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Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:03 pm

Boeing has enbarked on yet another mile stone by taking the first formal step for the replacement of the B737, by appointing key personnel to the internal study, which will be known as (737RS).

The team will be lead by Mike Cave the current Beeing Commercial Airplanes (BCA) with a target date of 2012-2015 for the succesor of the B737NG.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...acement+studies+by+appointing.html


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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:08 pm

'The RS/Y1 concept is likely to be based around an all-composite 787-like structure, fly-by-wire, more-electric system architecture, EVS-integrated avionics flightdeck, and a cabin cross-section “wider than A320”. Aerodynamic improvements include a wing of increased span, single-slotted flaps, raked and blended-winglet wingtip options, blended fin root and 787-like Section 41 (nose) and flightdeck.'

They might as well call it 787-200. Here they come Airbus, watch out.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:13 pm

I guess Airbus has something up their sleeve about upgrading A320 series...

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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 2):
I guess Airbus has something up their sleeve about upgrading A320 series...

I bet they do. This will be one of the interesting fights of the next decade to see who comes up on top. Can't wait for the battle  bouncy 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:37 pm

If you read further in the article,

[In December last year, BCA chief executive Alan Mulally, said a replacement for the narrowbody would enter service between 2012 and 2015, which has now been accelerated in a bid to beat Airbus]


So it looks like EIS could be sooner

[Edited 2006-03-02 14:48:29]
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:45 pm

Wow, I am salivating at the chance to fly either the A320NG or B737RS.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:52 pm

The availibility of suitable new generation engines will in part dictate the service entry of this plane, same goes for a A320NG.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
Can't wait for the battle

Normally I find the whole A vs B thing distasteful but in this case it will be interesting. My guess is that it will come down to price as the two types will be equally matched in size and performance. Boeing should have a slight boost as this will be their second "composite" aircraft, But Airbus will have it's A400M knowlage to help.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:09 pm

Great post and an excellent article. Thanks Wings!
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 7):
Normally I find the whole A vs B thing distasteful but in this case it will be interesting.

I think it's only distasteful here on A.net but the actual competition between the 2 manufacturers is fun. A. netters make up their own stuff based on personal preferences and claim they are facts.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:12 pm



Nice looking bird.

According to the article a formal launch is not expected until 2008. This should allow a good time frame for more eventaul improvements and technologies.

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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:23 pm

The race for the next-generation bread-and-butter aircraft, the "Golf"-class of the air, has been opened. Thanks for posting the link. Interesting that the article mentioned that the next project after this will be replacing the 777. That would logically happen between 2015-20 then. I always thought Boeing wanted a joint 747/777 replacement. That was at least what Boeing itself said up until now.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:32 pm

787 says: "lets call it MINI-ME"  Smile
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 10):
Nice looking bird.

I had similar thoughts, until I read this :

Quote:
a Flight International artist's impression of which is pictured below

So, it isn't from Boeing.  Smile

I found it interesting that the fuselage will be widened so that the diameter is greater than that of the A320. Should Airbus widen their fuselage as well, we are back to where we started.  Wink

I hope neither Airbus nor Boeing make it wide enough to allow for a 7th seat to be installed in each row. I would much prefer the comfort of having some extra room.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:47 pm

What is so special about the picture? It is the most standard looking aircraft ever...
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 1):
Here they come Airbus, watch out.



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 2):
I guess Airbus has something up their sleeve about upgrading A320 series...

Hmm, I remember once when Airbus was designing this new, much more advanced airplane, and Boeing had something up their sleeve about upgrading the 737, how did that turn out?

It's basically a miracle 737-300/400/500 sold as well as it did against A320, because even is 737 was/is on some routes cheaper to run, it's a generation behind in technology (except the engines, which are basically common between A320 and 737). 737-600/700/800/900 competes well against A320, actually besting their airbus in some aspects, but it debuted a decade after A320.

