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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:52 am

A 12% service tax imposed on First and Business class international travel. Will some airline get around this by offering enhanced premium economy which is very close in comfort/service to business class? Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1432868.cms

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The boom in air travel appears to have encouraged Union finance minister to tap the sector for more revenues. P Chidambaram has decided to tax the predominantly corporate and high net worth individuals who patronise the first and business class of international flights with a service tax, and that too an enhanced at 12% now. First class IATA fares (one-year validity) between Mumbai and New York is around Rs 4.7 lakh, while business class costs Rs 2.8 lakh. Hence, the impact of the tax cannot be ignored, industry observers opine.

While the Budget has given some relief to airlines on an accelerated fleet expansion track by way of tax exemption on aircraft lease rentals for one more year, it has avoided any intervention on the tricky issue of jet fuel pricing and sales tax levied by different states.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:57 am

what's the news about VT-AIM? Is it doing rounds at LAX?
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:08 pm

India and Pakistan to hold talks next month to review air services. PIA wants to fly to Kochi, Chennai, and Hyderabad. This opens up the possibilty of one-stop connection to few North American cities on PIA's 772LR. Link:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/28air.htm

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Top officials from India and Pakistan would hold talks in March to review the bilateral air services agreement, to further commercial cooperation and to iron out differences on tariff and non-tariff barriers. Pakistan's Foreign Ministry on Tuesday said the civil aviation officials of both the countries would meet in New Delhi on March 7-8 to review the existing bilateral air services agreement.

The officials will discuss the possibility of setting up air links between more cities and increasing the number of airlines flying the routes, it said. In 2005 the two sides held inconclusive discussions in Islamabad. During that meeting Pakistan surprised India by asking for permission to operate its Pakistan International Airlines flights to Kochi, Hyderabad and Chennai, besides the existing Delhi and Mumbai. In addition, Pakistan has offered Islamabad and Peshawar as additional routes for Indian Airlines and Indian private operators.

India, while promising to consider Pakistan's request for three more destinations on Indian routes, did not show much interest in the new destinations proposed by Islamabad due to viability factor. Both sides also held inconclusive discussions over permitting private airlines between the agreed destinations.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):

bl@*dy PK is milking traffic to India. Will they open land route to Kabul?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 3):
bl@*dy PK is milking traffic to India

I don't see what's wrong with that? Everyone other than AI/IC are milking traffic from India (look at EK BA LH SQ TG AF KL NW etc.) - so why not PK? I'd say "good for them".
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 3):
bl@*dy PK is milking traffic to India. Will they open land route to Kabul?
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You echoed my sentiments exactly!! For granting MFN status and land route to Afghanistan, they want to settle Kashmir first. But for things which brings them profit, like gas pipeline or PK routes, they are willing to forget it!! Don't allow them to milk the Indian traffic till they begin to negotiate in good faith!!
 
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:39 pm

From: http://www.hindu.com/2006/03/01/stories/2006030118600400.htm

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New British Airways flight to London

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Bangalore: British Airways on Tuesday announced an additional flight out of Bangalore. Effective from May 4, the number of flights from Bangalore to London Heathrow will be increased from five to six a week.

The new flight (BA118) will take off from Bangalore at 5:45 a.m. IST on Thursday and arrive at London Heathrow Airport at 11:50 a.m. (U.K. time).

British Airways also rationalised its flight frequencies to and from Chennai. Beginning May 4, British Airways will operate five times a week from Chennai to London.


Whoa!!!

So BA is now increasing BLR to 6x pw (777) and reducing MAA significantly from 6x pw 747 to 5x pw 777 (based on online schedules available at http://www.ba.com)!

Seems like traffic out of MAA is no longer too attractive for BA. I wonder why? Any local BA/MAA experts with an opinion?
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):
So BA is now increasing BLR to 6x pw (777)

 thumbsup  Very cool!! Tickets on LHR-BLR segment was hard to come by even in so called off-season. And tickets from USA-BLR are atleast $100-200 more expensive than other european carriers like LH and AF. I wanted to fly with BA on my SEA-BLR trip, but had to forgo that option as it was more than CX by $400  Sad

Good that they are starting one more flight. Weren't they supposed to make it a daily by summer 2006? Or was it winter 2006?
 
