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Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:50 am

Well Boeing fans, the new Queen of the Sky's landed in YYZ not too long ago and its AWESOME!!  bouncy 

PIA's 777-200LR is at gate C27 in T3, parked next to her sister a BA 777-300. You can see the differences right away. First off, the engines.....much bigger than the -300. My "GUESS" is about a foot or so. The tail looks larger as well. Looking at her from the front, you can see how much higher it is than the -300. It's taller and fatter, holding an impressively sized crew rest area up in the forward and mid galleys.

I didn't bring my camera today  banghead , but I'm working on the flight on Sunday, I will have plenty of pics to post.

Its nice to see that PIA chose YYZ for its first flight and will continue to do so for their summer sched. Total flight time was about 14.4 hrs, I spoke with the cappy and he said he flew about 70% of the flight...11 hrs or so!!

Anyways, back to the plane I go, just took some time to update you all.

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Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter):
BA 777-300

About that.... BA only flies 772s

Good to see the 772LR in service though.

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Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:55 am

Sorry, my bad.... 777-200ER

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Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter):
parked next to her sister a BA 777-300. You can see the differences right away. First off, the engines.....much bigger than the -300. My "GUESS" is about a foot or so. The tail looks larger as well. Looking at her from the front, you can see how much higher it is than the -300. It's taller and fatter, holding an impressively sized crew rest area up in the forward and mid galleys.

Couple of problems BA don't have any -300s so it should have been a -200, and if so a standard -200 has the same dimensions as a 200LR except for the extra wing span.

But if your looking at the only 200LR I can see why it would look bigger and better. bigthumbsup 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:08 am

None of this can be right, the only physical difference between the -200ER and the -200LR is the raked wingtips, everything else is exactly the same. The fuselage shape and size is identical.

It makes a good story though  Smile
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:22 am

What other airlines, if any (I am sure there are...), have placed an order for the 772ER?
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
What other airlines, if any (I am sure there are...), have placed an order for the 772ER?

Tons of airlines (there's over 500)   

But for the 772LR PK, AC, AI and BR

edited= because instead of AI I put Ac again

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Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
Tons of airlines (there's over 500)

Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...

No offense, but where the hell have you been the past few years? They have 18, and are using them to both Europe and Asia, and have since they acquired them.
 
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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...

Dude, the 772/ER isnt brand new. And not just CO has them. (Off the top of my head) TG,SQ,UA,DL,BA,AF,EK,KQ,MS,RG,Air Austral, MH. Just do a search  Smile
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 8):
No offense, but where the hell have you been the past few years? They have 18, and are using them to both Europe and Asia, and have since they acquired them.

Hey, I've only been on Anet for not even a full week. Gimme a brake! Big grin Other than that, I've been in the books, trying to get thru college... I intend to graduate in May with a BA in environmental geography. As soon as I get out, I hope to be working for a transportation group somewhere or a local planning commission.
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Maybe the daughter of the sky's..... The Queen is over in France  Smile
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter):
I spoke with the cappy and he said he flew about 70% of the flight...11 hrs or so!!

Autopilot? did he monitor 70% or hand fly 70%? its so terrific the 777LR is in service. congrats boeing!!!
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental.

Maybe he means the order CO placed last year in July for (2) additional 772ERs.

Quoting N754PR (Reply 11):
Maybe the daughter of the sky's..... The Queen is over in France

Only thing the Whale jet is queen of is "delays"! Big grin
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
Tons of airlines (there's over 500)

My first post, and it's a correction... don't worry, I'm not always this stickler-ish.

Airplanes, I think, not airlines. I would be thrilled if the 772ER had an order book of 500 airlines!
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 14):
My first post, and it's a correction... don't worry, I'm not always this stickler-ish.

Airplanes, I think, not airlines. I would be thrilled if the 772ER had an order book of 500 airlines!

Welcome aboard! I haven't been around that long myself, not even a full week. I really haven't paid any attention to this stuff until fairly recently.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 13):
Maybe he means the order CO placed last year in July for (2) additional 772ERs.

