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F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:42 am

It has not been announced yet, but since yesterday, Travelocity has been selling seats on Frontier DEN/YYC.

The news was broken two days ago by Mr. Beddoe of Westjet in Calgary. He didn't name the city, but did talk of a potential code share between Westjet and Frontier.

That article may require registration, but it is confirmed in the Denver Post who expect an official announcement of YYC today:

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_3560005

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:53 am

Interesting.

I checked Travelocity for June 6th (random date) and it shows Frontier flights 4340 and 4342 DEN-YYC...both on CRJ 700's...I'm guessing Horizon is going to do this one for them...

They don't say operated by Frontier Jet Express/Horizon Air though...
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 1):
They don't say operated by Frontier Jet Express/Horizon Air though...

I guess Travelocity jumped the gun. I think they weren't supposed to load the flights until after the announcement, and it is just the basic info.

I found the flights listed yesterday, but when I went to the "Flexible Dates" feature - their cheapest fares - Frontier wasn't there.

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:03 am

They are loaded on Amadeus.net. I checked out in August just to throw a date out there...but here's the schedule

DEN-YYC

Flight Departing Arriving Stops /
Aircraft Duration Operational days
Frontier Airlines
F9 4340 Denver International (DEN), Denver, Colorado, USA 08:15
Calgary Int'l (YYC), Calgary, Alberta, Canada 10:45
Non-stop
CR7 2h30min Daily

Frontier Airlines
F9 4342 Denver International (DEN), Denver, Colorado, USA 21:25
Calgary Int'l (YYC), Calgary, Alberta, Canada 23:55
Non-stop
CR7 2h30min Daily

YYC-DEN

Flight Departing Arriving Stops /
Aircraft Duration Operational days
Frontier Airlines
F9 4345 Calgary Int'l (YYC), Calgary, Alberta, Canada 06:30
Denver International (DEN), Denver, Colorado, USA 08:45
Non-stop
CR7 2h15min Daily

Frontier Airlines
F9 4343 Calgary Int'l (YYC), Calgary, Alberta, Canada 11:15
Denver International (DEN), Denver, Colorado, USA 13:40
Non-stop
CR7 2h25min Daily

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:15 am

Those CR7's look like they're coming from the DEN-AUS routing. Nothing but 319 service for random dates in August.

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 4):
Those CR7's look like they're coming from the DEN-AUS routing.

That's interesting, I hadn't realized that about DEN/AUS - but I'm pleased to see it.

Several other Frontier stations are moving to mainline during the summer.

DEN/GEG goes mainline in late May. In late June, DEN/DAY goes mainline and at the end of August, DEN/TUS becomes mainline.

So my guess would be that we will see a second Canadian route in June. I'm voting for YVR, to connect with the Alaska cruise ships.

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:56 am

The press release is out:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060302/lath082.html?.v=45

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:05 am

The scheduling is interesting for the Horizon-operated CR7's -- great equipment utilization but the 7-hour ground time probably means that crews on the terminator/originator will have a 31-hour layover in YYC.

This seems like a smart move for F9, given the ties between the oil and gas industries in both cities, as well as the fact that the lowest advance purchase fares currently available (before Frontier's entry) are well over $200 each way for the 900 mile segment, or over 20 cents per mile.
 
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:27 am

Great news! After working here for a couple of years, perhaps it's time for me to finally use my benefits and take my first pleasure trip!  Smile

I think it's great that we're opening the route with JetExpress. As usual, once our traffic on the route builds up, I'm sure the equipment will be upgraded as other former JetEx. cities have seen.

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:43 am

When would any Westjet codeshare be announced?
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
The scheduling is interesting for the Horizon-operated CR7's -- great equipment utilization but the 7-hour ground time probably means that crews on the terminator/originator will have a 31-hour layover in YYC.

Scott and Mariner, I'll be heading out there in May for the start up, so I'll try to get some initial and inagural pictures from the ramp. I'm excited for the city, and am looking for the chance to see YYC and all it's bounty, but not for the 2 1/2 hour RJ trip.  drool 

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:54 am

I bet these flights go mainline pretty quick.
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 11):
I bet these flights go mainline pretty quick.