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:54 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 5):
You echoed my sentiments exactly!! For granting MFN status and land route to Afghanistan, they want to settle Kashmir first. But for things which brings them profit, like gas pipeline or PK routes, they are willing to forget it!! Don't allow them to milk the Indian traffic till they begin to negotiate in good faith!!

IMO, increasing Pakistan's/PIA's dependence on Indian market will lead to less likelihood of another Kargil and long term peace dividends through reduction in military spending. I would like to see India grant Pakistan open access to Indian markets even if Pakistan does not reciprocate fully. Increased trade will alter the mind set on Kashmir just like it did with respect to Sikkim between India and China.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:00 pm

Can the parking bays at Indian airports accommodate A321s without decreasing parking capacity? In other words, can an A321 fit in the parking bay configured for A320/737?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:06 pm

The 12% tax - won't people get round it by buying tickets abroad...?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting Lutfi (Reply 10):
The 12% tax - won't people get round it by buying tickets abroad...?

Generally, tickets are cheaper out of India. I wonder if rules exist to prevent people from buying tickets abroad if they are Indian residents.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:42 pm

Quoting Lutfi (Reply 10):
The 12% tax - won't people get round it by buying tickets abroad...?

There'll always be some (minority) that will take this route. But most of the J/F fliers out of India will be from corporates that may not care too much about the increase, and it's possible the airlines might reduce fares slightly to offset this tax (just my hunch).

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
IMO, increasing Pakistan's/PIA's dependence on Indian market will lead to less likelihood of another Kargil and long term peace dividends through reduction in military spending. I would like to see India grant Pakistan open access to Indian markets even if Pakistan does not reciprocate fully. Increased trade will alter the mind set on Kashmir just like it did with respect to Sikkim between India and China.

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Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:59 pm

With ET it isn't exactly difficult. Plus the new IATA rules allow you to buy ticket from outside country.

So buying India-SIN-India (published fare) is same price whereever you buy it. So corporate can buy from their AMEX USA office, who issue them e-ticket.

Internet shopping - say good bye to local sales taxes.
 
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 12):
Agreed 100%! Welcome to my RU list!

Thank you for your kind words. I have added you to my RU list too.
 
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:13 pm

The trouble is that PK can barely meet internal Pakistani demand to the UK and USA. Plus, while PK might offer attractive fares would people want to fly PK? Mr Singh from Birmingham may not fly PK even if it was 50 pounds cheaper than EK. Emotions are a very strong thing, me on the other would fly whichever airline gave me the better booze and IFE! I'm a very matlabi sort of person that way.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 15):
Plus, while PK might offer attractive fares would people want to fly PK

That's PK's problem - if they are asking for the rights, I'll assume they feel there is a need  Smile. I do hope they open up tourist visas between the countries, I'd love to go to Pakistan for a holiday - having heard and read so much about their cities and the hospitable culture. I guess PK is optimistic that the the tourism sector might increase  Smile
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:37 pm

btw, Has IC painted any of it's A320s in the new colors. The signage at its BLR and MAA city office has not been changed so far. It should have been done in December itself. Let's take example of another 'sarkari' organization, Bank of Baroda. All its branches and ATMs had the new signage within days of it changing its corporate identity. If BOB could do that, why can't IC?
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Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:39 am

Another airports strike loomingover private modernization. I hope they invite bids for modernising CCU and then give AAI employees the right of first refusal at the highest bid and see if they are willing to take up the challenge. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/others/patel-airport.asp

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Talks will be held by the Minister for Civil Aviation, Mr Praful Patel with the leaders of the Airports Authority of India Joint Forum (AAIJF) in Mumbai on Saturday. This was on the background that the forum has threatened a day's mass casual leave across the country against the move to modernise and restructure the Delhi and Mumbai airports. The proposed one-day protest is likely to include all sections of the employees of Airports Authority of India (AAI), except for air traffic controllers.

