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Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:22 pm

From a respected inside source. Dont know what series/numbers/when though.

What about "4 engines 4 long haul"?

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:26 pm

Really? I didn't see that coming. To replace their A343s, perhaps?
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:30 pm

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
From a respected inside source. Dont know what series/numbers/when though.

 rotfl 

I love these 'respected inside sources' from Cabin Crew at competing airlines!
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present, so this is a non starter.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present

I thought they had several A-340-500/600s on order?
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:41 pm

It would not surprise me if VS ordered the A350 some time in the future but not right now.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
I thought they had several A-340-500/600s on order?

Just A340-600s. About another dozen or so to be delivered between now and 2008.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
I love these 'respected inside sources' from Cabin Crew at competing airlines!
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present, so this is a non starter.

Dont you just love such Know-F-Alls as this! VS are taking delivery of many a/c over the next few years and all (according to you sir), with no cash to order planes!

Just wait and see before trying to appear clever by putting someone else's input down.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6):
Dont you just love such Know-F-Alls as this! VS are taking delivery of many a/c over the next few years and all (according to you sir), with no cash to order planes!

And all these planes were ordered several years ago! And these very planes are the reason why VS cannot order any more - because they have NO MONEY as they are still paying for the A346's!

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6):
Just wait and see before trying to appear clever by putting someone else's input down.

Okay - will wait and see.  sarcastic 

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:11 pm

Would certainly be in keeping with their plans to consider GLA and BFS from 2007- with their shorter runways- the A350 would be ideal.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
What about "4 engines 4 long haul"

that was/is a marketing gimmick. if they do go for the A350, itll be dropped like a hot potato. and i doubt v many ppl (with the exception of those on here!) will notice. and even if they do, i doubt itll matter one jot a few yrs down the line.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:32 pm

Kinda strange that would just be a smack in the face to their current slogan, but you never know!

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:34 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 10):
that would just be a smack in the face to their current slogan

but its just that, a slogan. i doubt VS would let it get in their way IF the A350 would help them increase profitability.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:36 pm

I'll beleive it when I see it  Smile

I think VS would be more intrested in the A340E/748  Smile

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:40 pm

If (IF!) it were to happen, might VS be the launch customer for the Trent 1700 on the A350?
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 12):
I think VS would be more intrested in the A340E/748

How many A380s do they have on order? I agree the A340E is an aircraft that VS may want later on but for an A340-300 replacement the A350 would be great and would work well with the A340-600 and A380. I would like to see VS order a twin like the 787 or A350. We will just have to wait a while.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:40 am

If this is so... I think VS will 'indirectly' publicly admit to the A346 order blunder. I guess the cost of fuel is eating profits. I personally believe VS ordering a long haul twin is more logical than many people think on here. VS will eat their pride up and order a large twin eventually. The A343A346 was a mistake and now they are feeling the pain for it. A savings of 5-10% on a fuel bill for an airline such as VS is a HUGE profit loss.

Conclusion... a TWIN at VS is a matter of when and not if...

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:56 am

Can we know a little more about this inside source? For all we know, this post could have just been put here as flamebait to see how a.nutters would respond to such a prospect.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 7):
And all these planes were ordered several years ago!

Well, just last year (IIRC jan '05) they exercised their options on 10 a346's and placed another 10 options. So technically of course it was an order from a couple of years ago, they did add aircraft just last year.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 14):
A340-300 replacement the A350 would be great and would work well with the A340-600 and A380

Agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if they were the Trent 1700 launch customer, with SRB's "buy British" attitude of late. And I suppose the a359 would be a great fuel-saver compared to the a343.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 15):
The A343A346 was a mistake and now they are feeling the pain for it.

I think that the A340 was a good aircraft for VS and that's why they ordered them. It's only in the past few years that we have seen the "twin era" take over and with both Boeing and Airbus offering the 787 and A350 it's time VS started thinking of both those aircraft but I am not saying they will not be interested in the A340E.  Smile
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:03 am

would virgin be able to convert their A340-600s to A350 orders? Airbus is probably despirate to shift a few more A350s, particularly to a well known airline. Also with them talking about subsidising A340 operators to offset the fuel burn difference between the 777, perhaps it would be in airbus' best intrests to get Virgin to switch to the A350...?
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:23 am

Trying not to turn this into a Boeing vs Airbus thread. If as mentioned the A346 is not the correct plane for VS, wouldn't they want to consider ordering a replacement they could be operating before 2010? Perhaps the 773ER? Just a thought. If they are not in a rush to replace the A343 or A346 then the A350 makes sense because of their experience operating Airbus aircraft.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 20):
wouldn't they want to consider ordering a replacement they could be operating before 2010?