DLKAPA, we can only hope, at least for the sake of my..... butthead 

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 7):
The scheduling is interesting for the Horizon-operated CR7's -- great equipment utilization but the 7-hour ground time probably means that crews on the terminator/originator will have a 31-hour layover in YYC.

Unless the crew arriving in the morning (1045) from Denver overnights for the 0630 departure as they would have flown already that day. The late night arriving crew (2355) takes the 1045 flight. Still a good amount of time on the ground.

I know when I would fly to BOI last summer, a crew change would happen for flight arriving in the morning. They had similiar flight times at that point. I guess the question is would they cross-utilize them on QXE metal?
 
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
When would any Westjet codeshare be announced?

Sometimes I can access the article, and sometimes it asks for registration:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...301.RTICKERMAIN01/TPStory/Business

But this is the relevant paragraph (last sentence). "Mr. Beddoe" is Clive Beddoe, the Westjet CEO::

"Mr. Beddoe also welcomed Frontier Airlines Inc., the Denver-based low-cost carrier, to the Canadian skies. Frontier is expected to confirm as early as tomorrow that it will soon start Denver-Calgary service, pitting it against Elk Grove, Ill.-based UAL Inc.'s United Airlines Inc. and UAL's regional partner, SkyWest Inc. Frontier could become a WestJet partner once the Calgary airline boots up its new reservations system next year to allow for strategic alliances."

There is also a reference to it in the Denver Post article linked in the first post.

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
But this is the relevant paragraph (last sentence). "Mr. Beddoe" is Clive Beddoe, the Westjet CEO::

Mariner, thanks.

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:31 pm

Stupid question.....

Their press release says...

"Frontier to be First American Low Cost Carrier to Serve Canada With New Flights to Calgary"

America West / US Airways has been flying to Canada for quite some time....
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:39 pm

This is great news for F9. I was expecting F9 to start YYC as the first city in Canada. Any guesses to what the next city would be? My guess would be YVR or YEG. Regina is a longshot IMO. Again, great to see an LCC from the US start up Canadian ops.

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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:51 pm

Quoting Ytib (Reply 13):
Unless the crew arriving in the morning (1045) from Denver overnights for the 0630 departure as they would have flown already that day. The late night arriving crew (2355) takes the 1045 flight. Still a good amount of time on the ground.

I know when I would fly to BOI last summer, a crew change would happen for flight arriving in the morning. They had similiar flight times at that point. I guess the question is would they cross-utilize them on QXE metal?

They could also make this a "high speed" turn, which essentially means that it's all one duty period. This means that they are not required to give them FAA minimum rest at the destination (in this case, YYC). Basically, they would check in at 2025 and be released from duty at 0915. This would be a 12hr 50min duty day. many regional airlines schedule these late flights this way. They still have to provide hotel rooms but they pay less in trip rigs and per diem this way.
 
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 16):
America West / US Airways has been flying to Canada for quite some time....

Neither of them started flying to Canada as an LCC. They are merely transforming the New US Airways into something resembling an LCC.
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RE: F9/YYC - Westjet Code Share To Come?

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
This is great news for F9. I was expecting F9 to start YYC as the first city in Canada. Any guesses to what the next city would be? My guess would be YVR or YEG. Regina is a longshot IMO. Again, great to see an LCC from the US start up Canadian ops.

I'd bet on YEG being next, with YEG third. Alberta is booming. However, I do think YQR and YXE will eventually be on F9's route map and YWG too. At some point they'll go east to YYZ/YOW/YUL.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 18):
They could also make this a "high speed" turn, which essentially means that it's all one duty period. This means that they are not required to give them FAA minimum rest at the destination (in this case, YYC). Basically, they would check in at 2025 and be released from duty at 0915. This would be a 12hr 50min duty day. many regional airlines schedule these late flights this way. They still have to provide hotel rooms but they pay less in trip rigs and per diem this way.

Airlines do this all the time, as like ASFlyer said especially regionals. Isn't the maximum duty day 16 hours? So at just under 13 hrs there is still considerable time available to take a delay.

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