] 05:48PM GMT 04:03PM CST 4:15
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 32):
When in the H*ll are they going to announce destinations???

Well i assume they will not fly into LAS otherwise all the FA's will be screaming when they hit turbulance!  sarcastic 
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Jseesue (Reply 18):
Remember that Richard Branson is more of a showman than a businessman.

How many showman do you know that are billionaires????

He is one of the world's most famous businessmen, and a pretty nice bloke aswell.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 32):
When in the H*ll are they going to announce destinations???

I thought that they had announced their first route SFO-NYC (dont know if it was JFK or EWR).

I was in SFO a couple of weeks ago and the San Farnciscans are very excited about being the hub city. It was there that I heard about the first route, but this may just be hearsay..

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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 34):
Well i assume they will not fly into LAS otherwise all the FA's will be screaming when they hit turbulance!

Unlike you I suppose? Mr. Calm, Cool and Collected........
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting Jseesue (Reply 18):
To put this in perspective, this is the man who would have kept the Concords flying if not for an air worthiness ban by those silly, safety-driven civil aviation authorities.

I understood it was an air-worthiness directive or upgrade obligation from the manufacturer that would have cost the airlines (as I recall) $200 million, and post 9/11, during a fuel crisis with reduced loads, they balked, thus grounding the aircraft. I gathered he was willing to pay for that, if he could get the A/C for $1 per hull, but that BA and AF were unwilling to let their flagships (and legacy) be transferred to VS. Do I have any of that right?

That's just from memory, though.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting Jseesue (Reply 18):
Remember that Richard Branson is more of a showman than a businessman.

He makes a profit, though.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 28):
Anyway, does the aircraft really NOT get painted at TLS or XFW? Would be new to me, does anybody know that for sure?

Because if they painted it in TLS the design would be leaked on the net as the aircraft flew to america.

This way they can paint it up, then have an official unveiling ceremony infront of all the US press, with the usual SRB touch.
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:03 am

I work at the same airport that Virgin America will be headquartered at. I have become friends with a former fellow ANetter who recently got a job in the department where they are doing their route planning. (by the way he was banned from the board as one of the monitors felt his posts were advertising for Virgin America) He tells me the aircraft will be painted in the US and that it will not be the standard Virgin paint job, but will be stars, and bars similar to the US Flag, with the regular Virgin tail logo. Each aircraft will carry a name and the one that just came to the US will be "Miss America".
I have been over to their offices and this is a company that seems to have the original Braniff M.O. "If you've got it, Flaunt It."
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 40):
(by the way he was banned from the board as one of the monitors felt his posts were advertising for Virgin America)

He got banned for talking about a airline, yet others on a ongoing basis open threads about how wonderful other airlines are, over and over again...

Go figure!
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 40):
I work at the same airport that Virgin America will be headquartered at. I have become friends with a former fellow ANetter who recently got a job in the department where they are doing their route planning. (by the way he was banned from the board as one of the monitors felt his posts were advertising for Virgin America) He tells me the aircraft will be painted in the US and that it will not be the standard Virgin paint job, but will be stars, and bars similar to the US Flag, with the regular Virgin tail logo. Each aircraft will carry a name and the one that just came to the US will be "Miss America".
I have been over to their offices and this is a company that seems to have the original Braniff M.O. "If you've got it, Flaunt It."

Its a shame he can no longer post......I liked getting info about Virgin America from him... Smile

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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Atomother (Reply 23):
Rumor has it their captains will max out at $80K/year... How sad is that?

Hopefully they get no resumes and are forced to pay fair wages.

I know the days of paying pilots $250K a year are over, but I expect something north of $100K. I know WN, the most efficient airline out there, pays its pilots more.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:40 am

I still find it funny that Virgin subsidiaries all over the world fly all 737 fleets, yet as soon as they come to the United States they fly an Airbus.
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 41):
He got banned for talking about a airline, yet others on a ongoing basis open threads about how wonderful other airlines are, over and over again...

Go figure!

I fully agree, and wonder if he had a diatribe of Commericals for B6 would he have been banned. I guess someone in the anals of monitors feels threatened by Virgin Americas Existence. I felt the info coming from him was better than anything else being put forth.

Anyway, even though Virgin will be a competitor for the company I am employed with, from what I have seen and my friend over there has shown me, this will be a neat airline.
 
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:04 am

The guy that got banned must have been really laying it on thick to get banned. Singapore_Air notwithstanding, many people do a whole lot of overt advertising.
 
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Atomother (Reply 23):
Rumor has it their captains will max out at $80K/year

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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 15):
If you ask me, and I realize no one has, the Virgin family of airlines need more distinct designs for their aircraft... I can pretty much tell you what teh Virgin America paintjob will look like by looking at Virgin Blue, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Nigeria, etc...

Go take Marketing 101. This is called "branding."
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RE: First Virgin America A/c On The Way...

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 40):
He tells me the aircraft will be painted in the US and that it will not be the standard Virgin paint job, but will be stars, and bars similar to the US Flag, with the regular Virgin tail logo.

It will be interesting to see what this will look like... A stars and stripes livery with the Virgin tail logo... When I saw stars and stripes, I thought that was going to be the tail logo. I dunno, I guess we'll wait and see...
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