AAIJF Convenor MK Ghoshal said that the Forum was not against the proposed modernisation plans of the Government. "we want the Government to entrust the proposed modernisation of the airports to us and also consider the alternative plan, which has been given to them already," he added. Earlier, the Forum's alternative plan was submitted to the Prime Minister.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:58 pm

Reaction to 12% service tax on Business/First class travel. Link:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ticleshow/msid-1434639,curpg-3.cms

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Imposition of a service tax on international business and first-class air travel is likely to see many executive-class passengers opt for the economy category, more so in the short-haul. Business and first class international fares are 3-5 times higher than economy fares. With airlines in no mood to absorb the tax, it will further widen the fare difference business and economy-class travellers. A day after the Budget, it is still unclear whether the tax will be imposed on the full list fares or the discounted ones that airlines offer to corporate travellers.

This may even force airlines to change the seat-mix between business and economy seats in international flights, say many in the industry. Generally, 30-35% of all seats in a flight are allocated to business and first class categories.
The government on Wednesday clarified that it’s the airlines’ liability to pay service tax and it doesn’t pertain to transit passengers. While the burden will be borne by the passenger, airlines have to collect the levy, account for it and pass it on to the government.

“An Indian spokesperson said the impact of the tax will be studied in detail. The airline does not wish to adjust its fares to absorb the tax cost.
An Air-India official said some passengers may now opt for economy class travel as the cost of first class and business class travel will rise significantly. “Demand for upgrades will also go up as customers will try to book economy class and get themselves upgraded to premium categories,” he added.

Several travel agents ET spoke to said that many corporate clients are already taking a relook at their international business class travel plans after the tax imposition. “In case of long haul travel like that between India and the US or London, there may not be much change in travel preferences,” said a travel agency.
 
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:21 am

Rialways may cut fare again to improve occupancy. I can not believe this is happening under Lalu's watch- I am more hopeful that Railways will remain profitable and not be a drain on the national budget. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1434736.cms

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The passenger-friendly route taken by the Indian Railways is likely to result in yet another reduction in upper class fares. The Railways is open to introducing a new round of fare reductions, if the recent drop in fares, as per the Railway Budget, does not result in adequate improvement in the occupancy of AC-I and AC-II classes.

In the Rail Budget '06-07, Union railway minister Lalu Prasad Yadav announced an 18% cut in AC-I and 10% in AC-II class fares. By doing this, the Indian Railways is hoping to improve occupancy rate of AC-I and II tier by 15-20%. At present, the occupancy level of AC-I and II classes is 47% and 58% respectively.

This is expected to result in cutting down expenditure and revenue optimisation. While the popular perception is that trains run at full capacity around the year, actually there are a number of trains, which have less than 50% occupancy throughout the year. Cut & paste' refers to the addition of coaches during peak season and the reduction of coaches during the lean season. According to the sources in the Railway Board, 'cut & paste' capacity management has played a key role in increasing supply without hiking the fares.

The upgradation scheme moves the passengers on to a higher class, whenever vacant seats are available, without posing any extra financial burden on the passengers. The scheme, now applicable on all Rajdhanis, Shatabadis and mail/express trains, is expected to give the railways an additional revenue of Rs 500 crore. To reward loyal customers, the Railways has introduced SOFT (Scheme for frequent travellers). These loyalty points are calculated at 10% of the fare paid during the lean season and 4% during the peak season.
 
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:28 am

Emirates fortifies presence in South India. Following closely on the launch of its services to Thiruvananthapuram, Emirates, one of the world's fastest growing airlines has announced its plans to start services to the Indian city of Bangalore, effective 29th October 2006. Link:
http://www.ameinfo.com/79280.html

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To Bangalore, Emirates will operate a Boeing 777-200, one of the world's most technologically advanced aircraft in a three class configuration, designed to offer high standards of comfort, luxury and style. Emirates will launch eight flights a week to Bangalore, offering a total weekly capacity of 2108 seats and 120 plus tonnes of cargo in each direction.

To Bangalore, the Dubai-based international airline will operate some of the world's most technologically advanced aircraft - the modern Airbus A330-200 and the larger capacity Boeing 777-200 - in a three class configuration, designed to offer high standards of comfort, luxury and style.

The capital city of Karnataka - Bangalore - will be Emirates' fifth destination in South India, the others being Chennai, Hyderabad, Cochin and Thiruvananthapuram. It will also be the 86th destination on Emirates' rapidly expanding network, which includes the start of services to nine new destinations in 2006.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 8):
IMO, increasing Pakistan's/PIA's dependence on Indian market will lead to less likelihood of another Kargil and long term peace dividends through reduction in military spending. I would like to see India grant Pakistan open access to Indian markets even if Pakistan does not reciprocate fully. Increased trade will alter the mind set on Kashmir just like it did with respect to Sikkim between India and China.