I don't think they are in that much of a rush but if they were they might think about the 777 again but I think they would stick to Airbus in the long term.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:33 am

I don't see how switching exisiting orders for A346 to A359 could make sense just for the sake of having a twin rather than a quad. Both aircraft are designed for fundamentally different missions playing in different market segments and are rather complementary, as much as the 777-300ER is complementary to the 777-200ER right now and to the 787-9/10 in the future. Those are not substitutes.

Some people here sound like the difference between a 773ER and the A346 is as big as between a 787 and a DC-8 in economical terms, which is not the case. There are differences, but they hardly justify dumping the A346 for most operators and this likely includes VS. My best guess is they will operate the A359 and A346 alongside each other, with the A359 replacing their aging fleet of A343s (the remaining early 257t -311s in particular) on routes that currently don't justify the A346 and won't do so in the future. Keep in mind the A346 is close to a 742, capacity-wise.

They might also be interested in getting a revised A340-600E in the future. Most likely they will choose the Trent for A350 as well, and I guess there is nothing wrong with SRB's "buy British" attitude. I don't know how and why, but I always thought VS feels much more British than BA and that's why I like them.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 17):
And I suppose the a359 would be a great fuel-saver compared to the a343.

Anything but a DC9 would be a fuel-saver compared to the A343  duck 

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 20):
Perhaps the 773ER? Just a thought.

I doubt it although that would make sense. Airbus have been taking SRB to bed too much.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 22):
My best guess is they will operate the A359 and A346 alongside each other, with the A359 replacing their aging fleet of A343s

That is exactly what they should do. VS want the size of the A340-600 and replacing them with A350s would be silly for such a successful airline. So in the future I can see the A340-600, A340E and A350-900 all flying together for VS.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:47 am

The rumour I've heard is B773s not A350s and no A380s.

The A350 is delayed according to flight because it's getting the full A380 style flightdeck and not the current flightdeck

[Edited 2006-03-05 17:49:16]
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present, so this is a non starter.

And what makes you such an expert?
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:07 am

Obviously, their previous attachment to 4 engines not withstanding, I understand that the 787 may be less desirable to VS due to:

-lack of 787 production slots
-an established relationship with Airbus and commonality to it's other A/C
-aggressive pricing by Airbus

However, I also understand that the 787 may be economically more desirable over the long term because of:

-more cabin width and the option of that extra seat
-more extensive use of weight saving composites
-not a derivative design

But there have been healthy orders for the 350 so I would like to understand the reasoning, if I am missing anything.

I don't want to start an A vs B war, but I am interested in the technical or economical advantages or disadvantages of each type, beyond what I have outlined. Are there also political pressures, VS being a British company?

Can anyone briefly outline both A/C's strong or weak points for me, or indicate that the points I bring up are not entirely correct? I understand that performance and economic stats are only projections or claims at this point.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 26):
And what makes you such an expert?

What makes you so damn sure Im not? Big grin

Anyway, I never suggested that I'm an expert? All you need to do is read tthread regarding VS orders in the past, and the VS 772LR thread. It doesn't take a genius to work out a carrier such as VS doesnt have the financial clout to convert orders for up to 18 new aircraft (A346) and then introduce a brand new type to their fleet!

Thats coupled with having senior management colleagues who actually work with VS, and my own contacts within Industry Relations and Commercial departments at my own employer.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 27):
Are there also political pressures, VS being a British company?

No none, as SRB holds the majority VS shares and they don't have history of being state owned.

There are British companies that have contracts on the 787.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:11 am

"I think VS will 'indirectly' publicly admit to the A346 order blunder."

"The A343A346 was a mistake and now they are feeling the pain for it."


Where is all this coming from?  laughing 

The A340 is still a very capable aircraft. Not as 'good' as the 773ER, but it's still capable of making a lot of money. Especially considering the amount of cargo VS are getting in them at the minute. It's not going to bankrupt the airline, so talk of 'blundrers' and 'mistakes' is rather.... well, dramatic.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
I love these 'respected inside sources' from Cabin Crew at competing airlines!
VS havent got the cash to order aircraft at present, so this is a non starter.

Give the poster a break. At least he qualified the thread saying that it was a rumor, and is looking for more information.

I just have a "feeling" that VS would side with Airbus instead of Boeing. Given SRB immense wealth one never knows what sort of stake or investments he has made in EADS or BAE. Perhapse he is a large investor, in which case he'd automatically go with Airbus over Boeing. I don't think we'll ever know.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
I thought they had several A-340-500/600s on order?

