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Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

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Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:42 pm

 eyepopping 

Now I didn't see this coming! Great news indeed!

Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):
737 service to begin in 2006

Any info on where will the 737 come from?

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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:17 pm

Tikal Jets could use 733's (perhaps DL's 733's) on the GUA-LAX/MIA flights. Aviateca used 733's to both cities from GUA before they were absorbed by Grupo Taca and obtained A319's and A320's.
 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:40 pm

awesome! let's hope this materializes. Shame they don't plant to fly their DC-9s.

I have seen a pic of a Tikal DC-9-50 in a very colorful special scheme (unfortunately it was inside a hangar and only the rear was showing). Does Tikal still have this plane painted like this? Anyone knows where I can find a good pic of it?
 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:36 pm

If you read the application, the aircraft planned for the carriers service will be leased from and operated by US air carrier as Guatemala is subject to Category-2 restrictions and cannot add new services until it regains Category-1 status.
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:58 pm

Laxintl...so there lies the question. Who will the US company with 737's be? Miami Air maybe?

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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:25 pm

Miami Air, Sun Country, ATA, Pace, Falcon, Ryan Intl all have 737s and could do such ACMI charter work.
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:58 pm

Well I know they all have 737's. I'm just trying to guess after looking at track reacords. I don't forsee TZ or SY. But we will see!

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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:51 pm

Wow...I didn't see this one coming. Tikal Jets service to MIA seemed like it could happen, but the LAX flight came out of Left field totally. I wish it would have been to SFO, but this is good news both for LAX and for Tikal Jets.

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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:44 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 8):
Wow...I didn't see this one coming.

I heard something about it a couple of weeks ago. A good friend of mine is a pilot in Guatemala and he flies every day to Honduras and El Salvador. He told me that Tikal was about to get additional aircraft in order to serve new destinations and they were thinking about getting 2nd hand 737s or even a couple of Embraer 170s, but there was the "Cat-2" issue that made the US-operated 737s look like the best option.

Btw this friend of mine could be soon applying for Tikal Jets. I hope he gets his chance.
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:41 pm

Really good news for Guatemalan Aviation and Tikal Jets, hope their plans materialize.

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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:44 pm

They used to operate BAC 111, were they scrapped?.

If so, do you have the date.
 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:15 pm

If/when Tikal Jets is able to operate with their own metal to the US, their DC-9-30's/-50's can easily make the trip between GUA and MIA. IB used to fly their DC-9-30's between MIA and GUA.

However, I don't think their DC-9's can make the trip between GUA-LAX. They'll have to use 737-300 equipment.

Back in the day, did Taca fly 737-200's between San Salvador and LAX through MEX?
 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 1):
Any info on where will the 737 come from?

According to a friend of mine that works at Tikal, boeing approached them directly and offered 2 737-700, but then again I don't know if they can lease from boeing.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 3):
Shame they don't plant to fly their DC-9s.

Oh they do plan, but they just can't.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 9):
Btw this friend of mine could be soon applying for Tikal Jets.

He may have a chance, they are loosing pilots and copilots to Eva Air and another one in the middle east, so I guess he just may.
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:59 am

I don't think there any trade restrictions between Guatemala and the US.
 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:26 am

Now we only have to hope for the DOT to grant them the excention. I read the docket and apparently they plan to fly to FLL not MIA.
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:50 am

There was an article about Tikal Jets in Airways or Airlines (can't remember) a few months ago. In this article I read that Tikal Jets couldn't apply for U.S. ops. because Guatemala is only has an FAA Cat. I status. So until GUA made improvements, no airline(s) from Guatemala could fly to the U.S.
 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 3):
I have seen a pic of a Tikal DC-9-50 in a very colorful special scheme (unfortunately it was inside a hangar and only the rear was showing). Does Tikal still have this plane painted like this? Anyone knows where I can find a good pic of it?

Actually, each one of the tails of the three DC-9's is painted in a different way. Check these pics:


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Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 8):
but the LAX flight came out of Left field totally.

I see where it could work... This route relies heavily on VFR traffic, since L.A. is the US city with the highest number of Guatemalan immigrants.

Quoting Aer (Reply 13):
He may have a chance, they are loosing pilots and copilots to Eva Air and another one in the middle east, so I guess he just may.