Yeah, and I have already seen other information that involved Continental Airlines and the 772/ER.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:13 pm

Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 14):
Airplanes, I think, not airlines. I would be thrilled if the 772ER had an order book of 500 airlines!

Yeah Thanks Thats what I meant
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:01 pm

I don't understand why they feel the need for a LR when an ER will do the job perfectly fine? 14.5 hours flight time isn't anywhere close to the maximum range... EWR-HKG is 16 hours.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting Star_world (Reply 4):
the only physical difference between the -200ER and the -200LR is the raked wingtips, everything else is exactly the same.

The engines are different. GE-powered 772ERs use the 85B/90B/94B, while the 772LR uses the 110B. Even though the 110B has a larger fan diameter, it fits within the same nacelle. For spotting purposes, the 110B (and 115B) have forward-swept fan blades, and the inlet cowl anti-ice exhaust exits the nacelle at 5:00 (forward looking aft), compared to 3:00 on the smaller GE90 engines.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:25 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
Now, I know of a US airline that has, or is about to have 772ERs, and that's Continental. They'll use them for EWR-China(Shanghai, providing they get government approval-see "Continental wants Shanghai") I take it that this aircraft will be a "best seller" then...

DL, AA, and UA have had 772ERs for years....
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:26 pm

Hey talking about the engines... Had a nice little visit with the Ge 90 at the Singapore Asian Aerospace 06... check it out!

tell me what you think.. the bloody thing was beautiful and HUUUUUGE!!

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Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter):
The tail looks larger as well

Despite what the others are saying you're right, the tail height is 2.5 inches taller than the -200ER and half an inch taller than the -300ER but how you noticed that on a beast like the 777 is beyond me...  Big grin
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
But for the 772LR PK, AC, AI and BR

Don't forget Emirates
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter):
PIA's 777-200LR is at gate C27 in T3, parked next to her sister a BA 777-300. You can see the differences right away. First off, the engines.....much bigger than the -300. My "GUESS" is about a foot or so. The tail looks larger as well. Looking at her from the front, you can see how much higher it is than the -300. It's taller and fatter, holding an impressively sized crew rest area up in the forward and mid galleys.

Are you certain you are talking about a BA 777? My guess is that the BA plane is a 763ER. That is the only way you could see differences you have seen. The difference between the 772ER and the 772LR can only be seen by the wingtips.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 11):
The Queen is over in France

The Queen needs to work out to lose some weight, because she is fat as a whale.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 13):
Only thing the Whale jet is queen of is "delays"! Big grin

Oh dear.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting Transatguy (Thread starter):
parked next to her sister a BA 777-300.



Quoting B6sea (Reply 1):
About that.... BA only flies 772s

Maybe BA merged with AF andf they already re-painted some of the big Kahunas  biggrin 

Quoting OzGuy (Reply 22):
300ER but how you noticed that on a beast like the 777 is beyond me...

Maybe he had binoculars  biggrin 

Quoting N754PR (Reply 11):
Maybe the daughter of the sky's..... The Queen is over in France

Queen needs a nose job for a fact.
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
Gimme a brake!

Get into your car....you'll see the 'brake' down near your foot Big grin

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 23):
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
But for the 772LR PK, AC, AI and BR

Don't forget Emirates

Almost any new aircraft launched these days and you 'Don't forget Emirates'
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting Star_world (Reply 4):
None of this can be right, the only physical difference between the -200ER and the -200LR is the raked wingtips, everything else is exactly the same. The fuselage shape and size is identical.

Wrong, the -200LR has a larger wingspan (same as -300ER span) and different engines (larger fan diameter) than the -200ER plus the raked wingtips.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 24):
My guess is that the BA plane is a 763ER.

Nope, BA's current LHR-YYZ schedule is 2x daily 777-200ER
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 18):
I don't understand why they feel the need for a LR when an ER will do the job perfectly fine? 14.5 hours flight time isn't anywhere close to the maximum range... EWR-HKG is 16 hours.