Some on this thread had mentioned a possible switch from 345/6 to 350. Entirely possible I'd say.

The 359 and 345 are pretty similar in size and pax capacity with the 345 winning out on range. It might make sense to use 359's instead of 345's on some of the non-ULR routes.

IMO, I can't see VS going for the 358.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting Iwok (Reply 31):
instead of 345's on some of the non-ULR routes

I did not know they had A345's on order. I thought they were all A346's?
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 6):
Dont you just love such Know-F-Alls as this! VS are taking delivery of many a/c over the next few years and all (according to you sir), with no cash to order planes!

Do you really need cash to order planes? US and NW recently did it. It's just a matter of making the monthly payment once you get them, not to pay cash up front.

Quoting Glom (Reply 16):
Can we know a little more about this inside source? For all we know, this post could have just been put here as flame-bait to see how a.nutters would respond to such a prospect.

It is still interesting to discuss, true or not. Even press releases aren't true some of the time. Indian A vs B, China A vs B. Look at all the off-the-wall threads that are just "what ifs?" that get lots of replies and discussion.

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 19):
A340 operators to offset the fuel burn difference between the 777, perhaps it would be in airbus' best interest to get Virgin to switch to the A350...?

Since the orders were made several years ago, are they able to participate in this incentive? Was it retroactive to past orders?

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 7):
they have NO MONEY

The Virgin Group along with Singapore have no problems getting money.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 15):
The A343A346 was a mistake and now they are feeling the pain for it.

That's crap. An A350 order would replace aging 343s with new generation aircraft, which makes sense at this time. The A340-600 has nothing to do with it, since as far as I know they're not ordering 777-300ERs and there is no twin in the same size class.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 32):
I did not know they had A345's on order. I thought they were all A346's?

you might be right about that; my error  footinmouth . Still, the 359 would be a great 343 replacement..

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Iwok (Reply 35):
Still, the 359 would be a great 343 replacement..

I agree. It would work so well along side the A340s and A380s. But I think it will be a while before we see an order for the A350 maybe after all the A340s have been delivered. Remember it is still a rumour. Big grin
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Crewrest (Reply 25):
The rumour I've heard is B773s not A350s and no A380s.

What? They have 8 whalejets on order and some options so your rumor is wrong.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 32):
I did not know they had A345's on order. I thought they were all A346's?

They don't. They only have A346's on order.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Iwok (Reply 35):
Still, the 359 would be a great 343 replacement..

And this is probably the crux of it. A simple aircraft refresh of an airframe that is due for replacement. Nothing wrong with the A343, its just that long haul aircraft are refreshed sooner than single isle aircraft. The economics simply favor an earlier refresh when fuel burn and payload changes improve the economics enough to justify paying for new airframes. VS could probably get some sweet financing as a known launch customer on the A359. Just a thought...

As to people posting rumors... I'm happy they share the information as long, as in this post, its clearly noted to be from a rumor source.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:05 am

Don't also forget that SQ owns the other 49% so their order coming up hopefully this month will say a lot. I would like to think they have some influence as far as fleet goes. Just my  twocents 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 23):
Anything but a DC9 would be a fuel-saver compared to the A343

Well, of course the DC9 uses a lot less fuel than a a343 per trip  Wink

This would be an awesome order for Airbus, and those a343's need replacing. Also seeing that the first a359 would not be delivered before around 2011, especially if they would be RR-powered, it's not such a ridiculous idea. After all, the a343 and a359 are in the same class, and the a359 must have a significant advantage in fuel burn.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 15):
If this is so... I think VS will indirectly publicly admit to the A346 order blunder.

No they don't

The A350 will replace the older A340-300's and has nothing to do with the A346.

I thought Virgin has grown to a big airliner. How would they be able to do so if the Airbus was such a mistake?
Although there are other airplanes out there, that perform better, the A340 can still make money, when they are used right!

Otherwise I see a bad, bad bad future for all these poor, poor Airbus operators..

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
What about "4 engines 4 long haul"?

