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US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:05 am

Interesting move, but this could be a great move considering how popular LIH and KOA are becoming as destinations.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060301/law003.html?.v=44
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Thread starter):
Interesting move, but this could be a great move considering how popular LIH and KOA are becoming as destinations.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060301/l....v=44

Wasnt this announced in September/October 2005?
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:24 am

Actually back in July!

Here is part of the press release;


America West Announces Service Between Its Two Hubs and Four Islands in the Aloha State

PHOENIX, July 11, 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- America West Airlines (NYSE: AWA), the nation's second largest low-cost airline, announces new service between its Phoenix hub and four Hawaiian Islands; Honolulu, Oahu; Kahului, Maui; Lihue, Kauai; and Kona, Hawaii (the Big Island), and from its Las Vegas hub to Kahului, Maui. The service will be added for the popular holiday travel period beginning December 16, 2005 with expanded service being introduced for March 2006.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:46 am

PHX-LIH, LAS-OGG, PHX-HNL #2 begin today (March 1)

PHX-KOA begins tomorrow (March 2)

So yes, that's news, sort of.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:01 am

That is excellent news for PHX. Way to go! Aloha, US!
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:06 am

Do US fly LAS-HNL?

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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
Do US fly LAS-HNL?

No, currently only ATA and HA fly non-stop from LAS to HNL.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:07 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
Do US fly LAS-HNL?



Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 6):
No, currently only ATA and HA fly non-stop from LAS to HNL.

I could be wrong, but I believe LAS-HNL may be part of the future. Depending on the success of the PHX-HI routes and the success of the LAS-OGG route may determine if HP can compete on the LAS-HNL route. Another factor maybe our equipment. We recently lost a 757 (A/C #907 had to be returned to the lessor), so that brings us down to 12 total. I don't know what US's utilization rate on their 757s are, if there is one they could spare for an extra HNL route, but I sure hope LAS-HNL will happen in the future.

I do not have a link to provide, but I do recall a news story not too long ago detailing just how much traffic goes between Las Vegas and Hawaii (both ways), and perhaps two airlines serving HNL may not be enough.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:25 pm

We recently lost a 757 (A/C #907 had to be returned to the lessor), so that brings us down to 12 total. I don't know what US's utilization rate on their 757s are, if there is one they could spare for an extra HNL route, but I sure hope LAS-HNL will happen in the future.

You wont see any US East metal on any LAS/PHX - HNL routes until the merger is completely done..and as a side note... i was wondering where 907 went.. hadnt seen it for a while... if i recall correctly I have a photo of it with a pretty nasty bird strike to the nose cone  Smile
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:32 pm

What gate will they be using in KOA? Who will handle them there?
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:35 pm

is it my imagination, or does their schedule provide for very poor aircraft utilization? it appears there will be planes sitting on the ground on 4 different islands for 7-8 hours per day. wouldn't they be better off doing a late afternoon departure from the mainland for the redeye turnaround? that way, the aircraft could be used on other short turn routes during the daytime?
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:00 pm

Quoting Sptv (Reply 10):
is it my imagination, or does their schedule provide for very poor aircraft utilization? it appears there will be planes sitting on the ground on 4 different islands for 7-8 hours per day. wouldn't they be better off doing a late afternoon departure from the mainland for the redeye turnaround? that way, the aircraft could be used on other short turn routes during the daytime?

You're right, the a/c utilization rate sucks on our HI flights, the problem is, in order to maximize pax revenue, they have to schedule the flights to correlate with the heavy banks in PHX and LAS. Both flights to HNL and OGG get in around 1530, and don't leave until midnight. This is to get the aircraft into PHX by 0830 to feed the large 0930-1000 east coast bank that PHX has. It doesn't do us a whole lot of good to quick turn the flights in HI and have them get into PHX at 0100 when there are no other departures. Hell, even in LAS, the last red-eye is sked to leave 2359.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:05 pm

then why not keep the mainland-bound flights as is, but adjust the island-bound flights (leave PHX around 5p or so instead of early in the day). planes would be available for short turns out of PHX from 9a to 3p or so.
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:11 pm

Quoting Sptv (Reply 12):
then why not keep the mainland-bound flights as is, but adjust the island-bound flights (leave PHX around 5p or so instead of early in the day). planes would be available for short turns out of PHX from 9a to 3p or so.

I don't know the PHX sked as well as LAS, but I do know their morning banks are the largest. They have some east coast inbounds around 1500 (give or take an hour), but the largest chunk of traffic that would potentially feed HI comes would take place in the morning, thus making the 1125 PHX departure ideal.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:43 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
You're right, the a/c utilization rate sucks on our HI flights, the problem is, in order to maximize pax revenue,

This brings up a ? I've been wondering about. Does anyone have the revenue statistics so far for the PHX-Hawaii flights. Specifically, what is the average Revenue % versus non-Revenue % for the flights to date.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting Sptv (Reply 12):
then why not keep the mainland-bound flights as is, but adjust the island-bound flights (leave PHX around 5p or so instead of early in the day). planes would be available for short turns out of PHX from 9a to 3p or so.