Moral of the story, if all airbus has up their sleeve is refitting A320 with a slightly refined wing, a few weight saving materials, and new engines, they better watch out, because an all composite, ground up new 787 style 737 replacement is just going to be better. Just like A320 was against 737-300/400/500

Quoting NA (Reply 11):
I always thought Boeing wanted a joint 747/777 replacement. That was at least what Boeing itself said up until now.

They do want to replace jointly 777/747, but so far as Boeing sees it, 777 has a lot of life left in it. I would be very surprised if 777-300ER was the last 777 we saw. Also, 777-200 is being replaced, effectively, by 787-10.

I'm guessing we'll see Y3 not that far after Y1.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 14):
What is so special about the picture? It is the most standard looking aircraft ever...

Check out the nose and the grazed edges on the engines. I wouldn't call that standard since there's in no aircraft flying today with those features. Like I said earlier, they might as well call it the 787-200.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:12 am

I find it interesting that Boeing made this announcment after Airbus announce that the A350 EIS would be delayed due cockpit changes. This now puts pressure on Airbus to commit engineering talent to the A320 replacement, at the cost of the A350..may be. Boeing could enjoy another 2 to 3 years lead on Airbus with there 737 replacement.  checkeredflag 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 13):
I hope neither Airbus nor Boeing make it wide enough to allow for a 7th seat to be installed in each row.

The B737RS will not seat 7 abreast because to do so would require the cabin width of the B767.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 2):
I guess Airbus has something up their sleeve about upgrading A320 series...

This is not good news for Airbus. The A320/737 matchup is the only matchup that Airbus has a clear winner (and one of it's few competitive products given the A330/A340 collapse last year). That's not a bad thing, they basically have the Civic of the skies.

The timing is especially bad for Airbus in that they have a A380 model that has failed to catch fire, a A330/A340 family that is dying against the 777 and a 350 that is still being outordered by the 787. Airbus is having to revamp it's entire product line in reaction.

Boeing is going to have a few steps on Airbus technology wise from the 777 and 787. In particular some of the composite body technology and the maintainence technology is going to be critical for Boeing and Airbus is going to have to catch up to be competitive with this plane on the drawing board.

Boeing also has a bit "weirder" technologies they could look at for this project, namely the BWB, and the double hull design they were looking at.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:39 am

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 13):
I found it interesting that the fuselage will be widened so that the diameter is greater than that of the A320. Should Airbus widen their fuselage as well, we are back to where we started.

I hope neither Airbus nor Boeing make it wide enough to allow for a 7th seat to be installed in each row. I would much prefer the comfort of having some extra room.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
The B737RS will not seat 7 abreast because to do so would require the cabin width of the B767.

It will be wide enough to have two aisles, right? I thought that WN was pushing for this.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 7):
Boeing should have a slight boost as this will be their second "composite" aircraft, But Airbus will have it's A400M knowlage to help.

I'm not sure that the composite technology taken rom the A400M program will translate all that well or provide the advantages Airbus would be looking for. Rather, I predict that we'll see the current A320 fuselage redone in Aluminum-Lithium.

[Edited 2006-03-02 17:01:33]
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:41 am

I think Airbus should think long and hard how to compete in this market segment. The B737 and A320 replacement must provide a huge improvement in operating cost before it makes any sense. There will probably be a lot of new "inexpensive " aircrafts produced in low cost areas by 2015 that these new products have to compete with. Can a new B737 replacement give a better net present value for the airlines than an A320 made in China? Or B737/A320 Size aircraft made in Russia for half the price?

Based on this I do not think that a new B737 or A320 will be a popular as the respective models as they are replacing.
 