Well, apparently PIA does not agree with you. They were making a tech stop in Manchester everytime they flew into YYZ with the 772ER.

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Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:50 am

PIA took out a large ad in The Toronto Star with a photo of the 777 (computer animated model). "Now fly non-stop to Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi with PIA Pakistan International Airways".

I can't wait to see pictures of the plane. The size sounds really really big!



[Edited 2006-03-04 16:58:40]
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 18):
I don't understand why they feel the need for a LR when an ER will do the job perfectly fine? 14.5 hours flight time isn't anywhere close to the maximum range... EWR-HKG is 16 hours

The increased take-off mass of the -LR will allow PIA to carry more payload than with the -ER. Simple as that.

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Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 32):
can't wait to see pictures of the plane. The size sounds really really big!

If you really do mean photos, here they are;


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I am a little dissappointed that PIA hasn't made a bigger deal about all this. As far as I know, even Boeing hasn't listed the LR as delivered yet! I know if I managed an airline that had just purchased the longest range commercial airliner ever, I might want to advertise it... but that's just me.
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Quoting AA777223 (Reply 35):
I am a little dissappointed that PIA hasn't made a bigger deal about all this. As far as I know, even Boeing hasn't listed the LR as delivered yet! I know if I managed an airline that had just purchased the longest range commercial airliner ever, I might want to advertise it... but that's just me

my analysis is that it really depends on the type and status of the company in question. Being from India, i can assure you that be it Air India, Indian Airlines or for that matter, PIA, they will never create a hype about their new toys.
As these companies are basically government run, they dont think the public is interested in the new technology or features. I mean, for example, there is hardly any coverage of AI ordering the 787 or even the 772LR for that matter.

I think it has alot to do with the outlook of the company. They do things just because they have to and not because they wanna reach that high level or status.

On the other hand, look at companies like SIA, they go insane advertising their new machines, they know the average passenger, even though he may be technology illiterate, will feel "good" that he is flying on a first or on something that is new and special.

That is my view of things.
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 35):
I am a little dissappointed that PIA hasn't made a bigger deal about all this.

Nah, this is perfect. When you're taking delivery of one of the baddest planes on the planet, an understated, cavalier attitude is key. The fact that you're flying the first 777-200LR in revenue service is big a deal enough.

It's like having a BMW M5..."yeah, I drive an unassuming 4-door sedan...that'll blow off your doors and chew the rubber off your wheels if you mess with me."

All hail the 77 Big grin
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:19 am

I'm always in the wrong place it seems. Yesterday I was taking pictures of planes landing on 33L when PIA came in on 33R!!!!!
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 18):
I don't understand why they feel the need for a LR when an ER will do the job perfectly fine? 14.5 hours flight time isn't anywhere close to the maximum range... EWR-HKG is 16 hours.



Quoting Raggi (Reply 33):

The increased take-off mass of the -LR will allow PIA to carry more payload than with the -ER. Simple as that.

actually, according to PK, the -200LR gives them a 15-18% cheaper seat cost miles and 20-20% cheaper to operate against its competitors.....

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 31):
Well, apparently PIA does not agree with you. They were making a tech stop in Manchester everytime they flew into YYZ with the 772ER.

actually PK have 5th freedom rights from MAN-Pakistan, and I know people who would only fly YYZ/ORD-MAN.......
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 39):
actually, according to PK, the -200LR gives them a 15-18% cheaper seat cost miles and 20-20% cheaper to operate against its competitors.....

Now that makes more sense. I suppose LR's numbers beat ER's too.
 
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Quoting FiveMileFinal (Reply 37):
It's like having a BMW M5..."yeah, I drive an unassuming 4-door sedan...that'll blow off your doors and chew the rubber off your wheels if you mess with me."

