RAFVC10
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Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:41 am

Is understood that Iberia, its regional franchisee partner Air Nostrum and Iberworld, the Iberostar group airline, are in talks to create a new LCC based in Barcelona and using some 320's.

What's your opinion about it? Any future to this joint venture?

Could Vueling comprise this negotiations?
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:12 am

Good for them- Spain is a huge market for leisure passengers- they'd do well on UK and German routes if they stay competitive with other airlines.
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:28 am

Vueling is killing IB's yields in BCN thanks to its lower cost structure that allows them to offer lower fares. If IB wants to compete against all LCC's serving BCN, they better keep the new airline totally independent from the parent. If not, I see a dark future for it...
 
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:11 am

They could buy Song...

On a serious note, sounds like a trend of Song/Ted. Doubt it will work.
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
Is understood that Iberia, its regional franchisee partner Air Nostrum and Iberworld, the Iberostar group airline, are in talks to create a new LCC based in Barcelona and using some 320's

IB wants taking part in it, but with a minor role. Mullor has already said a percentage about 30% (maximum) on the new company.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
What's your opinion about it?

My opinion is that IB doesn't make up its mind; yesterday said one thing, today another different. Iberia 6 months ago was determined to buy VY or create a new, wholly-owned LCC subsidiary. Today they are saying "no more than 30%"

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
Any future to this joint venture?

Future it has as Iberostar and Air Nostrum are delighted and there is money/capital (more even than necessary) to start up this task. If it has success, Vueling could be in a tight spot. Who knows...

Quoting Rojo (Reply 2):
Vueling is killing IB's yields in BCN

Don't you think this statement is a bit exaggerated? I'd like to answer you with a question: How many times is IB bigger than VY? Most certainly, IB has decreased ops out BCN but the exact figure is a 5% by comparison with the last Winter. No more ...although it is not a tiny figure. IB can not decreasing more in order to avoid hand over valuable slots in the Spain's second airport. But it's clear IB is beating for Madrid-Barajas just as VY does as well.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 2):
...thanks to its lower cost structure that allows them to offer lower fares.

Being, generally speaking, the cost structure an issue itself --especially when we are talking the staff cost about ...unfortunately for the people who are working by a low-cost airline-- I'm going tell you IB is paying a lower fuel cost than VY.

This matter is interesting. We must wait for seeing what happen in a short-term ...and not only in Spain but also in Mexico with those new airlines arriving right now.

[Edited 2006-03-03 01:40:55]
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:44 am

For the time being there are not only trying to cut but trying to get more money at all costs.
-They began by seting the pay service on board, that's ok....
-Then the 807 (premium rate) to get help to book on website or to ask for bookings, changes and refunds
-Then the fuel surcharge which is getting ridiculous as final price doubles the air fare price
-Then they stopped sending the Iberia Plus magazine to non-elite members (which is great as long as e-mail keeps on working)
-Now they change the Iberia Plus service center from a Madrid local number to a 807 premium number and apply a fee to book FF flights (5€ web, 10€ phone and 15€ airport office)
Last cr*p I heard is they are not using the IFE in narrow bodies because the screens can get broken because of use and would be expensive to fix them...

Well, I don't know where they're going but I know for sure I'm not going with them
 
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Aisak (Reply 5):
I don't know where they're going but I know for sure I'm not going with them

It is true: IB lately is pretty miser towards its customers.

But sometimes (I say sometimes) they have the best offer price, even better than VY or NM ...and still I do prefer IB over VY and NM if I must choose.
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 6):
It is true: IB lately is pretty miser towards its customers.

It's not only IB , many European carriers are doing the same.SK is an example
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:57 pm

Wouldn't Iberia management get into a whole lot of controversy with the unions if they would actually implement a low-cost offspring? After all, this is only thinly veiled outsourcing of IB mainline jobs.
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RE: Iberia News

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:19 pm

I know that IB is planning a CUN operation using Iberworld. Hopefully for a start this year. The Mexicans killed the plan last year.

Expect the BCN low-cost airline to be operational by October.
 
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RE: Iberia News

Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:40 am

Hi TriStar500

The Unions at IB are watching management very closely. At the moment no layoffs have occured and none are planed. IB management has still not decided publicly what it's going to do although buying a stake in a new LCC seems to be the most likely option.

I can asure you that if IB pretends to layoff workers they will have a very hot summer.  fight 
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RE: Iberia News

Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:05 am

How about sorting out the main airline before starting another one?

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RE: Iberia News

Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:26 am

The main airline is at the moment making profits, flying more paps every year and competing very well in a very tough market. We'll se in a few years who is still around. IB has it's problems as do all airlines. As I have said before I prefer an airline which hasn't got the best service in the world to a great airline with a great service who folds. I hope we continue as we are for many years.  box 
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RE: Iberia News

Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 11):
How about sorting out the main airline before starting another one?

Sam

Main airline is doing about fine. Main problem is that we can't compete in point to point routes with LCC's. That's why most routes not feeding pax to Madrid hub will be axed, therefore many BCN flights to Europe will disappear.

These routes will be given to Mediterránea (or whichever name they choose at last) which will be more capable of competing due to its lower costs.

IB won't have more than a 30% of this airline and won't participate in their management, because they want to keep it as a real Lo-Co with their own staff and their own pay rates. It won't participate at least directly, no doubt IB is going to decide some of the routes Med is due to operate.

Quoting Aisak (Reply 5):
Last cr*p I heard is they are not using the IFE in narrow bodies because the screens can get broken because of use and would be expensive to fix them...

That is partially true. IFE has been removed from all short haul operation, but not for mechanical reason. It has been considered that the save in weight, maintenance and buying price is worth it. Therefore, no IFE in short haul and even safety demo made manually. (Big step backwards for FA's)


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RE: Iberia News

Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Icaro (Reply 13):
Therefore, no IFE in short haul and even safety demo made manually. (Big step backwards for FA's)

True. I saw it when I went to BCN 4 weeks ago during T4's 1st day of operations, and I hate to say it but I felt sorry for Iberia. It just looked "cheap" and completely outdated. No IFE at all...not even those dumb candid camera shows, no airshow, no safety video...nothing. The crew was GREAT and the flight was a special one, but the lack of those "normal" things (judging by today's standards) made IB look cheap.

While this happens, many high rank directors spend their time warming a big seat at Velazquez 130 headquarters doing nothing but getting a BIG salary at the end of the month while the rest of the employees work their a$$es off both on the ground and on the air. It's interesting how there are more of those directors in Iberia's staff than aircraft in the fleet.

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 10):
I can asure you that if IB pretends to layoff workers they will have a very hot summer.

Just wait until I come back from my trip to UIO on IB. After that you can set T4 on fire if you want.  Big grin

Oh wait...I have booked flights to AMS on IB as well for the summer season!!  duck 
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RE: Iberia News

Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:44 am

Well, I just saw this one: Nobody mentioned it, I'm surprised:

IB president shows interest in TP:
RTP report (in Portuguese)
http://www.rtp.pt/index.php?article=225874&visual=16

Is this likely to happen or will IB focus on growing on its own?

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