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Boeing has confirmed that other leaders of the team will include marketing vice-president Kent Fisher

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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:50 am

Airbus should re-engine the A320 by 2010 and develop a replacement once the Boeing product is known to the public in detail to be able to answer with a an even better product, like Boeing did when they brought the 777 after Airbus introduced the A340/330. I have the feeling Airbus isn´t doing enough to keep the A320 fresh past 2010. Their engines are 80s technology.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting NA (Reply 23):
Airbus should re-engine the A320 by 2010 and develop a replacement once the Boeing product is known to the public in detail to be able to answer with a an even better product, like Boeing did when they brought the 777 after Airbus introduced the A340/330.

Not sure if that's a good idea. Slapping some new engines on the A320 is not a solution, short term or long term. They'll just spend a bunch of money for nothing. Boeing never re-engined the 767 after Airbus went ahead with the A330/A340. They continued their plans with the 777 and look at where they're at now. Maybe Airbus should do the same. A couple of years late might not be that bad...just ask Boeing as far the 777 goes. Just my  twocents 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 19):
This is not good news for Airbus. The A320/737 matchup is the only matchup that Airbus has a clear winner (and one of it's few competitive products given the A330/A340 collapse last year). That's not a bad thing, they basically have the Civic of the skies.

How about 767 vs a332? BTW the a330 had one of its best years last year. It was the a340 that collapsed. And who says Airbus won't be able to compete the next generation? They have said they are also already studying an a320 replacement. (At the Dubai airshow IIRC)

Quoting Joost (Reply 14):
It is the most standard looking aircraft ever.

Even more than the 787?  duck 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 1):
The RS/Y1 concept is likely to be based around an all-composite 787-like structure, fly-by-wire, more-electric system architecture, EVS-integrated avionics flightdeck, and a cabin cross-section “wider than A320”. Aerodynamic improvements include a wing of increased span, single-slotted flaps, raked and blended-winglet wingtip options, blended fin root and 787-like Section 41 (nose) and flightdeck.'

They might as well call it 787-200. Here they come Airbus, watch out.

More likely the 797-200, but I think you have it scoped pretty well. Particularly about the wide cabin. Boeing learned that lesson when the 720 came out before the DC-8 and it ate Boeing's lunch for a while. Also witness the number of seats in the 787s.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 4):
So it looks like EIS could be sooner

Changing 2012-2015 to 2011-2014 doesn't change anything.

It will be 2012. Mark my words. Unless flight testing schedules are delayed on any other programs, Boeing has resources and a window to EIS in 2012. Launch in 2008, once flight testing of 787 is nearly complete, so lessons mostly learned. Design freeze 2009 after 787 EIS, to assimilate other 787 lessons before lock.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 25):

Even more than the 787? :duck:

Haha yes  Smile The 787 at least had a shark tail - oh wait, that feature was gone in the final design.

I just fail to feel any exitement by a drawing like this. A 380, a 747, a E190, a MD-11 - here I can see something special. But a 787 or 350 - mmm
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:57 am

I think Airbus might be working on a 320 upgrade & Boeing concluded another upgrade on the 737 won't do the trick.

Hopefully the 737NG sales will hold on with healthy margins in the next 6 to 9 years... Thinking about it, better make that 6 yrs.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 2):
guess Airbus has something up their sleeve about upgrading A320 series...

Now that doesn't surprise me coming from an Airbus fanatic like you! LOL!! The A320 is ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY in comparison to the B787. That is like saying that the A350, which will be nothing more than an upgraded A330 - again based on a design layed down during the Age of Aquarius - is such a world beating slaughter house that Boeing better just pack it in.

It is Airbus that better get off its A** and design a new aircraft rather than trot out these antiques in new skin. The B737 replacement will undoubtably be an off-shoot of the B787 program. Thus it will be kin to the most cutting edge technology in the commercial market. I guess Airbus should produce a shortened version of the A380 with 150 seats as their answer!!!  box 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:38 am

Its nice to see the 797 start to build steam.

I just wonder how many threads will be started with titles like this. . .

"Will the 737RS be renamed the 797?"

"Who thinks it should stay the 737RS"

"Which is better, 737RS or 797?"
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 31):
Its nice to see the 797 start to build steam.