What about customer service reps?  scratchchin 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 17):
Actually, each one of the tails of the three DC-9's is painted in a different way. Check these pics:

nice  Smile thanks. Maybe I remember the wrong thing but the one I saw had color that went to the fuselage, it was mainly red I think. It was a while ago so memory coudl be playing a trick on me

Those Tikal planes look very clean on the outside, hopefully their well maintained as well. Why can't Guatemala be rated CAT 1 by the FAA?
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Aer (Reply 15):
Now we only have to hope for the DOT to grant them the excention. I read the docket and apparently they plan to fly to FLL not MIA.

Where does it say that? A few years ago they planned to fly to FLL, but the docket is for MIA-GUA frequencies, not FLL-GUA.
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:19 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 18):
Why can't Guatemala be rated CAT 1 by the FAA?

*sigh* Our airport... The current terminal was built in the 60's, and has remained almost the same. The airport is in the middle of the city, with little room for expansion. It has become too small for the traffic it handles; add to it a poor maintenance job and you have the perfect recipe for disaster.

The good news is that GUA is currently undergoing an extreme makeover. The works are supervised by the ICAO, and the first phase of the remodeling is expected to be complete next year. However, I have heard that the airport could be rated CAT 1 only after the second phase is complete (8 more years, I think?) So it will be a long wait... but we never lose our hope.  Smile
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:43 pm

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 16):
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There was an article about Tikal Jets in Airways or Airlines (can't remember) a few months ago. In this article I read that Tikal Jets couldn't apply for U.S. ops. because Guatemala is only has an FAA Cat. I status. So until GUA made improvements, no airline(s) from Guatemala could fly to the U.S.

I screwed this up! I meant to say that Guatemala does NOT have Cat. I status. Not "is only has," bad grammar and proofreading day! Sorry folks!
 
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 17):
What about customer service reps?

No idea on that one but if this goes for real, I might apply for a job there in marketing.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Where does it say that?

Yeah I know but if you go to page 23 it says "The request and approval for the route Guatemala - Fort Lauderdale and viceversa is still pending."

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 20):

You forgot a mayor that doesn't want to see the airport's expansion.
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting Aer (Reply 22):

Yeah I know but if you go to page 23 it says "The request and approval for the route Guatemala - Fort Lauderdale and viceversa is still pending."

That is a seperate request, one that is not related to this docket. A few years ago they did plan on starting FLL-GUA, but it never went through. Now they plan MIA-GUA instead.
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
That is a seperate request, one that is not related to this docket.

Ok, didn't know that.
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 18):
nice thanks. Maybe I remember the wrong thing but the one I saw had color that went to the fuselage, it was mainly red I think. It was a while ago so memory coudl be playing a trick on me

Liveries have recently changed.

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Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:33 pm

Goodnews!
But I'm curious about why MIA and LAX, instead of FLL and ONT??
Both MIA and LAX are "TA territories" and it seems they're well served from GUA by them.
Also UA flies GUA-LAX and AA flies MIA-GUA.
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Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):

It won't be Pace. We just don't have the aircraft. Unless the folks in our sales department haven't talked to me yet?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 26):
But I'm curious about why MIA and LAX, instead of FLL and ONT??

I thought the same thing at frist, but then a friend that lives in Los Angeles told me that LAX would be better than ONT because the later is to far away from downtown LA. But then he told me that FLL would be great, but FLL is equally or more far away from Miami (without LA traffic though). So who knows, I'll try and talk to my friend in Tikal to see which airport will it be for each city.
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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Aer (Reply 28):
LAX would be better than ONT because the later is to far away from downtown LA.

Are there any large number of Guatemalans and Salvadoreans around ONT?
When it comes to traffic between LA and ONT, isn't traffic a bit lighter late evennings when usually the Centralamerican flights arrive/depart Los Angeles?
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 29):

I really have no idea, the only part of LA that I have visited is Pasadena, and on traffic, it's Los Angeles there's always traffic hehehe.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 9):
US-operated 737s look like the best option.

Didnt AeroHonduras and that very very short lived Nicaraguan airline try this before?

Im just saying due to previous experiences this can turn ugly very fast. Its a very big risk for them, since they are somewhat established already. If they dont execute this plan pefectly - everything can crumble.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 31):
Didnt AeroHonduras and that very very short lived Nicaraguan airline try this before?

Yes, but unlike them, Tikal has it's own aircraft at the same time.