You are a peaceful and well-thinking human being and for that, hats off to you...but our neighbours have time and again proved that they can't keep their word....so I'm not surprised at the scepticism expressed by some on this thread....

Either way, in all fairness, if BA, LH, EK and others can try to make hay while the sun shines in India, why not PK? It remains up to Indian pax to decide whether they want to fly on a Paki carrier or not.....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 22):
Either way, in all fairness, if BA, LH, EK and others can try to make hay while the sun shines in India, why not PK?

Not when they are trying to kill your countrymen!! You can't say "I want to make money from you, but also want to send in terrorists to kill your people". Decide what you want and stick with it Smile PIA is staffed and managed by lots of ex-PA/ISI generals, so one needs to be wary of PIA. And if it was a saner country, the argument that more economic integration will bring in peace would hold good. But you can't say that about Pakistan. I would strongly advise against giving more to PIA.

And coming back to main topic, Aviation majors in race for facilities

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Domestic majors Air India, Indian Airlines, Jet Airways and Reliance are also in the fray singly or with a partner for the two awards, which are being finalised, according to BIAL. Each service is to have two operators. The special vehicle that is building the Rs 1,400-crore airport at Devanahalli has just announced IOC-combine as its ATF facility provider — which is the first of the four major facilities it has tendered out.

AI, and Jet Air-Dnata and Reliance-Worldwide Flight Services have bid for both ground and cargo handling; Indian has bid for ground handling; while AAI-MSIL combine has entered the race for cargo handling.

Ground handling has attracted 10 bidders and cargo facilities eight.

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Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:56 am

IOC group wins Bangalore airport bid

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A consortium led by Indian Oil Corporation has pipped ONGC-Total, BPCL-Shell, HPCL-Chevron and Reliance-Bechtel to bag the contract for setting up the aviation fuel supply infrastructure project at the new international airport coming up in Bangalore.

...

IDFC Private Equity to pick 8% in Delhi airport
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:45 am

Take a look at this website for Flying Returns frequent flyer program.

http://www.flyingreturns.co.in/html/index.php

Is this website run by Indian or a joint operation with Air India because I can't find a link to it from AI website.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Airish (Reply 25):

talks about points redemption on AF, but mentions LH as the only airline partner.. looks like in developmental stage..

Quoting Airish (Reply 25):
Is this website run by Indian or a joint operation with Air India because I can't find a link to it from AI website.

Whichever way, it clearly states that it is joint FFP of AI and IC. Makes sense if they have merger in mind.

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Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:35 am

A nine-member panel set up to consider the next round of airport modernization/expansion. Four out of five members to be union leaders. Kolkata and Chennai to be considered in the next round. Link:
http://www.asianage.com/main.asp?lay...2=206&newsid=211555&RF=DefaultMain

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The civil aviation ministry has constituted a nine-member committee that "will look into the issues and proposals of modernising airports by the Airports Authority of India (AAI)". The setting up of the committee had been promised by civil aviation minister Praful Patel earlier following which the AAI unions had called off their strike against privatisation last month. But an attempt has now been made by the government to keep the unions happy with union leaders comprising four out of the nine members. Four officials of the AAI are also on the committee apart from a civil aviation ministry official. The AAI's member (planning) A.K. Misra will head the committee which will also look into "employee-related issues".

The constitution of the Committee could be crucial as the modernisation of Kolkata and Chennai airports has been planned by the government "in the next round of modernisation". The modernisation bid process of Delhi and Mumbai airports that had been completed by the government recently has now been challenged in the Delhi high court by the unsuccessful bidders. Convenor of the AAI Employees' joint forum M.K. Ghoshal will also be one of the members of the committee. "We had submitted an alternate plan for modernisation of Delhi and Mumbai airports," he said.
 
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:40 am

Two new routes announced by Air Deccan. Link:
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Air Deccan announced 2 new routes it is going to start from 1 April. The first new route is Rajahmundry from Hyderabad & Vijayawada. And the second route is Tuticorin from Chennai via Madurai. The bookings for travel starting 1 April 2006 to 31 May 2006 will open on 3rd March 2006, Friday at 8:00 A.M.