I just wonder how many threads will be started with titles like this. . .

"Will the 737RS be renamed the 797?"

"Who thinks it should stay the 737RS"

"Which is better, 737RS or 797?"

I definately favor the 797.

Quoting NA (Reply 11):
I always thought Boeing wanted a joint 747/777 replacement. That was at least what Boeing itself said up until now.



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 15):
They do want to replace jointly 777/747, but so far as Boeing sees it, 777 has a lot of life left in it. I would be very surprised if 777-300ER was the last 777 we saw. Also, 777-200 is being replaced, effectively, by 787-10.

Not exactly. The "new" Boeing line will eventually look like this. 797, 787, 777, 747-8.


http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives/2006/01/future_tense.html
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 20):
It will be wide enough to have two aisles, right?

Very unlikely. One wide aisle allows for faster embarkation and disembarkation than two narrow aisles.

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 20):
I thought that WN was pushing for this.

WN are pushing for increased aisle width for faster turns. Dividing in half whatever aisle space is available would slow everything down.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 33):
WN are pushing for increased aisle width for faster turns. Dividing in half whatever aisle space is available would slow everything down.

That's very true. The aisle on a 737 is quite tight. If someone needs to come forward because they can't get their bag in the overhead bin or an F/A needs to go against the flow, it is very problematic.

Even 6 more inches of aisle width would do wonders in this situation.

18" x 6 seats + 24" aisle would be a strong single aisle design, and wide enough to take proper cargo containers downstairs if done in an oval design like the 787.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 16):
Check out... the grazed edges on the engines. I wouldn't call that standard since there's in no aircraft flying today with those features.

I am going to assume that you meant "chevron" and not "grazed edges." If that is the case, you will find that feature on the CRJ-700/900.

Some questions that come to mind from looking at the FI "interpretation"...

- The engine fan casing doesn't seem large enough... CFM President said at the Paris Airshow that the next gen of narrow body engines would not fit under even the A320's wing.

- The v-stab is too large... and perhaps the h-stab and wings as well considering the technologies that the aircraft will embody.

It almost looks like that all that FI did for their interpretation pic is go to this Boeing 787 pic and added blended winglets...

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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 29):
Hopefully the 737NG sales will hold on with healthy margins in the next 6 to 9 years... Thinking about it, better make that 6 yrs.

The US Navy could order up to 100 of them in various guises over the next decade or more, so that alone should keep the 737 line running until the "797" is available and, like the 707 (and perhaps 767), keep the project in production even after the commercial successor has been introduced.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 36):
The US Navy could order up to 100 of them in various guises over the next decade or more

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Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 36):
so that alone should keep the 737 line running

for 4-6 months.

the 727 sold well through 757 eis. the 737-classic sold well through 737NG eis. it's more the expensive widebodies that people tend to wait for.
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:16 am

Glad to know that pic is not from Boeing. If it had been, I'd say its the plainest looking bird ever. Nothing like the evil grin of the 737...
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting CruzinAltitude (Reply 31):
Its nice to see the 797 start to build steam.

I just wonder how many threads will be started with titles like this. . .

"Will the 737RS be renamed the 797?"

"Who thinks it should stay the 737RS"

"Which is better, 737RS or 797?"

How about threads of what it will be called? I'm guessing it's going to have "...liner" in the name as with the Dreamliner and Worldliner...
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:36 am

About the A320 improvements, what would it represent to develop a new composite keel for the A32x series, as was done for the A345-346, in term of gains, and difficulty of implementation?
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 37):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 36):
The US Navy could order up to 100 of them in various guises over the next decade or more

Just out of Curiosity, what for??

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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 41):
About the A320 improvements, what would it represent to develop a new composite keel for the A32x series, as was done for the A345-346, in term of gains, and difficulty of implementation?