Nobody wants to arrive in Hawaii at 8pm (after dark). Your idea could work, but it would make the Hawaii flight less desirable.
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:15 pm

Didn't America West serve PHX-HNL-NGO? Do they still have rights to that second leg?
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
Didn't America West serve PHX-HNL-NGO? Do they still have rights to that second leg?

Long time ago when we had the 747s. I don't know if we still have the rights to serve NGO, but also, I don't think 1) our 757s have the range to go HNL-NGO, and 2) our current fleet of a 757s could sustain it (we're short on 757s as is, already having to downgrade a huge amount of our routes that should be 757s to airbuses just to support HI)
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:46 pm

If we do still have the rights to it, is there any advantage in keeping it? Would there be any benefit in dropping it? Would any other airline be interested?
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
You're right, the a/c utilization rate sucks on our HI flights

It's a problem for many airlines that fly to Hawaii - the planes arrive in the afternoon from the mainland but don't typically depart until 8 PM or later. That's one of the major reasons why CO built a hanger in HNL - they maximize on the downtime and do maintenance on their 764 fleet while they're sitting between flights. It's probably more expensive to do it there rather than in other parts of the world, but it's convenient and works well for scheduling.
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 19):
It's a problem for many airlines that fly to Hawaii - the planes arrive in the afternoon from the mainland but don't typically depart until 8 PM or later. That's one of the major reasons why CO built a hanger in HNL - they maximize on the downtime and do maintenance on their 764 fleet while they're sitting between flights.

This question comes to mind - how does HNL have enough gates? With so many airlines flying in and staying for many hours at a time, they really need a ton of gates to accomodate everyone. Yet the photos I've seen of HNL seem to suggest there are maybe 30-40 gates at the most. Is this accurate? Is it sufficient? Do many aircraft get taken off a gate to a remote pad and then brought back in when ready for departure?
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 16):
Didn't America West serve PHX-HNL-NGO? Do they still have rights to that second leg?

I believe those rights were sold off long ago to NW for around $10m.
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Av8rPHX (Reply 8):
You wont see any US East metal on any LAS/PHX - HNL routes until the merger is completely done

I believe the ALPA agreement does permit US East metal on one Hawaii run should they need to move a plane around. Just like US West can have a couple Europe runs.
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 20):
This question comes to mind - how does HNL have enough gates? With so many airlines flying in and staying for many hours at a time, they really need a ton of gates to accomodate everyone. Yet the photos I've seen of HNL seem to suggest there are maybe 30-40 gates at the most. Is this accurate? Is it sufficient? Do many aircraft get taken off a gate to a remote pad and then brought back in when ready for departure?

Most airlines (DL, UA, AA, NW, HA) do not leave their planes sitting in HNL for more than 2 or 3 hours. Most make it work by using redeyes and by turning the daytime flights around for an evening arrival on the mainland, which is the scheduel HA and AQ use for almost all their mainalnd flights. Also, to optimize timings I know DL sends aircraft back to different cities than they came from.

HNL does have more thane nough gates for the amount of flights we get, plus there are remote stands available where gates 1-5 would be past the Diamond Head Councourse.

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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 6):
No, currently only ATA and HA fly non-stop from LAS to HNL

As does OAI with both DC-10 and 752 equipment.. World Airways used to fly the route with a MD-11, and Delta used to fly the route with an L1011, one stop in Los Angeles. Aloha may have flown the route nonstop at one time or another. Back in the day America West flew the route with a 747!

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
If we do still have the rights to it, is there any advantage in keeping it?

They were handed over to NWA with a check in return!  wink 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 9):
What gate will they be using in KOA? Who will handle them there?

HP945 (PHX-KOA) will arrive at gate 4, HP944 (KOA-PHX) will depart gate 3. AQ is handling all operations.

I was hired by AQ and have been in HP training the last three weeks to work these flights. Today is finally the day!

It has been very interesting as we have had computer problems the entire time since we are trying to piggy back AQ's computers. As of now, HP only has one of their own computers at the counter. The kiosks should be arriving later this month.

HP has told us that everything should be working by tonight and judging by what we saw last night with our mock flight, it looks as if all the bugs should be worked out.

I'm going to take some pictures today, I'll be sure to post them tonight or tomorrow.
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:43 am

Not a great start today... plane was only booked 67/190 for PHX-KOA!! First class wasn't even full! There were also 17 nonrevs, I bet they were happy!
 
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RE: US To Start PHX To LIH And KOA

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 26):
Not a great start today... plane was only booked 67/190 for PHX-KOA!! First class wasn't even full! There were also 17 nonrevs, I bet they were happy!

Yeah, the loads are extremely light until 18MAR (177 last I looked.) The loads look way better after this.

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