Rajahmundry has never been connected by air ever and Air Deccan would be the first airline to launch flights to Rajahmundry. A 72 seater, ATR 72-500 has been deployed on Hyderabad & Vijayawada sector. A 48 seater, ATR 42-500 has been deployed on Chennai – Tuticorin sector.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Airish (Reply 25):
Take a look at this website for Flying Returns frequent flyer program.

http://www.flyingreturns.co.in/html/index.php

Is this website run by Indian or a joint operation with Air India because I can't find a link to it from AI website.

There is a drop down menu at the top of the AI website for Flying Return.
 
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:50 am

Trivandrum airport to get 3 more parking bays, at a cost of 2 crores, taking the total capacity to 11. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/airport/trivandrum-parking.asp

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Several foreign and private airlines awaiting launch flights to Thiruvananthapuram international airport will get the facility of three more parking bays. The new bays, will be built towards Shanghumugham side, will be built at a cost of Rs 2 crore. The new bays will be able to accommodate wide-bodied like the Airbus A-330. Now, there is only one bay which can accommodate wide-bodied aircraft. "After the commissioning of the new bays, the number of parking bays in Thiruvananthapuram Airport will go up from 8 to 11.
 
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:46 pm

Delays possible at the new BLR airport:

from http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_...stly+if+Delayed+by+Another+15+Days

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Bangalore, Mar 3: Eight months into construction, the spectre of delay has loomed over the Bangalore international airport (BIA) yet again. If a decision on airport expansion is not taken within 15 days, the pace of progress will be hit.

From September 2005, expansion of BIA from its planned capacity of 4.5 million passengers to 11.4 million was on the anvil. In October, Union civil aviation minister Praful Patel told the airport company - Bangalore International Airport Limited - that expansion was mandatory.

"These plans have been to be finalised soon, lest the progress will be hit," infrastructure secretary Vinay Kumar told The Times of India. Every day of delay will hit the construction work on the ground, which will soon have to be halted till the final decision is taken. The BIAL discuss the issue on March 9.

The stumbling block is the question of who will build the additional areas needed for capacity expansion. The Centre has indicated that BIAL should tender out these areas for fresh bidders.

This has caused consternation, as the largest segment of expansion is the terminal building, which Larsen and Toubro is constructing."L&T cannot construct one bit of it and ask some one else to do the rest. Design and quality is bound to change," airport sources said.

Besides, the fresh tendering process will take a few months. This may affect the scheduled airport completion date of April 2, 2008. Kumar said both factors had been taken into consideration.

"There is no question of compromising on deadline. Considering this and the physical restrictions, we are working out what and how much can be tendered out again," he said. BIAL, the Airports Authority of India and the state government, through the Karnataka State Industrial Investment Development Corporation, have each worked out their own formula.

These will have to be synchronised and cleared by the BIAL board before further construction can take off. The plus point: Financing for expansion has been worked out....
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread: Part 11

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 31):
This has caused consternation, as the largest segment of expansion is the terminal building, which Larsen and Toubro is constructing."L&T cannot construct one bit of it and ask some one else to do the rest. Design and quality is bound to change," airport sources said.

I think L&T should be awarded the expansion contract, without fresh bidding, if they are willing to charge the same rate per square feet as in the original contract.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:13 am

A little off-topic, but I read today that Hyderabad will have a new US consulate. The article mentioned that 40% of all visa applications at Chennai consulate were from Andhra Pradesh! This leads me to ask why HYD does not have as many international flights as BLR does?
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:29 am

glad to break the news!!

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Giving wings to air passengers
MUMBAI: In the near future, air passengers from India may find themselves armed with rights on the lines of the European Union norms,which force airlines to pay compensation to travellers affected by delays, over bookings or cancellations.

The Air Passengers� Association of India (APAI) has drafted guidelines to provide passengers with legal rights and will soon push for its legislation. "The matter will be taken to the consumer affairs ministry and the parliament so that it is made into a law with enough teeth to enable them to fight for their rights," said D Sudhakara Reddy, president of APAI. He added that the final draft will be ready by April end.