Don't get me wrong... I'm all about understated elegance and class, however, in the interest of marketing, I would think of an airline like PIA, which is not exactly one your average person thinks of when they want to fly long haul, might want to somewhat capitalize on a service introduction. For example. I feel there are two kinds of airlines, airlines that specialize in connections, and airlines that specialize in point to point service. Case in point, British Airways in one that I think connects well. Many americans who want to get places beyond the major cities in europe will fly to london and then connect on British to a destination not served by airlines in the states. Then I think about PIA as the second kind, they have more of a niche market and are not able to attract alot of transfer business. Therefore, I think it might be smart on their part to at least make it known, that they are now able to offer services to that segment of the market, other airlines cannot. It can still be classy and effective. Just because you advertise, doesn't mean you have to do it by sponsoring global circumventing flights, or space travel (who might I be talking about?).
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Quoting AA777223 (Reply 41):
It can still be classy and effective. Just because you advertise, doesn't mean you have to do it by sponsoring global circumventing flights, or space travel (who might I be talking about?)

HAHA.

I hear you, you've got some great points.  Smile I still think PIA's playing it perfectly by keeping it fairly close to the vest...that alone will generate interest, 'cuz it's natural for people to be intrigued by . Besides, there are advantages to being in a niche market, and PIA must not be doing too badly if they can spring for two 772LRs.

I can't wait to fly on one myself, but I suspect it will be a while before an American carrier will buy...
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:16 am

Pics are in the queue and waiting to be screened...  Wink I've asked for priority but dunno if it qualifies.

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 38):
I'm always in the wrong place it seems. Yesterday I was taking pictures of planes landing on 33L when PIA came in on 33R!!!!!

Sorry you missed it John. We'll have lots of opportunities to nab her and in warmer weather all Summer.

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Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 35):
I am a little dissappointed that PIA hasn't made a bigger deal about all this. As far as I know, even Boeing hasn't listed the LR as delivered yet! I know if I managed an airline that had just purchased the longest range commercial airliner ever, I might want to advertise it... but that's just me.

Don't know if advertising the fact that the airline you'd be managing has the longest range commericial airliner might actually be so good. I could see how it may scare some people and avoid using it ... they may think - oh no - 16 hours on a plane, non-stop. Maybe detrimental. Perhaps highlighting non-stop service would be the better option.
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting KBGRbillT (Reply 29):

Wrong, the -200LR has a larger wingspan (same as -300ER span) and different engines (larger fan diameter) than the -200ER plus the raked wingtips.

All versions of the 777 have the same wing dimensions. The only difference is the raked wingtips.

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Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Motopolitico (Reply 25):
The Queen needs to work out to lose some weight, because she is fat as a whale

How else do you fit 555 people onto an aircraft?  headbang 

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 27):
Queen needs a nose job for a fact

I think I agree with you on this one.

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 31):
Well, apparently PIA does not agree with you. They were making a tech stop in Manchester everytime they flew into YYZ with the 772ER

Was it a 'tech stop'? Or was it an extension of a previous MAN service? Any 5th Freedom rights that made a stop in MAN viable?
I dunno but given SQ's MAN-SIN takes 14 hours with a B772ER I don't see why PK couldn't do the same to YYZ
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 44):
I could see how it may scare some people and avoid using it ... they may think - oh no - 16 hours on a plane, non-stop. Maybe detrimental. Perhaps highlighting non-stop service would be the better option.
But that's only my opinion

I see what you are saying, and you make a very good point. However, I think for the most part, people would rather just get where they want to go with as few stops and layovers as possible. I know that's how I am, but I might be an exception. I don't care how long it takes, because i know I'm gonna have the same amount of time on the plane no matter what. I would rather maximize my time at my destination.
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 45):

All versions of the 777 have the same wing dimensions. The only difference is the raked wingtips.

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Actually, the 772LR and 773ER have wingfit extensions of 6.5 feet each... giving the extended-range machines a wingspan of around 212 feet versus the standard -200 and -300's 199 feet (roughly).

Source:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_exterior_general.html
versus
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_exterior_lr.html
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:54 am

I'm pretty sure that's what I said.  Smile

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