zrs70
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OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:25 am

I find this amazing. The TSA can not legally make anyone remove shoes (though they encourage it to speed up the process). At OAK this afternoon, I was wearing rubber shoes. TSA asked if I wanted to remove them. They added that the alternative is to go to secondary. So I decided not to remove them, and the TSA pulled me aside.

The guy who did my secondary was very interesting. He kept on saying, "You are being so cooperative. Most people yell at us for doing all this."

I said to him (with a light hearted laugh), "I'm just standing here, you're doing all the work!"

Anyway, I find it intersting that the punnishment for not removing shoes is secondary, even when the shoes don't set off the detector!
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superhub
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:30 am

This actually happens not only at OAK but at most (if not all) US airports. I believe there are signs around which recommdends you to take off shoes. But in smaller prints, it says that if you don't you are subject to secondary screening.

The following is taken from the TSA website:

TSA Shoe Screening Policy

You are NOT REQUIRED to remove your shoes before you enter the walk-through metal detector. However, TSA screeners may encourage you to remove them before entering the metal detector as many types of footwear will require additional screening even if the metal detector DOES NOT alarm.

[Edited 2006-03-04 00:31:38]
 
star_world
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:32 am

This happens at all US airports at the moment. The words they normally use are "we recommend you take off your shoes to avoid additional screening".

Pointless arguing with them - I've tried it many times!
 
zrs70
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Star_world (Reply 2):
This happens at all US airports at the moment

This week alone, I've flown out of LAX, PHL, OAK, SFO, and IAD. OAK was the only aiport that pulled me to secondary! And I am on the Registered Traveler Program to boot!
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star_world
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 3):
This week alone, I've flown out of LAX, PHL, OAK, SFO, and IAD. OAK was the only aiport that pulled me to secondary! And I am on the Registered Traveler Program to boot!

In any given week I fly through about 5-6 airports in the US also, and without exception I've heard them make the announcement. I guess you're just lucky they haven't noticed before then - nothing more than that. I gave up trying to be clever and cheat the system with these guys quite a while ago... anything for a quieter life!
 
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting Star_world (Reply 4):
I gave up trying to be clever and cheat the system with these guys quite a while ago... anything for a quieter life!

Good idea. There are enough people out there trying to do that already. Some just for kicks, others not so much  Sad
You guys got it down pretty good, if you don't remove them auto secondary right. But sometimes the shoes can also be subject to the discretion of the screener based on certain criteria- which is noted here...

Quoting Superhub (Reply 1):
as many types of footwear will require additional screening even if the metal detector DOES NOT alarm.

Secondary screening isn't for punishment, although sometimes that I'll say "option" to send someone is abused by some NOT all! In the case of shoes, they need to be checked one way or another either through the x-ray or with the explosive trace detector. On the other hand walk-thru's aren't always able to pick up the small amounts of metals the hand-helds are.
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:10 pm

big deal....I flew out of SJC this afternoon and it was the same thing.....not required to take off schools, but one would have to go through additional screening.....the key word here is that they aren't FORCING anyone......which would be against policy...
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:17 pm

Take your f**cking shoes off and stop delaying the rest of us in
line. It's like watching the idiots sound off the metal detector alarm,
and then give an "oops" as they take their keys and change out of
their pocket.

Some of us have flights to catch, and as much as I love airports and
planespottig, I don't have the time to get to the airport hours in advance.
It doesn't take much effort to take off your shoes, and each airport seems
to have their detectors set at different sensitive levels. So your shoes can
make it through one or two with no problem, but go off on the third.
There is no logical equation to it.
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:51 pm

Last Monday AM, flying BOI-PDX, the TSA folks were actually saying "You Do NOT need to remove your shoes". That was a switch over the usual. Must have been targeting other items.
I actually had to hear her yell it again as I couldn't believe that!! Probably a one time only experience. I'll see next week going to Denver.
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RE: OAK: Take Off Shoes Or Else Go To Secondary....

Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:21 pm

I dunno, I figure it's a minute out of my life. I just wanna get where I'm going, and if they want me to take my shoes off before I go through, I'll do it. Blah blah, blah, post-9/11 world, blah blah blah, so on and so forth.

Though I must say I do like the new procedures they've instituted at Heathrow. Everybody was getting the wand and the pat-downs. Works for me.
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