The Times of India
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:56 pm

Air India to raise flight frequencies from Bangladesh, launches price war. Will increase frequency to 6x weekly. Current load factor at 90%! Link:
http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=20087

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The leading Indian airline, Air India, has reduced airfares for its three destinations-Kolkata, Delhi and London-from Dhaka, triggering a price war with its competitors. The airlines officials formally announced on Thursday that the fare cuts would be up to 13 per cent for the economy class and 10 per cent for business and first classes. The airlines reduced its fare to 120 dollars from previous 138 dollars for Kolkata-Dhaka return ticket in the economy class. It also slashed return airfare for Dhaka-Delhi-Dhaka to 405 dollars from 420 dollars inclusive taxes. The London-bound passengers can purchase return tickets for 800 dollars that was 850 dollars earlier.

Air India now operates three flights weekly from Dhaka to Calcutta, Delhi and London. The Air India executive said that 20 more seats would be added immediately to its Dhaka-bound aircraft having 272 seats each now and the number of weekly flights will be raised to six. Air India restarted its flight operations in Dhaka route in June 2005 with occupancy of about 30 per cent, which has increased to more than 90 per cent now. "Good business encouraged is to increase capacity," he added.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:40 pm

AIX has announced schedules for flights to KUL from MAA. The flight IX 651 will arrive at 8.45 AM and will depart at 9.45 AM as IX 652. It will be operate on all days.

The flights are expected to commence in April 2006. Sorry, there are no links. I got this news from an AI pilot.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:10 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 36):
AIX has announced schedules for flights to KUL from MAA.

Great. More options into MAA. I hope AIX will start a daily from MAA to BKK soon. I am always able to pick up good web deals on JL/ANA to BKK from LAX.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:27 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 37):
Great. More options into MAA.

MAA-SIN-MAA is also being launched. I do not have the details. It will be operate on all days except Wednesday.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:37 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 38):
MAA-SIN-MAA is also being launched. I do not have the details. It will be operate on all days except Wednesday

Himmat did your pilot friend mention any possibilities from BOM/DEL/PNQ to the SE Asian routes.??

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 35):
The Air India executive said that 20 more seats would be added immediately to its Dhaka-bound aircraft having 272 seats each now and the number of weekly flights will be raised to six.

20 more seats added immediatly??? what does this mean, probably they will be flying the route with the ex-Varig/UA 777-200A variant, hence the increease as that aircraft is probably in UAs domestic configuration.......

Can anyone confirm this???
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:05 pm

Jet gets Ministry nod for buying Air Sahara. Link:
http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14154977

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Jet Airways has moved a step closer towards bringing Air Sahara under its fold. The Ministry of Company Affairs has given its nod to the deal. According to senior officials of the Ministry, the deal has got the nod under the Companies Act, 1956. Early this year, Jet Airways acquired Air Sahara for $500 million. As per the deal, Jet Airways would be acquiring the aircraft, equipment and slots at the airports that Air Sahara had, once cleared by the mandatory authorities.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:44 pm

I was just wondering....with BOM airport heading for major congestion in the next few years, would it make sense to convert Juhu airport into a small domestic hub? All the ATR and CRJ types operated by Jet, Sahara, IC, Deccan and others could easily land on the existing runways and this could help to take the pressure off the main BOM airport....

As such, all major cities in Europe and N.America already have two airports....why not BOM?
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:09 am

Upgradation of Delhi, Mumbai airports may cost Rs 20,000 crore. Ownership of assets to remain with government. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/airport/airport-cost.asp

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Union Minister of Civil Aviation, Mr Praful Patel, has announced in Parliament that modernization of the Mumbai and Delhi airports may require capital investments of Rs 10,000-20,000 crore. In addition, he said that an estimated capital investment of Rs 7,961 crore and Rs 6,131 crore will be required for the Delhi and Mumbai airports over a 20-year period. Patel pointed out that the figure was lower than the investment incurred at comparable international airports with world-class standards. In addition, he said that the ownership of the assets would remain with the Government, although world-class airport operators in the JV company could be involved to manage the airport.

In addition, he said that the joint venture company (JVC), taking up the developments of the two airports, is not prevented from incurring more expenditure if it was warranted by the expected traffic growth. The foreign direct investment is pegged at 49 percent, and thus, the management control of the two metro airports will remain in the hands of Indian nationals.