So, unlike Aero Honduras and the Nica airline, they will be flying to other destinations (if two unmentioned countries give them the permits) and get revenue from other places instead of loosing all the revenue to the aircraft lease.

In summary all of the Aero Honduras fleet was leased so most of the revenue was lost there. Tikal has it's own DC-9s and is looking to lease the 737s (if they'll lease more than one) for the US opps.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 29):
Are there any large number of Guatemalans and Salvadoreans around ONT?



Quoting Aer (Reply 28):
thought the same thing at frist, but then a friend that lives in Los Angeles told me that LAX would be better than ONT because the later is to far away from downtown LA.

ONT would make sense for TA or an airline with a hub to conect to the rest of the cities in the area as there is enough Central Americans to make up for a flight. Guatemalans are focused in the Pico-Union area of Los Angeles, just west of Downtown. LAX is about 16 miles away, while ONT is 45 miles away.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 31):
Didnt AeroHonduras and that very very short lived Nicaraguan airline try this before?

Yeah. Sansa.... big mistake... They had no clue on how tu run an airline...

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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Aer (Reply 22):
You forgot a mayor that doesn't want to see the airport's expansion.

Ha! Yesterday we were having breakfast in Tecpan when Arzu and his wife came in. It's the second time I meet him at that restaurant, and truth be told, he comes across as friendly and polite; very different from the image he usually projects.

Well, two of my friends stopped him to take a picture with him, and he gladly accepted. Some of the people with us wondered why I hadn't asked for a picture too... Simple answer: between having a picture with the man that is employing all his effort to stop the much-needed works at the airport, and enjoying my scrambled eggs and refried beans before they became cold, it's obvious the breakfast took priority.  Silly

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On a side note, is it me, or there has been absolutely no news about this application here?  crazy 
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 34):
On a side note, is it me, or there has been absolutely no news about this application here?

I think they finally learned, to keep things quiet untill they have something for sure. So I guess they are gonna wait untill they have the leased plane[s] (don't know how many will there be, 1 or 2) and after they get permission from the DOT.
I mean imagine to market it and at the end it doesn't materialize, how embarasing.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 34):
Simple answer: between having a picture with the man that is employing all his effort to stop the much-needed works at the airport, and enjoying my scrambled eggs and refried beans before they became cold, it's obvious the breakfast took priority


Hahahahah, yeah seriously!
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting MGA (Reply 36):
Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 34):
Simple answer: between having a picture with the man that is employing all his effort to stop the much-needed works at the airport, and enjoying my scrambled eggs and refried beans before they became cold, it's obvious the breakfast took priority

Los Cebollines by any chance??

Carmen, did you have breakfast on Paulinos or Katok, I like better Paulinos.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:19 pm

Quoting Aer (Reply 35):
I think they finally learned, to keep things quiet untill they have something for sure.

Good point!  yes  Anyway, hope it is for sure this time.

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 36):
Carmen, did you have breakfast on Paulinos or Katok, I like better Paulinos.

Neither... There's a place called La Cabaña de Don Robert some 5 km after Katok. Nice food, a large field for the kids to play, plus the owner already knows us... Big grin Though I agree, Paulinos is also great.


Now, to keep this food discussion on the aviation side, what kind of meals does WU offer? I've heard they offer free drinks on the short hop GUA-FRS, but I have no idea about the longer flights.

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Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 37):
Now, to keep this food discussion on the aviation side, what kind of meals does WU offer?

My parents flew once on the good-old-we-hope-to-see-it-back-soon GUA-MEX. They had tacos de pollo (Guatemalan tacos) they said that although it was a nice change, they where all soggy.

I tell ya, I miss flying a Guatemalan carrier and getting for breakfast platanos y frijoles, I always got them on Aviateca (the good one with the piramid livery, not the Taca one). BTW do they give Gallo or Brahva???
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Aer (Reply 38):
BTW do they give Gallo or Brahva???

Don't know what they serve, they should serve Gallo, because it is the national beer on a national airline, jiji

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RE: Tikal Jets Applies For GUA-LAX/MIA

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 39):
it is the national beer on a national airline, jiji

jajaja, la Cerveceria should hire you for their ads against Brahva, that would be a good one.
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Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:40 pm

BTW, how long does the DOT take to answer?
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Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting Aer (Reply 41):
BTW, how long does the DOT take to answer?

Four to five months for a new entrant carrier.
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