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Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:47 pm

Boeing says it is in talks to sell 17 B787s to two different Russian carriers which are not Aeroflot; fair use excerpt;

By Lyuba Pronina and Bradley Cook
March 3 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world's second-biggest maker of commercial aircraft, is in talks to sell as many as 17 of its new 787 airliners to Russian carriers, not including OAO Aeroflot.

Boeing hopes to sell ``up to'' 15 of the planned model to one Russian airline and two 787s to another, Craig Jones, Boeing's vice president for sales in Russia, told reporters in Moscow today, declining to identify the carriers.


Source: http://www.bloomberg.net

We've all heard that Boeing is still talking to many customers about the 787 but this surprises me a little and leaves me to ask;

1: Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?

2: I was of the impression that Import controls existed to a certain degree which made it harder to buy Foreign Airplanes in which case could these frames be leased instead and already ordered by a Leasing Co?

Finally, if Boeing's VP of sales say's their in talks, I've no doubt Airbus are talking to the same carriers, so nothing's set in stone, so which carriers? any more input would be appreciated.

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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:58 pm

Can we infer anything from this press release about the upcoming Aeroflot announcement?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?

Which Russian carrier could afford 13 brand new widebodied aircraft?
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
1: Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?

Transavia comes to mind. They have half a dozen 767s all of which are quite young. Sibir seems to be the other likely candidate. They're growing fast.

But they aren't the only candidates.
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:00 pm

Two 787s can be more or less every carrier, however I would guess this would be likely Transaero. For the "up to 15" I would consider S7 as a prime candidate, even though I would rather expect them to go for the A350.
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
I was of the impression that Import controls existed to a certain degree which made it harder to buy Foreign Airplanes in which case could these frames be leased instead and already ordered by a Leasing Co?

Whether the airplanes are leased or bought doesn't matter. Russian airlines have to pay import taxes on both. But most Russian carriers have a tendency to lease rather than buy foreign airplanes, so I would agree that a lease is more likely than buying the airplanes.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Which carrier would require "up to 15" 787s?



Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Transavia comes to mind.

I suppose that you mean Transaero. Yes, they're a likely candidate.

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Sibir seems to be the other likely candidate

Plus Pulkovo, whose hometown (Petersburg) is actually one of Europe's biggest cities with more than 5 million inhabitants.
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting RedChili (Reply 4):
I suppose that you mean Transaero. Yes, they're a likely candidate.

Wow! That was a stupid mistake. Thanks for correcting me. Yes, of course, Transaero...  Sad
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1):
Can we infer anything from this press release about the upcoming Aeroflot announcement?

That's a most valid point. They are about to announce their earnings and hopefully, with it, their A350 / B787 decision.

Be very interested to know what routes these carriers would use them on. To me, this is quite an interesting development. Also, as I stated before, I've no doubt that Airbus would be "in talks" too.

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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1):
Which Russian carrier could afford 13 brand new widebodied aircraft?

There is a lot of money in Russia, they are paying of their foreigh dept rapidly.
People in Siberia want to spend their holidays in sunny places. One of the reasons is they export a lot of oil / gas..

At the same time the domestic industry focussed on more profitable militairy projects.

E.g. Krasnojarsk (former high tech weapon industry forbidden city) houses a fast expanding 767 operator, Krasair, could be the one..
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:56 pm

Kras Air is another likely candidate for the 787. I don't think Kras Air has yet operated a non Russian built aircraft. They'll probably order two airframes to start with.

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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:14 pm

What about domodevo?
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:15 pm

Well a few airlines come to mind.
If not Aeroflot then we could first and foremost think of Transaero which already has a bunch of 767's and is taking some more from KLM

Then look at all the IL-86 operators and I'm sure some of those are prime 787 candidates as well. Pulkovo (FV) already parked one of their 86's along with some of their Tu-154B2's. There is now a little graveyard next to the Cargo Terminal. I'll try and shoot some pics next time I drive by there. Since Boeing is making some efforts to get them started with some 735's, who knows what else they want to offer to FV.

I didn't know that Kras air also had 767's. I always see their TU-204's here in LED and they are a joy to see. But they are definately a rapidly growing company, due to their central position.

Domodedovo airlines has always been a strange one to me but they also have a bunch of 86's which sooner or later will be parked, especially with the high fuel costs.

But of course there is also Airbus. Boeing has some advantage since there are more "used" birds on the market and they could be had at cheaper rates then the Airbusses... which is why airlines like Vim and Sibir are flying used Boeing metal. I'm sure that Airbus' sales staff is very active with some creative deals to pursuade some of the airlines to switch side.
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 8):
I don't think Kras Air has yet operated a non Russian built aircraft.

Oops sorry about what I posted. Actually, yes, Kras Air does fly non Russian built aircraft. They have 2 767-200's, EI-GAA and EI-GBA. I just realized that. But still they are a likely candidate for the 787 in the future.

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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1):
Can we infer anything from this press release about the upcoming Aeroflot announcement?

Perhaps, Aeroflot will go for the A350 after all. Then, the other strong carriers in Russia will take the B787.

That would be a great way out of a highly political buying decision and would make Europeans happy.
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:39 am

I think 2 for transaero and the others for Vim since they have a fleet of 15 757's, just a wild guess..

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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
People in Siberia want to spend their holidays in sunny places.

Ya think!
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:31 pm

There are quite a few posibilities...

Sibir
VIM
Domodedovo
Transaero
Kras Air
East Line

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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:14 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 2):

I think you mean TRANSAERO ?
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:24 am

Small remark : Kras Air doesn't exist anymore , since they are called Air Union.

Do not think it's Sibir , since they have said that when the 787s and A350s will be delivered , they will buy on second hand market A330s , to replace their A310s.Did they have changed their plan ??
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting BOEING787 (Reply 16):
I think you mean TRANSAERO ?



Quoting RedChili (Reply 4):
I suppose that you mean Transaero. Yes, they're a likely candidate.



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Wow! That was a stupid mistake. Thanks for correcting me. Yes, of course, Transaero...

It's only a short thread You couldn't read it all?  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Boeing In Talks To Sell 17 787s In Russia

Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 17):
Small remark : Kras Air doesn't exist anymore , since they are called Air Union.

They are still pretty much Kras Air when people refer to them. AirUnion is a merger between Kras Air, Domodedovo Airlines, Omskavia, Samara, and Sibaviatrans. But people still tend to call them different airlines. They still have their respective liveries.

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