The gains from increasing the strength-to-weight ratio are proportionally smaller for smaller aircraft (and other structures), but the development costs would be nearly the same. Of course, those development costs would be spread out over a larger number of airframes, but the prices are lower too. My guess (and hope) is that Airbus will opt for a clean-sheet design.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 37):
Just out of Curiosity, what (does the USN need so many 73Gs) for??

The P-8 MMA (Multimission Maritime Aircraft) which, as Planemaker noted, will replace the P-3 Orion. The 737-700C is also the basis for the C-40 Clipper Unique Fleet Essential Airlift Replacement Aircraft.

There is also the 737-700 AEW platform (the "Wedgetail" used by the RAAF).

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 38):
(Such a USN order would keep the 737 line open) for 4-6 months.

That assumes the current production rate of some 30 frames per month, of course. Considering how Boeing can keep the 767 line going with not even a single frame per month, a production rate of only a few planes a month would not be difficult to sustain, especially since it's a moving assembly line and the military planes probably generate more profit per frame then the commercial ones.

Of course, it is highly unlikely the 737 program will stop securing commercial orders at anytime in the next four to five years, so Boeing can continue to tailor production output to demand as needed to keep the line viable.  Smile
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 43):
Quoting Aircellist (Reply 41):About the A320 improvements, what would it represent to develop a new composite keel for the A32x series, as was done for the A345-346, in term of gains, and difficulty of implementation?

The gains from increasing the strength-to-weight ratio are proportionally smaller for smaller aircraft (and other structures), but the development costs would be nearly the same. Of course, those development costs would be spread out over a larger number of airframes, but the prices are lower too. My guess (and hope) is that Airbus will opt for a clean-sheet design.

Thanks, Zvezda.

I suppose they will go for a clean sheet as well. I was wondering if such a composite keel is something we may see as an interim improvement ? How much time would it take to be developed, and how much would it cost, for how many remaining years of production, and how many airframes? On the other hand, could it provide a weight advantage to the A32x over the 73x ?
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 44):
That assumes the current production rate of some 30 frames per month, of course. Considering how Boeing can keep the 767 line going with not even a single frame per month, a production rate of only a few planes a month would not be difficult to sustain, especially since it's a moving assembly line and the military planes probably generate more profit per frame then the commercial ones.

Of course, it is highly unlikely the 737 program will stop securing commercial orders at anytime in the next four to five years, so Boeing can continue to tailor production output to demand as needed to keep the line viable.

IIRC, a second assembly line is being started at Renton (in space formerly occupied by the 757 assembly line) for the P-8 MMA program and other military variants of the 737. Once civil variant production volume drops to a low enough level, it can be easily accommodated on this line as well, and the current 737 assembly line can then be used for assembly/production of the 737(RS).
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 46):
IIRC, a second assembly line is being started at Renton (in space formerly occupied by the 757 assembly line) for the P-8 MMA program and other military variants of the 737. Once civil variant production volume drops to a low enough level, it can be easily accommodated on this line as well, and the current 737 assembly line can then be used for assembly/production of the 737(RS).

I believe government regulations require that the military versions be built on a separate line so that they can be sure that whatever they paid is not being spent on something else. For private companies, it is good enough to negotiate a price for a specfic deliverable. Governments must impose additional inefficiencies.
 
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 47):
I believe government regulations require that the military versions be built on a separate line so that they can be sure that whatever they paid is not being spent on something else. For private companies, it is good enough to negotiate a price for a specfic deliverable.

Wasn't the KC-10 built on the same assembly/production line as the DC-10/MD-11, AWACS and other military variants with 707 fuselages on the 707 line, the P-3 on the same line as the L-188 Electra?
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RE: Boeing Firms Up 737 Replacement Studies.

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 47):
I believe government regulations require that the military versions be built on a separate line so that they can be sure that whatever they paid is not being spent on something else. For private companies, it is good enough to negotiate a price for a specfic deliverable. Governments must impose additional inefficiencies.

I dunno, were the E-3 and E-6 produced on different lines?
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