Also, the right of first refusal will be provided by the Government to the existing airport operators in Delhi and Mumbai in case another airport comes up in the two metros, provided four conditions are met, such as that the second airport will not be set up before the trigger point of traffic growth is met. Another condition is that the approval process for the second airport may begin five years or even earlier before the traffic trigger point is likely to be met
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:34 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 41):
All the ATR and CRJ types operated by Jet, Sahara, IC, Deccan and others could easily land on the existing runways and this could help to take the pressure off the main BOM airport....

Makes theotical sense but not at all practical sense, as the connecting flights from metros would not be able to offer convinience to the smaller cities, especially considering the likes of 9W,KF,IC,AI all have hubs at BOM and would be bothersome to provide tranfers to connecting pax to the cities like Nashik,PNQ, and other regional routes.

In the case of the LCC operations like DN its an impressive strategy that is required, first to upgrade the airport, check in , security etc....
All this just at the moment for one carrier---who does not offer connecting flights----does not make sense, maybe 7-8 yrs down the line where we will know how many carriers have actually survived.
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:01 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 33):
This leads me to ask why HYD does not have as many international flights as BLR does?

I believe the profile of travellers from AP is more "emigration" oriented (once a year or two), while BLR is more "Business travel" oriented (once every month or two). I have no statistics - this is just a hunch, and I'm happy to go through any data than corroborates/disputes this hunch  Smile

Hence the actual number of people flying in/out is much more from BLR. In addition, the IT industry is far more mature/large in BLR - hence there's a large number of inbound westerners to BLR (my recent LH flights to/from BLR were about 70-80% westerners).

These factors result in a huge demand of intl flights to/from BLR vs. HYD. It's also a matter of HYD lagging behind (though only slightly) in terms of the intl carriers. If they find their flights going full, they'll only try to increase frequencies, and other intl carriers will try to land as well.

Hence the visa interviews really don't determine the traffic (in addition keep in mind there's no indication of how many of those interviews actually result in visas).
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 44):
Hence the visa interviews really don't determine the traffic (in addition keep in mind there's no indication of how many of those interviews actually result in visas).

Good points. Would Chennai still be the counsulate for BLR? Hope they give residents of BLR a choice between MAA and HYD.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 45):
Hope they give residents of BLR a choice between MAA and HYD.

Currently Karnataka residents have the flexibility to go to any consulate for their interview - given it's a 4 month waiting list for interview dates (and more than a month for those on the Business Express Program). I think foks in BLR might still be OK with MAA, since it's about half the distance compared to HYD.
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:08 pm

I met someone from BD called Max Hunt who was in India to announce BOM-LHR going daily. He claimed that BD was seeing 70% load factors, but admitted that BA saw the highest yields on the route. There were no plans to start services into other Indian cities - well BD doesn't have the planes to start new services.
Plus, 9W is going to double daily on BOM-LHR late summer according to rumours, which is where the first A333 will be deployed. Interesting, I thought the A333 would be deployed to SE-Asia.
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 43):
Makes theotical sense but not at all practical sense, as the connecting flights from metros would not be able to offer convinience to the smaller cities, especially considering the likes of 9W,KF,IC,AI all have hubs at BOM and would be bothersome to provide tranfers to connecting pax to the cities like Nashik,PNQ, and other regional routes.

I was actually thinking of just point to point flights from BOM, which are used by BOM originating pax, business travellers, etc...that's why I mentioned the small ATR and CRJ type of aircrafts.....Mumbai has a huge population in the Western suburbs consisting of upper middle class, many of whom are business travellers....for people in South Mumbai, both the airports are almost equally accessible....

Your point about connecting pax becoming inconvenient is absolutely valid...as it is, connecting from the domestic to int'l terminals of BOM is bad enough.....

Anyways, just a thought....could become a reality in future....

PS. If the above were to become a reality, Juhu airport could become another St. Maartens, what with the proximity of the rumway to the beach!!!  smile 
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 47):
I met someone from BD called Max Hunt who was in India to announce BOM-LHR going daily

Good luck to BD. But without a very tight cooperation with *A partners ex-LHR, getting any great traffic.
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