They will come up with something, and it will not go quiet here in this forum Big grin.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 39):
Don't also forget that SQ owns the other 49% so their order coming up hopefully this month will say a lot. I would like to think they have some influence as far as fleet goes.

it would be cool to see VS operate the T7. but when they last ordered the 346, they did say they had evaluated the T7 carefully and the costs of intrducing into the fleet out-weighed its benefits. i think they will stick with airbus IMO. and i doubt SQ would influence them too heavily either way; they arent entirely in boeings pockets, and im dont think theyd market the T7 for them somehow. its in SQs interest for VS to get the best aeroplane econmically, rather than what fits in with SQs fleet - they are too seperate companies, after all.
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 34):
An A350 order would replace aging 343s with new generation aircraft, which makes sense at this time. The A340-600 has nothing to do with it, since as far as I know they're not ordering 777-300ERs

VS dropped 773ER for more A346 to avoid ETOPS, possibly RR engines but most of all to firm their strategy of '4 engines 4 longhaul'. If they were concerned about profit they would have NOT gone with the A346. We all know who is the more efficient jet.

They didn't want a twin then about 2 years ago or so... so what has changed today to go with the A359? Why? because it's an A343 replacement? That is crap... what has changed is the 60-plus per gallon fuel bill. If they knew their fuel bills would get to be this high they would have opted for the 773ER.

So, if they do go for A359 it's not because of they have to replace their A343's. But it has everything to do with having efficient jets in a day were oil prices continue to be volatile and it happens to be the A343 that needs replacing. In essence, their A346 order was a disaster that they have to live with for the next 10-20 years!

Sorry dude but the twin strategy is not an option any more but more of a necessity. Again, 5% savings on a VS's or any large airline's fuel bill is lot of lost profit for its shareholders.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 43):

I don't think it's fair to crap on 4 engine birds like that. VS went with Airbus YES because of the 4 engine thing, but at that time perhaps Airbus offered more generous financing, better mx, larger discounts, were just a better sales team, gave concessions on future orders etc. We will never know exactly why, but I think it is unfair to say that VS made a stupid mistake. Not every airline has dumped their A346's and gone to 77W's- South African, Emirates, Thai, Lufthansa, Iberia, Qatar, Air China (?). Obviously other factors played on their minds when purchasing the A346 and making follow up order for them. I agree that the 77W may be a superior a/c, but perhaps 2 years ago the difference in capabilities wasn't as pronounced as today.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 43):
VS dropped 773ER for more A346 to avoid ETOPS,

On what routes, exactly?

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 43):

So, if they do go for A359 it's not because of they have to replace their A343's. But it has everything to do with having efficient jets in a day were oil prices continue to be volatile and it happens to be the A343 that needs replacing. In essence, their A346 order was a disaster that they have to live with for the next 10-20 years!

Nothing about this paragraph makes any sense. I know what each of the words mean, but its like they're written in some code that I don't understand.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 44):
I don't think it's fair to crap on 4 engine birds like that. VS went with Airbus YES because of the 4 engine thing, but at that time perhaps Airbus offered more generous financing, better mx, larger discounts, were just a better sales team, gave concessions on future orders etc. We will never know exactly why, but I think it is unfair to say that VS made a stupid mistake.

Fair or not, the bottom line remains that '4 engines for long haul' also means '4 engines and you're screwed', especially if you could have done it with 2 engines. VS ordered the A346 before oil hit $60 a barrell and I bet if they knew oil prices would go nuts so soon, they probably would have gone another route as far as their fleet goes.
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 28):
Thats coupled with having senior management colleagues who actually work with VS, and my own contacts within Industry Relations and Commercial departments at my own employer.

In that case I'll defer to your better knowledge!
 
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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:28 am

Whilst many of you are quick to rubbish this claim, (and I might have done so myself a while back) I find it quite interesting because I have heard the same thing from someone in their Aircraft Acquisitions department.

However, "order imminent" is a bit tabloid. They have been studying the economic feasibility of the 350 for several reasons. They say they need a "route opener/developer" so they can start more new routes. For example at the moment the Bahamas are only 1x a week because the 747 is too big. It does have superb seat mile costs when they pack it but it is hard to open new routes where it will take time to build up loads and hence growth is constrained. As a short term measure they expect to be basing some "bucket n spade" configured 346s at Gatwick within the next year or two (less J, more W and Y seats). With the 350 they could open up new routes from both LHR, LGW, MAN and other airports without suffering poor load factors, or being forced to keep frequency low.

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RE: Rumour: Virgin Atlantic A350 Order Imminent.

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 43):
If they were concerned about profit they would have NOT gone with the A346. We all know who is the more efficient jet.

yes but if you already have a number of A346s, introducing a new type, the 777, and one which would require flight crew who could not be cross qualified on the A343/6 is a substantial cost which may negate any fuel efficiencies the 77W may have over the A346. there are many factors whic may make one airline see the numbers being crunched produce a result quite different from another ailrine with diffeent route structure and legacy expenses..